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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 18:37:07 GMT
Yeah, it will be very interesting what they have to say, particularly if we’re only getting table tennis ball eyes in. We have to be confident of another defender, surely? Is there any need for the disgusting description you have used? What's disgusting about it. Dutch fans were wearing them as an homage in the World Cup. Please explain, have I stumbled on some accidental slur against table tennis players?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 30, 2016 18:39:34 GMT
Is there any need for the disgusting description you have used? What's disgusting about it. Dutch fans were wearing them as an homage in the World Cup. Please explain, have I sumbled on some accidental slur against table tennis players? Ping pong mafia at large.
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Post by mondeoman on Aug 30, 2016 18:39:55 GMT
This is untrue is it not ?
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Post by salopstick on Aug 30, 2016 18:43:16 GMT
He been there for a week with family then an ear infection stopped him flying back to England That old chestnut
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Post by stokedaft on Aug 30, 2016 18:44:13 GMT
Then Mark Bowen is a liar
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 30, 2016 19:03:03 GMT
If Wollscheid leaves and we don't bring in a replacement we will be way too thin in defence.
4 centre backs is enough in a squad, assuming we have enough cover for all the other defensive positions. At the moment we are 1 injury away from having no defensive player on the bench.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 30, 2016 19:05:16 GMT
But we do not have 4. We have 1 with a dodgy back and 2 makeshift right now. 3 proper cb's and a 4th multi functional is fine but that is not where we are at Muni is a good CB as he's proven. As is Indi. Geoff can do a job there which is what you need from a fourth CB isn't it? Who has 5 frontline CBs? Muni is not in my opinion - maybe you forget Blackburn? Geoffrey was so out of position against Everton so many times I have no idea re Indi
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2016 19:09:13 GMT
Muni is a good CB as he's proven. As is Indi. Geoff can do a job there which is what you need from a fourth CB isn't it? Who has 5 frontline CBs? Muni is not in my opinion - maybe you forget Blackburn? Geoffrey was so out of position against Everton so many times I have no idea re Indi I remember the games he excelled in and formed a very good partnership with the captain in. Geoff does a job, I'd prefer a better fourth choice yes but all are better than Wolly.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 30, 2016 19:14:56 GMT
Muni is not in my opinion - maybe you forget Blackburn? Geoffrey was so out of position against Everton so many times I have no idea re Indi I remember the games he excelled in and formed a very good partnership with the captain in. Geoff does a job, I'd prefer a better fourth choice yes but all are better than Wolly. He did well to keep Cameron and Muniesa out of the team consistently for months, given how shit he is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2016 19:18:08 GMT
I remember the games he excelled in and formed a very good partnership with the captain in. Geoff does a job, I'd prefer a better fourth choice yes but all are better than Wolly. He did well to keep Cameron and Muniesa out of the team consistently for months, given how shit he is. He didn't. We have a manager who is really struggling and made a cock up with him. That's being rectified.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 30, 2016 19:23:17 GMT
Wolly was first choice CB, playing 31 league games for the 9th best team in the league last season. Injuries to our other defenders meant that he had 5 different CB partners. It is widely acknowledged by everyone who knows anything about defending, that consistent selection is paramount to consistent performances. Wolly and the rest of our defenders rarely had time to work together in training last season nor did they have games to develop the sort of understanding that would have led to more clean sheets. Despite these handicaps, and playing behind an attack that really struggled for goals, Wolly was still a major part of a team that equalled our best ever Premier League finish.
It staggers me that so many posters believe that Wolly was not only not good enough for the league, but was in fact crap. These posters must have a huge regard for all of our other players and for our management for their achievements last season whilst carrying what they perceive to be such a waste of space.
For what it's worth I think we should expect at least £12M for Wolly. Anything below £10M would be more than insulting.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2016 19:30:57 GMT
Wolly was first choice CB, playing 31 league games for the 9th best team in the league last season. Injuries to our other defenders meant that he had 5 different CB partners. It is widely acknowledged by everyone who knows anything about defending, that consistent selection is paramount to consistent performances. Wolly and the rest of our defenders rarely had time to work together in training last season nor did they have games to develop the sort of understanding that would have led to more clean sheets. Despite these handicaps, and playing behind an attack that really struggled for goals, Wolly was still a major part of a team that equalled our best ever Premier League finish. It staggers me that so many posters believe that Wolly was not only not good enough for the league, but was in fact crap. These posters must have a huge regard for all of our other players and for our management for their achievements last season whilst carrying what they perceive to be such a waste of space. For what it's worth I think we should expect at least £12M for Wolly. Anything below £10M would be more than insulting. But another way of looking at it, knowing what i've seen now, if we were bidding anywhere above £3m for him i'd be gutted!
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Post by Mendicant on Aug 30, 2016 19:32:45 GMT
Is there any need for the disgusting description you have used? What's disgusting about it. Dutch fans were wearing them as an homage in the World Cup. Please explain, have I stumbled on some accidental slur against table tennis players? You have shown a lot of restraint with that reply, I'd have been raging.
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Post by foster on Aug 30, 2016 19:34:27 GMT
Wolly was first choice CB, playing 31 league games for the 9th best team in the league last season. Injuries to our other defenders meant that he had 5 different CB partners. It is widely acknowledged by everyone who knows anything about defending, that consistent selection is paramount to consistent performances. Wolly and the rest of our defenders rarely had time to work together in training last season nor did they have games to develop the sort of understanding that would have led to more clean sheets. Despite these handicaps, and playing behind an attack that really struggled for goals, Wolly was still a major part of a team that equalled our best ever Premier League finish. It staggers me that so many posters believe that Wolly was not only not good enough for the league, but was in fact crap. These posters must have a huge regard for all of our other players and for our management for their achievements last season whilst carrying what they perceive to be such a waste of space. For what it's worth I think we should expect at least £12M for Wolly. Anything below £10M would be more than insulting. FACT!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 30, 2016 19:36:12 GMT
It's clear he's not as bad as some folk say but he's nowhere near as good as others suggest.
For me he's been OK and improved a lot last season but yet I never really trusted him.
I (right or wrongly) get the impression he's not the most well liked player in the changing room and that as much as anything could be a reason for our crap defensive record.
It's certainly a possibility, more often than not we've had decent individuals playing yet looked a shambles at the back.
Harmony and team spirit is a huge part of defending so you never know.
It's only a theory though and more than likely I'm talking balls as usual.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2016 19:38:30 GMT
It's clear he's not as bad as some folk say but he's nowhere near as good as others suggest. For me he's been OK and improved a lot last season but yet I never really trusted him. I (right or wrongly) get the impression he's not the most well liked player in the changing room and that as much as anything could be a reason for our crap defensive record. It's certainly a possibility, more often than not we've had decent individuals playing yet looked a shambles at the back. Harmony and team spirit is a huge part of defending so you never know. It's only a theory though and more than likely I'm talking balls as usual. I really don't think I exaggerate how bad he is though Jamo. Almost every game in the run in last season he made an error that lead to a goal. I just can't see how anyone can see an ounce of good in him. He's in the same boat as Wilson and Collins for me.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 30, 2016 19:39:25 GMT
Wolly was first choice CB, playing 31 league games for the 9th best team in the league last season. Injuries to our other defenders meant that he had 5 different CB partners. It is widely acknowledged by everyone who knows anything about defending, that consistent selection is paramount to consistent performances. Wolly and the rest of our defenders rarely had time to work together in training last season nor did they have games to develop the sort of understanding that would have led to more clean sheets. Despite these handicaps, and playing behind an attack that really struggled for goals, Wolly was still a major part of a team that equalled our best ever Premier League finish. It staggers me that so many posters believe that Wolly was not only not good enough for the league, but was in fact crap. These posters must have a huge regard for all of our other players and for our management for their achievements last season whilst carrying what they perceive to be such a waste of space. For what it's worth I think we should expect at least £12M for Wolly. Anything below £10M would be more than insulting. But another way of looking at it, knowing what i've seen now, if we were bidding anywhere above £3m for him i'd be gutted! Off the top of my head here are some CBs and their approximate fees; Mangala £40m+, Chambers £16M, Lovren £20M+ , Chester £8M. Do you stand by your valuation of £3M max for a first choice Premier league CB? You must think the rest of our defenders (Muni, Cameron, Bardsley etc) are world beaters to carry such a poor footballer.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Aug 30, 2016 19:40:49 GMT
Going to Wolfsburg according to SSN.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 30, 2016 19:42:51 GMT
It's clear he's not as bad as some folk say but he's nowhere near as good as others suggest. For me he's been OK and improved a lot last season but yet I never really trusted him. I (right or wrongly) get the impression he's not the most well liked player in the changing room and that as much as anything could be a reason for our crap defensive record. It's certainly a possibility, more often than not we've had decent individuals playing yet looked a shambles at the back. Harmony and team spirit is a huge part of defending so you never know. It's only a theory though and more than likely I'm talking balls as usual. I really don't think I exaggerate how bad he is though Jamo. Almost every game in the run in last season he made an error that lead to a goal. I just can't see how anyone can see an ounce of good in him. He's in the same boat as Wilson and Collins for me. I wouldn't put him in the Collins category but Wilo maybe. The long and the short of it for me is that when we look back, I don't think we'll end up missing him particularly and it won't be a massive task to improve on him.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 30, 2016 19:43:06 GMT
Wolly was first choice CB, playing 31 league games for the 9th best team in the league last season. Injuries to our other defenders meant that he had 5 different CB partners. It is widely acknowledged by everyone who knows anything about defending, that consistent selection is paramount to consistent performances. Wolly and the rest of our defenders rarely had time to work together in training last season nor did they have games to develop the sort of understanding that would have led to more clean sheets. Despite these handicaps, and playing behind an attack that really struggled for goals, Wolly was still a major part of a team that equalled our best ever Premier League finish. It staggers me that so many posters believe that Wolly was not only not good enough for the league, but was in fact crap. These posters must have a huge regard for all of our other players and for our management for their achievements last season whilst carrying what they perceive to be such a waste of space. For what it's worth I think we should expect at least £12M for Wolly. Anything below £10M would be more than insulting. Well said
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Post by Waggy on Aug 30, 2016 19:43:54 GMT
My friend Trevor is so upset by the news.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 19:47:23 GMT
What's disgusting about it. Dutch fans were wearing them as an homage in the World Cup. Please explain, have I stumbled on some accidental slur against table tennis players? You have shown a lot of restraint with that reply, I'd have been raging. I was hoping for an explanation but seemingly not!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2016 19:57:26 GMT
Going to Wolfsburg according to SSN. Ear Ear, some fuckers been lying through their teeth from Marks team if this is true, first choice PL CB better than the other German we had, great ball playing defender, integral part of a team that has achieved two top half finish's since he has been here, has to be worth at least £15 million let's see how he is valued by Mark and his team if we want to keep him here.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2016 19:59:18 GMT
But another way of looking at it, knowing what i've seen now, if we were bidding anywhere above £3m for him i'd be gutted! Off the top of my head here are some CBs and their approximate fees; Mangala £40m+, Chambers £16M, Lovren £20M+ , Chester £8M. Do you stand by your valuation of £3M max for a first choice Premier league CB? You must think the rest of our defenders (Muni, Cameron, Bardsley etc) are world beaters to carry such a poor footballer. First choice for which prem club?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 30, 2016 20:01:44 GMT
If he's off to Germany could this mean our previous link to Kyriakos Papadopolopolopolpoloploplolpolpolous might resurface in the next 24 hours?
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Post by werrington on Aug 30, 2016 20:01:54 GMT
Going to Wolfsburg according to SSN. Ear Ear, some fuckers been lying through their teeth from Marks team if this is true, first choice PL CB better than the other German we had, great ball playing defender, integral part of a team that has achieved two top half finish's since he has been here, has to be worth at least £15 million let's see how he is valued by Mark and his team if we want to keep him here. Who's next for your bile ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 30, 2016 20:06:42 GMT
This fee will undoubtedly be 'undisclosed' to save face all round.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2016 20:07:12 GMT
If he's off to Germany could this mean our previous link to Kyriakos Papadopolopolopolpoloploplolpolpolous might resurface in the next 24 hours? He's signed for Red Bull Leipzig by the looks of it
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Post by kevkj on Aug 30, 2016 20:13:14 GMT
German press reckon 7.5 million Euros. Der 27-Jährige soll sich am heutigen Dienstag zu Verhandlungen in Wolfsburg aufgehalten haben. Wolfsburg reagiert damit auf die Abgänge von Naldo (33, Schalke) und Dante (32, Nizza). Wollscheid steht bei Stoke noch bis 2018 unter Vertrag, sein Marktwert beträgt 7,5 Millionen Euro. Der Ex-Nationalspieler hatte im November 2010 sein Bundesliga-Debüt unter dem heutigen VfL-Trainer Dieter Hecking beim 1.FC Nürnberg gegeben.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 30, 2016 20:21:10 GMT
He left for Germany after the Man city game,refused to return has he wanted to practice defending
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