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Post by steinosjockstrap on Jan 9, 2017 17:37:43 GMT
Has anyone considered that Crouchie might be the perfect mentor for Ngoy? Been there and done it,just think of the experience he could pass on.
Don't think of it as in competition.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2017 17:38:07 GMT
We're waiting for somebody with a proven goalscoring record in this league. Somebody who has all the attributes to lead the line as a sole front man. Somebody who is strong and powerful and knows where the net is. Somebody like Bony.... Bony is a mystery - but there's not going to be a happy ending on that one and must be 99% certain we've seen the last of him. 27 goals in a season for Swansea and 53 in 53 for Vitesse Arnhem, just turned 28 and yet the prospect of his early departure meets barely a shoulder shrug. So we're left with a 36-year-old, Jonny Walters and a bloke he plays at right-back. I think that does qualify as a crisis in Premier League terms. When is Walters' contract up? It's the same as this isn't it? So next season Crouch and Walters will still be here. I just think that's depressing. I love Crouchy but there's no way he should be given a new deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:39:48 GMT
I've no problem with this as long as he dunna start. He's fine to come off the bench when we need something different.
However that's got to be it and Walters needs to be let go at the end of his contract. There's no merits in keeping both.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 9, 2017 17:40:03 GMT
He's good for a different option but he shouldn't be 1st choice leading the line.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:41:14 GMT
37 years old next season and our squad is getting older and older....every day too! And so is everyone else's based on that logic!!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 9, 2017 17:43:48 GMT
He shouldn't be anywhere near a Plan A - but as a Plan B, he's still okay for little cameos as the 3rd or 4th striker in the pool. As it is, he's far, far too close to Plan A - and that's unforgivable. We should be straining every sinew to get a proper striker in over the next 3 weeks. Christ only knows what we're waiting for I will be amazed if we sign a striker in Jan, you pay a premium anyway and Jan that will be even higher!!. Maybe a loan but looks like Chelsea lad is off to Swansea. Strikers in Jan are so hard to find. No one wants to sell, look at Defoe at Sunderland! Yeah, true. There's always the argument about the January premium and all that. But we are really pretty desperate. Hogan at Brentford seems to be the flavour of the month. No idea if he's good enough, but 21 in 27 in the Championship is impressive. There must be someone out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:45:36 GMT
Isn't he our highest scoring forward in all competitions this season, with 5?
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Post by redstriper on Jan 9, 2017 17:46:21 GMT
He offers us a plan B, and its a plan b which a lot of teams struggle to cope with.
good management.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 9, 2017 17:46:24 GMT
Isn't he our highest scoring forward in all competitions this season, with 5? Worrying if true.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 9, 2017 17:46:32 GMT
Unless football becomes like netball and you have to stand still once you receive the ball, our ageing, slow, cumbersome forward line will be a significant disadvantage to our playing anything like flowing attacking football. This new contract does nothing to change that and will only help to perpetuate our current problems.
"Great lad, good years of service, thanks for everything, but there's the door" should have been the message come the summer!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:46:35 GMT
Isn't he our highest scoring forward in all competitions this season, with 5? Joe Allen surely? EDIT Both got 5, Allen shades it though as 3 weren't against Stevenage....
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 9, 2017 17:46:47 GMT
He offers us a plan B, and its a plan b which a lot of teams struggle to cope with. good management. Apart from Wolves B team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:47:03 GMT
I will be amazed if we sign a striker in Jan, you pay a premium anyway and Jan that will be even higher!!. Maybe a loan but looks like Chelsea lad is off to Swansea. Strikers in Jan are so hard to find. No one wants to sell, look at Defoe at Sunderland! Yeah, true. There's always the argument about the January premium and all that. But we are really pretty desperate. Hogan at Brentford seems to be the flavour of the month. No idea if he's good enough, but 21 in 27 in the Championship is impressive. There must be someone out there. I agree. Needs must. If we have to pay over the odds so be it. You can guarantee it'll someone on loan we've never heard of. Oh for a Beattie and Etherington.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 9, 2017 17:47:48 GMT
Hopefully it'll make more sense by the end of the window. I agree it shouldn't mean he's the plan/focus/starter. Still happy for him to be back up.
Perhaps this just secures some residual value him as an asset. Rather than running the contract down to the summer. Any interest will now have to contain a reasonable fee, either in this window or summer.
Could be a bit of business savvy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:48:16 GMT
I like Crouch but what the hell are the club playing at by signing him up till 2018 ?
What is Hughes trying to do ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 17:48:25 GMT
Isn't he our highest scoring forward in all competitions this season, with 5? Joe Allen surely? EDIT Both got 5, Aallen shades it though as 3 weren't against Stevenage.... I said forward, not midfielder hammered into the number 10 position because I haven't got a clue what to do with him.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 9, 2017 17:49:04 GMT
We still haven't replaced Big John Ritchie!
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Post by liamo on Jan 9, 2017 17:50:38 GMT
Don't mind Crouchy staying longer but we have to sign a fast striker that can score, we're on our knees in that regard, anything less will be a huge failure
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2017 17:52:43 GMT
Don't mind Crouchy staying longer but we have to sign a fast striker that can score, we're on our knees in that regard, anything less will be a huge failure Surely we should be ripping apart the striking department? We have 2 of Dads Army signed up until 2018 now. It hampers that massively.
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Post by redstriper on Jan 9, 2017 17:54:29 GMT
He offers us a plan B, and its a plan b which a lot of teams struggle to cope with. good management. Apart from Wolves B team. Plan A should have dealt with Wolves. He isn't the answer every time, that's why its a plan B. Congratulations to the lad, model pro, decent human, positive attitude, sense of humour, and still something to offer footballing wise.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 9, 2017 17:55:33 GMT
Just as I was getting over Saturday's depression this news comes along to push me deeper into the depths of my mind.
What a joke this club is becoming.
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Post by liamo on Jan 9, 2017 17:55:55 GMT
Don't mind Crouchy staying longer but we have to sign a fast striker that can score, we're on our knees in that regard, anything less will be a huge failure Surely we should be ripping apart the striking department? We have 2 of Dads Army signed up until 2018 now. It hampers that massively. Honestly i don't trust Hughes to bring any decent striker in, at least if we tie Crouch down he offers something
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2017 17:57:43 GMT
That's decent business on our part. He still has plenty to offer over the next couple of seasons and can do a job when required. I would be concerned if this is with a view to him being our number one striker, but that's clearly not the case. He offers a good alternative option, proven at this level with bags of experience and he's also a decent guy to have around the club. Would be very difficult to replace his skill set without spending some serious coin, so makes sense to keep him here while he's still capable of doing a job for us.
With that said, we still need a first-choice striker to spearhead the team. Bony hasn't worked and doesn't look like he can cut the mustard, and Hughes clearly doesn't see Diouf as a viable option. Our next move needs to be the right one, or the pressure on Hughes will keep building.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 9, 2017 17:57:57 GMT
I don't think he is any different with age TBH just need to use him properly and he is an asset but needs decent service and not 20 minute build up moves that just allow defenders time to get right to him also a quick nippy partner that he never seems to get here
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 9, 2017 17:59:12 GMT
Apart from Wolves B team. Plan A should have dealt with Wolves. He isn't the answer every time, that's why its a plan B. Congratulations to the lad, model pro, decent human, positive attitude, sense of humour, and still something to offer footballing wise. The worry is he is part of plan A
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Post by nott1 on Jan 9, 2017 18:00:09 GMT
Actually we don't have a striker in the squad at all i.e somebody who scores on a regular basis!
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Post by kustokie on Jan 9, 2017 18:01:07 GMT
This just means Crouchie knows he has a pay check for the next 18 months (how many of us can say that?). It doesn't mean Stoke have to keep him until then - they just have to pay him off if they want to sell him.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 9, 2017 18:01:34 GMT
Don't have a problem with Crouch, he could be a good influence and has never relied on pace. See him more and more in a sub role and hopefully not a regular starter. I can think of others I would rather see leave ahead of Crouch
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2017 18:03:18 GMT
Our whole problem on the pitch is that we're too slow and people are happy. This club.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 9, 2017 18:03:29 GMT
As long as we sign another striker this doesn't bother me in the slightest but if we don't and we're pinning our hopes on Crouch and Walters then Hughes wants fucking He shouldn't be anywhere near a Plan A - but as a Plan B, he's still okay for little cameos as the 3rd or 4th striker in the pool. As it is, he's far, far too close to Plan A - and that's unforgivable. We should be straining every sinew to get a proper striker in over the next 3 weeks. Christ only knows what we're waiting for There has to be games across the season where he is plan a, b or c. A great squad member who can do a job when needed. You can't underestimate his value to the club off the pitch either
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