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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 30, 2016 20:24:59 GMT
It's clear he's not as bad as some folk say but he's nowhere near as good as others suggest. For me he's been OK and improved a lot last season but yet I never really trusted him. I (right or wrongly) get the impression he's not the most well liked player in the changing room and that as much as anything could be a reason for our crap defensive record. It's certainly a possibility, more often than not we've had decent individuals playing yet looked a shambles at the back. Harmony and team spirit is a huge part of defending so you never know. It's only a theory though and more than likely I'm talking balls as usual. You aren't wrong. It was clear to anyone with eyes during the man city game that there were several "issues" between wooly and other players. I said on leaving the ground that he was unlikely ever to play for us again and posted as much the following day.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2016 20:29:08 GMT
Ear Ear, some fuckers been lying through their teeth from Marks team if this is true, first choice PL CB better than the other German we had, great ball playing defender, integral part of a team that has achieved two top half finish's since he has been here, has to be worth at least £15 million let's see how he is valued by Mark and his team if we want to keep him here. Who's next for your bile ? Mark and his team if the do not sort the mess they have made. As someone who rates him highly what do you think Wolfy is worth ?
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Post by bringmesunshine on Aug 30, 2016 20:31:25 GMT
Is there any need for the disgusting description you have used? What's disgusting about it. Dutch fans were wearing them as an homage in the World Cup. Please explain, have I stumbled on some accidental slur against table tennis players? And you call outher posters " fucknutt " monsieur faux outrage!!!!!!!
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 30, 2016 20:33:32 GMT
Amazed people think he's a better passer of the ball than huth, every time he passes it, I feel like its a fluke.
As others have said since his shocking public display of petulance at Blackburn I've never liked him, seems to have a blunt blame everyone else attitude. To see him openly arguing with players on the pitch whilst we got 3 down and the crowd were getting 'restless' behind him was one of our must ugliest performances in recent times.
He regularly argues with Pieters and Muniesa during matches.
I won't be sad to see him go.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 20:36:04 GMT
What's disgusting about it. Dutch fans were wearing them as an homage in the World Cup. Please explain, have I stumbled on some accidental slur against table tennis players? And you call outher posters " fucknutt " monsieur faux outrage!!!!!!! I'm not outraged, I'm confused. Not for the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 20:36:13 GMT
Who's next for your bile ? Mark and his team if the do not sort the mess they have made. As someone who rates him highly what do you think Wolfy is worth ? More than what we paid.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 20:43:19 GMT
Mark and his team if the do not sort the mess they have made. As someone who rates him highly what do you think Wolfy is worth ? More than what we paid. About £6.4M according to some reports.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2016 20:44:27 GMT
Mark and his team if the do not sort the mess they have made. As someone who rates him highly what do you think Wolfy is worth ? More than what we paid. As an established PL CB what is his worth in the market as it is today ? some actual monetary valuation would be good, in my opinion based on the deals been done this transfer market he has to be valued at least £10m, if Hughes values him as highly as many on this board have stated it would be a major embarrassment to let him leave for less.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 20:46:21 GMT
About £6.4M according to some reports. 4.2 Marc Wilson's? Not bad I suppose!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 20:47:23 GMT
Wollschied is decent, easily the 2nd best centre half at the club and he will be a big loss if he goes - especially if we don't bring someone in to replace him.
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Post by werrington on Aug 30, 2016 20:48:24 GMT
As an established PL CB what is his worth in the market as it is today ? some actual monetary valuation would be good, in my opinion based on the deals been done this transfer market he has to be valued at least £10m, if Hughes values him as highly as many on this board have stated it would be a major embarrassment to let him leave for less. You have spent over a year absolutely slaughtering this bloke and I mean slaughtering on thread after thread both on a playing level and a personal level And now we have you saying how much the club should be asking for him when you've said he should be fucked off in a daily basis I'm not even going to quote a figure as you really aren't worth a reply on it
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 30, 2016 20:49:17 GMT
As an established PL CB what is his worth in the market as it is today ? some actual monetary valuation would be good, in my opinion based on the deals been done this transfer market he has to be valued at least £10m, if Hughes values him as highly as many on this board have stated it would be a major embarrassment to let him leave for less. If ŵe get £5m, we will have done well and made a decent profit. No way is he a £10m player even in this crazy market.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2016 20:55:38 GMT
As an established PL CB what is his worth in the market as it is today ? some actual monetary valuation would be good, in my opinion based on the deals been done this transfer market he has to be valued at least £10m, if Hughes values him as highly as many on this board have stated it would be a major embarrassment to let him leave for less. You have spent over a year absolutely slaughtering this bloke and I mean slaughtering on thread after thread both on a playing level and a personal level And now we have you saying how much the club should be asking for him when you've said he should be fucked off in a daily basis I'm not even going to quote a figure as you really aren't worth a reply on it Cop out
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 30, 2016 21:05:50 GMT
Off the top of my head here are some CBs and their approximate fees; Mangala £40m+, Chambers £16M, Lovren £20M+ , Chester £8M. Do you stand by your valuation of £3M max for a first choice Premier league CB? You must think the rest of our defenders (Muni, Cameron, Bardsley etc) are world beaters to carry such a poor footballer. First choice for which prem club? The point is that these players are not good enough to be first choice for their clubs (one of them could not force his way into a team that finished well below us) yet all of them cost considerably more than your valuation of a first choice player in a team that finished in the top half, despite horrendous injuries to many of his defensive colleagues.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 21:10:23 GMT
You'd hope even our cowardly local hacks will be looking for a full explanation on this one from Hughes.
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 30, 2016 21:10:25 GMT
I won't miss his arguing with fellow players, his slow as a giraffe antics to cover and most importantly this epic arrogance that he is our second best CB, which is utter bullshit I'd rather a more physical specimen in Indi and then Cameron and a fully fit Muniesa then see Wollschied attempt to turn with someone as fast as Lukaku and so does the manager and club and that's all I need.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 30, 2016 21:17:47 GMT
Amazed people think he's a better passer of the ball than huth, every time he passes it, I feel like its a fluke. As others have said since his shocking public display of petulance at Blackburn I've never liked him, seems to have a blunt blame everyone else attitude. To see him openly arguing with players on the pitch whilst we got 3 down and the crowd were getting 'restless' behind him was one of our must ugliest performances in recent times. He regularly argues with Pieters and Muniesa during matches.
I won't be sad to see him go. I didn't notice this when we were getting a clean sheet, and our first win at Anfield in my lifetime.
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Post by slicko on Aug 30, 2016 21:34:56 GMT
Like Mertesacker, Wollscheid may be big, but he will not strike the fear of God into opposing strikers. At his best, he is a gifted all round defender, with excellent positioning and relatively secure heading and tackling. He can play with both feet, and can mark equally well man to man or zonally, although he can be prone to losses of concentration.
— German sports writer Kit Holden gives his opinion on Philipp Wollscheid.
5.1.2015
A fair assessment before joining us, but I don't think he has developed considerably through his time in the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 21:39:50 GMT
You'd hope even our cowardly local hacks will be looking for a full explanation on this one from Hughes. "How and why did you make a profit on a player the fan base hated from day one?" "Because I'm ace, Spinksy"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 22:00:57 GMT
Our best defender last season IMO. Sorry to see him go.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2016 22:01:16 GMT
I suppose we will make a profit - but think the 7.5m euros mentioned in that German piece was just his arbitrary valuation on that transfermarkt site
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2016 22:06:04 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 22:06:24 GMT
You'd hope even our cowardly local hacks will be looking for a full explanation on this one from Hughes. "How and why did you make a profit on a player the fan base hated from day one?" "Because I'm ace, Spinksy" 'Why when you're so desperately short of defenders of top quality have you booted him out of the inner circle with the unseemly haste you would a dog with fleas, Mark?'
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 22:07:05 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 30, 2016 22:11:48 GMT
Decent cover for Ryan's back op and recovery, never destined to be a partnership. If Wolfman's off, then I'm reading it as a positive sign of Ryan's good progress/prognosis. Phillip wanting more than just back up, and he's missing his family and the sausages. We'll double our money, good bit of emergency cover.
My favourite moments will be him skittling the entire management team against Doncaster{?} in the Cup, and him finally being able to connect his boot with De Bruyne's face this time around. He doesn't seem too fond of the Dutch.
Good adventure with the divisive 'Tower', Could have got sour, I wish him well. Move on.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2016 22:14:02 GMT
Certainly odd if confirmed. Must be non-football reasons involved. Hughes certainly didn't think he was expendable until last week!
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2016 22:16:19 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 30, 2016 22:21:21 GMT
Well every hater got their wish now what>>>???>>>???>>>???
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Post by longthrow on Aug 30, 2016 22:22:30 GMT
I honestly wonder if people ever know what defending is "good positioning" honestly you couldn't make it up! He constantly is running out of position because he doesn't have a good football brain at all. Any striker with movement is just playing with him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 22:25:18 GMT
Decent cover for Ryan's back op and recovery, never destined to be a partnership. If Wolfman's off, then I'm reading it as a positive sign of Ryan's good progress/prognosis. Phillip wanting more than just back up, and he's missing his family and the sausages. We'll double our money, good bit of emergency cover. My favourite moments will be him skittling the entire management team against Doncaster{?} in the Cup, and him finally being able to connect his boot with De Bruyne's face this time around. He doesn't seem too fond of the Dutch. Good adventure with the divisive 'Tower', Could have got sour, I wish him well. Move on. Homesick?
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