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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 19:25:01 GMT
You don't understand the EU and how it works then in comparison to our LESS democratic political system Thanks for your presumptions. As it goes, I'd like to see PR introduced, the abolition of the Lords, and hopefully, once Liz leaves this mortal coil, the end of the monarchy. The difference between the UK and the EU being, that I can make my voice on these issues heard. I know where my MP's office is, and I know that the the Commons is actually a legislative body worthy of the name. Wouldn't losing our monarchy make us a weaker country. Aren't they part of the attraction to the uk for business and tourism? I think more often than not the monarchy are just another stick to beat London with.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 6, 2016 19:33:39 GMT
Why should you have a working knowledge about parliamentary procedure to have an opinion of whether we stay in Europe or leave? The arrogance of the self appointed Remainer intelligentsia is staggering. Nothing to do with arrogance matey...just an understanding of Parliamentary procedure. Still impressed with Red Jezza's principles SIR ?, threatening to block article 50 in a pact with anti Brexit tory MP's, lying spineless Marxist hypocrite perhaps man of principle my arse, you really could not make this up a true man of the people
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Post by Northy on Nov 7, 2016 9:45:32 GMT
Piss off dickhead, time for you to make some sense and I might take you seriously, otherwise leave the thread for people who can Funny that you say fuck all to crapslinger innit, hypocritical twat Someone can't take their ale methinks Just another one of the **************'s appearing
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 7, 2016 10:00:21 GMT
Someone can't take their ale methinks Just another one of the **************'s appearing He's pretty much crapslinger that got out of the left side of the political bed. It could be a fair old meeting of minds if they lock horns!
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 7, 2016 10:46:28 GMT
TBF ..i voted leave but agree that it should go through our parliament ..the judges made the right call as a point of law. We are not a dictatorship... we will leave that to the EU. We wanted to take back control and that is democracy via elected people. No problem to me that it goes through parliament which it will..we will leave . I don't agree the government taking it to the supreme court..they will fail and cost taxpayers more money and possibly delay the invoking of Article 50 themselves.. get it thru the Houses and get on with it after its passed. End of.
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Post by ihaveadream on Nov 7, 2016 13:19:44 GMT
Over half the population who could be arsed to vote. Better Maybe these mard arsed remainiacs should be turning their anger on the idle fcukers who could not be arsed to vote, maybe if they had bothered along with the other 70% of us they might have tipped the balance in favour of remain, fact is they did not hence remain lost Brexit supporters carried the day all democratically of course . I cannot speak for all Remainers but I have always been primarily annoyed about the people who did not turn up to vote. Btw 1. We are Remainers not Remainiacs. We don't go round calling you lot Brickshitters. 2. Some of the strops you throw on referendum posts makes you one of the biggest mardarses on the board.
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Post by ihaveadream on Nov 7, 2016 13:31:35 GMT
The Lisbon treaty was forced upon us by Bliar and Co. we had no say in a treaty that waived to many of our own constitutional rights, he reneged on a promise of an EU referendum thus serving the UK one huge shit sandwich, the failure of the EU to make any meaningful concessions to Dodgy Dave tipped the balance, we have voted to regain our sovereignty our right as an independent nation to control our laws our borders and our future, we are a part of Europe we are not owned by Europe simple. Was it brown who signed it? I seemed to remeber a headline on the front of the sun saying we had been forced to join the EU as his final goodbye before the general election. Also, before i get accused of being a thick sun reader, i was doing my paper round at the time.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 7, 2016 14:00:48 GMT
No....we don't know which Creek yet, the size of it, the depth of it and whether we've even got a paddle. You said it. Dry your eyes mate, there will be plenty who will man the oars whatever creek we navigate, the rest can watch and moan and moan and moan and moan, try being a little magnanimous in defeat, mard arsed losers. Priceless - carps lecturing others on magnanimity - the man who probably thinks empathy is a lower league footballer
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 7, 2016 14:23:32 GMT
TBF ..i voted leave but agree that it should go through our parliament ..the judges made the right call as a point of law. We are not a dictatorship... we will leave that to the EU. We wanted to take back control and that is democracy via elected people. No problem to me that it goes through parliament which it will..we will leave . I don't agree the government taking it to the supreme court..they will fail and cost taxpayers more money and possibly delay the invoking of Article 50 themselves.. get it thru the Houses and get on with it after its passed. End of. True, it would also be interesting to see if the MPs vote as per the results of their constituency regardless of their own personal views. Based on the referendum the results would be: MPs vote to remain: 119 MPs vote to leave: 263 Therefore Article 50 will be triggered regardless. It is interesting to note that all of Scotland's constituents voted in favour to remain... fueling the SNP's argument. It is also interesting to see the results to remain were also reflected within the big metropolis areas such as Central London (obviously), Newcastle, Bristol and Manchester so it is easy to see where they concentrated their tactics. Birmingham and its surrounding constituencies voted leave so that may have put a spanner in the works in the original planning by the remain camp.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 14:46:00 GMT
Someone can't take their ale methinks Just another one of the **************'s appearing Indeed he must have been detained for the past couple of days, maybe fixing his tardis or a weekend away in Thailand , however he is back barking out his bullshit woof woof ************** are you looking for your master ALF, he's been quite as well since Corbyn threatened to block article 50.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 7, 2016 15:40:03 GMT
TBF ..i voted leave but agree that it should go through our parliament ..the judges made the right call as a point of law. We are not a dictatorship... we will leave that to the EU. We wanted to take back control and that is democracy via elected people. No problem to me that it goes through parliament which it will..we will leave . I don't agree the government taking it to the supreme court..they will fail and cost taxpayers more money and possibly delay the invoking of Article 50 themselves.. get it thru the Houses and get on with it after its passed. End of. True, it would also be interesting to see if the MPs vote as per the results of their constituency regardless of their own personal views. Based on the referendum the results would be: MPs vote to remain: 119 MPs vote to leave: 263 Therefore Article 50 will be triggered regardless. It is interesting to note that all of Scotland's constituents voted in favour to remain... fueling the SNP's argument. It is also interesting to see the results to remain were also reflected within the big metropolis areas such as Central London (obviously), Newcastle, Bristol and Manchester so it is easy to see where they concentrated their tactics. Birmingham and its surrounding constituencies voted leave so that may have put a spanner in the works in the original planning by the remain camp. In terms of Scotland..not quite all as 37% voted to leave.... Jimmy Krankie arguing that they want to remain is laughable given that at the Scottish Referendum they wanted to leave the UK whuch meant they would be out of the EU? Arguing they get £750m from the EU yet wanting to leave the UK from who they get £1.8billion sums her up. she is desperate to go into the history books as the minister that got Scottish independence and thereby royally fucking the Scottish people. Do you think that the 18 destroyers due to be built on Clydeside will stay there if they do ever vote to leave the UK...no chance.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 7, 2016 15:59:10 GMT
The Judges haven't voted to overturn the referendum result though have they? This is the line of the foriegn billionaire owners of The Daily Mail..The Sun..The Daily Express. What the decision means is that Parliament must debate Article 50 instead of just The Conservative Party ( ie The Government) pushing it through without any opposition to what the Tories decide. That's the primary reason why these papers are slating the judges. These rags have politicised the debate. The Judges are debating points of Law. (1) But Liz Truss is shit scared.of Murdoch. Conrad Black. Lord Rothermere. Extremely wealthy and powerful Press Barons that have their own agendas Just because you voted Brexit doesn't mean you support the Conservative Party' I don't and I voted Brexit (And just for the record I wouldnt vote Labour either) (1) Referendum results in the UK are not legally binding. The UK has no written constitution. Advise me of last time a referendum went throught this? It's because - despite all the lies, all the propaganda, all the luvvies, all the insults, all the bullying, all the uneven coverage, all the corporations and all the banks - they didn't get the vote they anticipated. Thinking people knew, before it even took place, that it would be an establishment stitch-up, (just like they knew before the Iraq War), and every single thing that has happened has proven this hunch correct. Apart from the actual result which completely undermines your Conspiracy Theory argument.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 7, 2016 16:19:41 GMT
"The Judges haven't voted to overturn the referendum result though have they?
This is the line of the foriegn billionaire owners of The Daily Mail..The Sun..The Daily Express.
What the decision means is that Parliament must debate Article 50 instead of just The Conservative Party ( ie The Government) pushing it through without any opposition to what the Tories decide.
That's the primary reason why these papers are slating the judges. These rags have politicised the debate. The Judges are debating points of Law. (1)
But Liz Truss is shit scared.of Murdoch. Conrad Black. Lord Rothermere ..."
Absolutely spot-on.
The owners and editors of those newspapers should have been taken to task.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 7, 2016 16:21:32 GMT
Advise me of last time a referendum went throught this? It's because - despite all the lies, all the propaganda, all the luvvies, all the insults, all the bullying, all the uneven coverage, all the corporations and all the banks - they didn't get the vote they anticipated. Thinking people knew, before it even took place, that it would be an establishment stitch-up, (just like they knew before the Iraq War), and every single thing that has happened has proven this hunch correct. Apart from the actual result which completely undermines your Conspiracy Theory argument. Not really, it just shows how out of touch politicians are. They genuinely thought that we would vote Remain, but underestimated the public's anger. The tone and content of Starkiller's post is spot on, in my opinion.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 17:54:50 GMT
Nothing to do with arrogance matey...just an understanding of Parliamentary procedure. Still impressed with Red Jezza's principles SIR ?, threatening to block article 50 in a pact with anti Brexit tory MP's, lying spineless Marxist hypocrite perhaps man of principle my arse, you really could not make this up a true man of the people You genuinely are an idiot of the highest order.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 17:56:17 GMT
"The Judges haven't voted to overturn the referendum result though have they? This is the line of the foriegn billionaire owners of The Daily Mail..The Sun..The Daily Express. What the decision means is that Parliament must debate Article 50 instead of just The Conservative Party ( ie The Government) pushing it through without any opposition to what the Tories decide. That's the primary reason why these papers are slating the judges. These rags have politicised the debate. The Judges are debating points of Law. (1) But Liz Truss is shit scared.of Murdoch. Conrad Black. Lord Rothermere ..." Absolutely spot-on. The owners and editors of those newspapers should have been taken to task. Murdoch is aching for brexit, that way he can exert even greater control over our government.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 18:42:30 GMT
Still impressed with Red Jezza's principles SIR ?, threatening to block article 50 in a pact with anti Brexit tory MP's, lying spineless Marxist hypocrite perhaps man of principle my arse, you really could not make this up a true man of the people You genuinely are an idiot of the highest order. But I consistently beat you on every thread what does that make you Sir, any thoughts on your messiahs stance on threatening to block a democratic decision, teaming up with the enemy and backtracking on his supposedly political career long fight to leave the EU, you suit him both hypocrites, both losers and both deluded.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 19:05:11 GMT
You genuinely are an idiot of the highest order. But I consistently beat you on every thread what does that make you Sir, any thoughts on your messiahs stance on threatening to block a democratic decision, teaming up with the enemy and backtracking on his supposedly political career long fight to leave the EU, you suit him both hypocrites, both losers and both deluded. Please supply the evidence to suggest Corbyn will do what you're suggesting. You really are a weapon.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 7, 2016 19:25:47 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 19:28:40 GMT
Official on the Party Website. Sorry to disappoint Rog.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 7, 2016 19:46:00 GMT
Official on the Party Website. Sorry to disappoint Rog. Well I am disappointed..... I can't find it anywhere Labour.org.uk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 20:10:19 GMT
But I consistently beat you on every thread what does that make you Sir, any thoughts on your messiahs stance on threatening to block a democratic decision, teaming up with the enemy and backtracking on his supposedly political career long fight to leave the EU, you suit him both hypocrites, both losers and both deluded. Please supply the evidence to suggest Corbyn will do what you're suggesting. You really are a weapon. I would like some evidence that murdock is running the government.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 7, 2016 20:40:13 GMT
For me the Labour party has severely failed the working class. I don't say that with any glee. The three politicians below are the only ones who I believe have contributed anything and been prominent in the Referendum debate. In contrast I cannot think of any useful contribution from any Labour member whether Blairite, Corbynite, Momentum or not. Unfortunately their MPs seem more concerned with their own careers or putting the party before the bigger issue of the country. This is where people like Farage have stolen a march on Labour.....he is on record as NOT being that bothered about UKIP, as long as he sticks to what he believes ( rightly or wrongly ) for the good of the country. This sort of conviction has hit home across the political divide and "your ordinary working class voter" recognises this. The Labour political class and the "intellectual " Labour Guardian readers don't. Kate Hoey; heatst.com/world/kate-hoey-labour-faces-electoral-suicide-if-it-doesnt-accept-brexit/Gisela Stuart; Take a look at @brexitcentral's Tweet: And Frank Field "Jeremy has just written the second longest suicide note in the history of the Labour party by coming out in favour of the remain campaign.” By ignoring the concerns of ordinary white working class Labour voters over immigration and driving them into the arms of Ukip, Corbyn had in effect consigned his party to decades in the political wilderness From; www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/26/frank-field-rounds-on-jeremy-corbyn-over-eu-stance
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 7, 2016 20:47:08 GMT
True, it would also be interesting to see if the MPs vote as per the results of their constituency regardless of their own personal views. Based on the referendum the results would be: MPs vote to remain: 119 MPs vote to leave: 263 Therefore Article 50 will be triggered regardless. It is interesting to note that all of Scotland's constituents voted in favour to remain... fueling the SNP's argument. It is also interesting to see the results to remain were also reflected within the big metropolis areas such as Central London (obviously), Newcastle, Bristol and Manchester so it is easy to see where they concentrated their tactics. Birmingham and its surrounding constituencies voted leave so that may have put a spanner in the works in the original planning by the remain camp. In terms of Scotland..not quite all as 37% voted to leave.... Jimmy Krankie arguing that they want to remain is laughable given that at the Scottish Referendum they wanted to leave the UK whuch meant they would be out of the EU? Arguing they get £750m from the EU yet wanting to leave the UK from who they get £1.8billion sums her up. she is desperate to go into the history books as the minister that got Scottish independence and thereby royally fucking the Scottish people. Do you think that the 18 destroyers due to be built on Clydeside will stay there if they do ever vote to leave the UK...no chance. I based my findings on constitutional votes not each and every vote as these are how MPs are voted in. For example my local constitution voted to leave so our MP should vote leave as this is what his representative electorate as a majority wanted. Therefore, despite 37% of the vote wishing to leave, every Scottish constitutional area represented by an MP had a remain majority vote.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 20:56:37 GMT
Please supply the evidence to suggest Corbyn will do what you're suggesting. You really are a weapon. I would like some evidence that murdock is running the government. Do your research mate.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 20:58:54 GMT
For me the Labour party has severely failed the working class. I don't say that with any glee. The three politicians below are the only ones who I believe have contributed anything and been prominent in the Referendum debate. In contrast I cannot think of any useful contribution from any Labour member whether Blairite, Corbynite, Momentum or not. Unfortunately their MPs seem more concerned with their own careers or putting the party before the bigger issue of the country. This is where people like Farage have stolen a march on Labour.....he is on record as NOT being that bothered about UKIP, as long as he sticks to what he believes ( rightly or wrongly ) for the good of the country. This sort of conviction has hit home across the political divide and "your ordinary working class voter" recognises this. The Labour political class and the "intellectual " Labour Guardian readers don't. Kate Hoey; heatst.com/world/kate-hoey-labour-faces-electoral-suicide-if-it-doesnt-accept-brexit/Gisela Stuart; Take a look at @brexitcentral's Tweet: And Frank Field "Jeremy has just written the second longest suicide note in the history of the Labour party by coming out in favour of the remain campaign.” By ignoring the concerns of ordinary white working class Labour voters over immigration and driving them into the arms of Ukip, Corbyn had in effect consigned his party to decades in the political wilderness From; www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/26/frank-field-rounds-on-jeremy-corbyn-over-eu-stanceCorbyn has publicly stated he will support Brexit.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 7, 2016 21:00:55 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 7, 2016 21:06:36 GMT
3 months out of date. He changed his tune this weekend before back tracking
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 21:12:19 GMT
It's the Marxist interpretation of the okey cokey in out in out they shake it all about, they do the okey cokey then they turn around that's what they are all about. They are unfit and incapable of running a piss up I a brewery let alone ever running this country, as for Corbyn he has the credibility of the tooth fairy.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 7, 2016 21:14:43 GMT
3 months out of date. He changed his tune this weekend before back tracking He must go backwards on his bike the amount of back peddling he does, he has more reverse gears than an Italian WWII tank.
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