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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2016 13:18:09 GMT
Who else has Shawcross played with recently to look a different player? Haha, exactly this. Weren't Ryan and Wolly (both) the catalysts for that spell in the latter part of 2015 where we conceded virtually no goals for a good length of time? We still looked awful at the back though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:20:09 GMT
Getting rid of him should solve the goals against stats though! Absolutley. Get rid of the uselss German fucker and Shawcross will immediately stop pulling people's shirts, Butland and Johnson will return to full fitness, Imbula, Bojan and Shaqiri will bother their lazy arses to track back, ISIS will be destroyed and there will be an end to world poverty. I must admit, you're the one constantly referring to him as a useless German something or other - you could just use his name?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:21:19 GMT
Haha, exactly this. Weren't Ryan and Wolly (both) the catalysts for that spell in the latter part of 2015 where we conceded virtually no goals for a good length of time? We still looked awful at the back though. Jack also had a MASSIVE part to play in this.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2016 13:24:17 GMT
We still looked awful at the back though. Jack also had a MASSIVE part to play in this. He really did. I said at the time having the goalkeeper that made the most saves in the league was nothing to brag about it and showed that the defence were letting him down.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 22, 2016 13:40:38 GMT
Absolutley. Get rid of the uselss German fucker and Shawcross will immediately stop pulling people's shirts, Butland and Johnson will return to full fitness, Imbula, Bojan and Shaqiri will bother their lazy arses to track back, ISIS will be destroyed and there will be an end to world poverty. I must admit, you're the one constantly referring to him as a useless German something or other - you could just use his name? It's called irony. According to sterotype the Germans don't understand it but I was rather hoping that you might.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:31:22 GMT
I must admit, you're the one constantly referring to him as a useless German something or other - you could just use his name? It's called irony. According to sterotype the Germans don't understand it but I was rather hoping that you might. I saw the irony, ironically I don't find it a laughing matter, having a 'useless German' at the back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:34:08 GMT
Jack also had a MASSIVE part to play in this. He really did. I said at the time having the goalkeeper that made the most saves in the league was nothing to brag about it and showed that the defence were letting him down. They say you can only save what's in front of you...he had a hell of a lot put in front of him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:36:05 GMT
Robert Huth Huth Huth, he's a massive Ger....
Sorry, wrong board.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 22, 2016 15:35:23 GMT
It's called irony. According to sterotype the Germans don't understand it but I was rather hoping that you might. I saw the irony, ironically I don't find it a laughing matter, having a 'useless German' at the back. Who said it was irony that was being used for humorous intent? Personally I don't find the persistent, unwarranted and often vitriolic scapegoating of a single player either funny or acceptable. Particualrly when those doing it are seemingly blind to many of the current wider failings in the squad - or when (as was the case in earlier in this thread) that player is given as the sole reason for us not being in Europe. It rather suggests that the people making those comments have a very limited appreciate of the game.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 22, 2016 15:44:03 GMT
It's called irony. According to sterotype the Germans don't understand it but I was rather hoping that you might. I saw the irony, ironically I don't find it a laughing matter, having a 'useless German' at the back. Only he's not useless, but hey, don't let that stop your absolute BS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:18:42 GMT
Robert Huth Huth Huth, he's a massive Ger.... Sorry, wrong board. If only...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:26:08 GMT
I saw the irony, ironically I don't find it a laughing matter, having a 'useless German' at the back. Who said it was irony that was being used for humorous intent? Personally I don't find the persistent, unwarranted and often vitriolic scapegoating of a single player either funny or acceptable. Particualrly when those doing it are seemingly blind to many of the current wider failings in the squad - or when (as was the case in earlier in this thread) that player is given as the sole reason for us not being in Europe. It rather suggests that the people making those comments have a very limited appreciate of the game. Persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating? Take a look, this is the first I have ever mentioned the guy on this board. You think he's ok, I don't - if there's a thread about certain exceptional players (Allen and well deserved) then there should also be threads about those who I believe don't fit into this squad. Feel free to have your opinion as you have, but calling it persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating is laughable. Ironically this one was quite humorous. He isn't the sole reason we're not in Europe, but the correct replacement could be the sole reason we do qualify for Europe. A solid, confident centre back could give the entire squad the confidence to push on. It would certainly help Ryan, our midfield would feel more assured going forward, and I'm sure Jack would appreciate it too. I'm not saying this is a definite should we get a replacement, however at the moment I can't see a better fix.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:28:50 GMT
I saw the irony, ironically I don't find it a laughing matter, having a 'useless German' at the back. Only he's not useless, but hey, don't let that stop your absolute BS. I won't don't worry, this is a message board full of many views.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 22, 2016 16:35:13 GMT
Only he's not useless, but hey, don't let that stop your absolute BS. I won't don't worry, this is a message board full of many views. Yes it is, and when the 'views' turn into bullshit, you know you'll get called out on it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:56:15 GMT
Only he's not useless, but hey, don't let that stop your absolute BS. I won't don't worry, this is a message board full of many views. Unless you regard them all at equal in their pure, absolute form (which is fine), having an opinion or view on something (and being able to air it) doesn't necessarily make them accurate, correct or true.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2016 17:01:06 GMT
If Wolly is dropped or sold, Shawcross continues to play poorly,who the feck do we play in their positions, if we don't bring anyone new in? G Cam or Muni if he is ever fit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 17:08:01 GMT
He's had a good start to the season, hope he continues to prove the doubters wrong.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 23, 2016 8:36:15 GMT
Who said it was irony that was being used for humorous intent? Personally I don't find the persistent, unwarranted and often vitriolic scapegoating of a single player either funny or acceptable. Particualrly when those doing it are seemingly blind to many of the current wider failings in the squad - or when (as was the case in earlier in this thread) that player is given as the sole reason for us not being in Europe. It rather suggests that the people making those comments have a very limited appreciate of the game. Persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating? Take a look, this is the first I have ever mentioned the guy on this board. You think he's ok, I don't - if there's a thread about certain exceptional players (Allen and well deserved) then there should also be threads about those who I believe don't fit into this squad. Feel free to have your opinion as you have, but calling it persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating is laughable. Ironically this one was quite humorous. He isn't the sole reason we're not in Europe, but the correct replacement could be the sole reason we do qualify for Europe. A solid, confident centre back could give the entire squad the confidence to push on. It would certainly help Ryan, our midfield would feel more assured going forward, and I'm sure Jack would appreciate it too. I'm not saying this is a definite should we get a replacement, however at the moment I can't see a better fix. Who said I was talking about you? And I can't be arsed to see what else you've posted - but if you've not found persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating (not to mention homophobic innuendo) on this board regarding Wollscheid over the past 12 months then you haven't been paying attention. You're simply the latest to join the chorus by leading with something about not knowing how he can earn a living as a footballer. Which is laughable as it's palpable nonsense. For what it's worth I don't think he's Beckenbauer either - but he's nowhere near as bad as many - including you make out. For what we paid for him he's probably good value. Also for what it's worth I agree we would benefit from at least another CB in the squad - maybe because Shawcross's best days are behind him - I hope not - but time will tell on that one, but more importatntly because we haven't got anyone else in the squad good enough in that posiiton to challenge either Shawcross or Wollscheid for their places.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 8:46:05 GMT
I won't don't worry, this is a message board full of many views. Yes it is, and when the 'views' turn into bullshit, you know you'll get called out on it. And you're the guy that decides whether someones 'view' is BS or not? Both of ours 'views' are backed by thousands...but because yours is yours that makes mine BS? Nah mate, get a grip. The majority of people that would agree with me on Wolly don't post on here, they don't even come on here, mainly because of guys like you that deem what's BS and what's not based on your own opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 8:49:19 GMT
I won't don't worry, this is a message board full of many views. Unless you regard them all at equal in their pure, absolute form (which is fine), having an opinion or view on something (and being able to air it) doesn't necessarily make them accurate, correct or true. So everything on this forum is accurate correct and true? No, because it's full of opinions, which is frankly what a messageboard should be about - I think he's toss, you evidently don't...here's a place to discuss, why try and turn it into something it isn't?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 8:56:54 GMT
Persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating? Take a look, this is the first I have ever mentioned the guy on this board. You think he's ok, I don't - if there's a thread about certain exceptional players (Allen and well deserved) then there should also be threads about those who I believe don't fit into this squad. Feel free to have your opinion as you have, but calling it persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating is laughable. Ironically this one was quite humorous. He isn't the sole reason we're not in Europe, but the correct replacement could be the sole reason we do qualify for Europe. A solid, confident centre back could give the entire squad the confidence to push on. It would certainly help Ryan, our midfield would feel more assured going forward, and I'm sure Jack would appreciate it too. I'm not saying this is a definite should we get a replacement, however at the moment I can't see a better fix. Who said I was talking about you? And I can't be arsed to see what else you've posted - but if you've not found persistent, unwarranted and vitriolic scapegoating (not to mention homophobic innuendo) on this board regarding Wollscheid over the past 12 months then you haven't been paying attention. You're simply the latest to join the chorus by leading with something about not knowing how he can earn a living as a footballer. Which is laughable as it's palpable nonsense. For what it's worth I don't think he's Beckenbauer either - but he's nowhere near as bad as many - including you make out. For what we paid for him he's probably good value. Also for what it's worth I agree we would benefit from at least another CB in the squad - maybe because Shawcross's best days are behind him - I hope not - but time will tell on that one, but more importatntly because we haven't got anyone else in the squad good enough in that posiiton to challenge either Shawcross or Wollscheid for their places. I honestly think that Muniesa is a better solution for us than Wolly, not by huge margins, but I think the way Hughes is wanting to pass out from the back he's the better of the 2 all round for this style. He should be given to chance to challenge for that position. However, neither of them at the moment, and neither is Cameron for that matter good enough to start as CB for a well established top half premier league side. I fear that without a replacement we will leak goals left right and centre this season...and we're not in a position at the moment to play the we'll score more than you game, not until we get a better striker anyway.
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 23, 2016 9:28:30 GMT
He's had a good start to the season, hope he continues to prove the doubters wrong. Bayern will be having an heart attack reading that,he's apparently crap that runs funny
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 23, 2016 9:37:09 GMT
Yes it is, and when the 'views' turn into bullshit, you know you'll get called out on it. And you're the guy that decides whether someones 'view' is BS or not? Both of ours 'views' are backed by thousands...but because yours is yours that makes mine BS? Nah mate, get a grip. The majority of people that would agree with me on Wolly don't post on here, they don't even come on here, mainly because of guys like you that deem what's BS and what's not based on your own opinion. Well... Yeah, you come on and leave your opinion and I give my opinion back, that's how this works.
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Post by foster on Aug 23, 2016 10:03:45 GMT
Ryan plays shit, let's blame Wolly.
Team plays shit, let's blame Wolly.
Pathetic.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 23, 2016 15:32:34 GMT
Ryan plays shit, let's blame Wolly. Team plays shit, let's blame Wolly. Pathetic. Hughes is looking for a CB, he's not about to replace his captain!
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Post by foster on Aug 23, 2016 15:42:02 GMT
Ryan plays shit, let's blame Wolly. Team plays shit, let's blame Wolly. Pathetic. Hughes is looking for a CB, he's not about to replace his captain! That's nice, but nothing to do with my post.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 23, 2016 15:42:21 GMT
He's had a good start to the season, hope he continues to prove the doubters wrong. Bayern will be having an heart attack reading that,he's apparently crap that runs funny Nothing funny about runny crap.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 23, 2016 16:01:18 GMT
Ryan plays shit, let's blame Wolly. Team plays shit, let's blame Wolly. Pathetic. Hughes is looking for a CB, he's not about to replace his captain! Maybe he should? There comes a time when every footballer has to be told that he's not the player he was, injuries and/or age taking their toll regardless of status in the club. Ryan will find it very difficult, in the 'heat of battle' to keep his hands to himself. Whoever has been his partner, grabbing and manhandling are in his DNA. So, just as players of the 60s/70s/80s would no longer find their tackling acceptable , so current players will have to change in line with current law interpretations.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 23, 2016 16:19:27 GMT
Hughes is looking for a CB, he's not about to replace his captain! Maybe he should? There comes a time when every footballer has to be told that he's not the player he was, injuries and/or age taking their toll regardless of status in the club. Ryan will find it very difficult, in the 'heat of battle' to keep his hands to himself. Whoever has been his partner, grabbing and manhandling are in his DNA. So, just as players of the 60s/70s/80s would no longer find their tackling acceptable , so current players will have to change in line with current law interpretations. Or move to a top four team of course, the rules I suspect will not be applied as stringently to them.
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 23, 2016 16:50:01 GMT
Bayern will be having an heart attack reading that,he's apparently crap that runs funny Nothing funny about runny crap. Wonder if he does a runny crap when he's running then
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