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Post by bigdev on Jul 20, 2016 21:50:46 GMT
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Post by burge2u on Jul 20, 2016 21:51:31 GMT
Lucas was the ar$ehole who was 'giving it large' to Stoke fans when we'd just lost out on penalties at Anfield. ........ No thanks. Walters winds up opposition fans too and I love him for it. I was there and hated him for it too but would still want him doing it to opposition fans in a Stoke Shirt I take your point about wind ups, but I still think that my preference would be Allen instead of Lucas. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 20, 2016 21:51:48 GMT
Klopp has spoken
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Post by miggo on Jul 20, 2016 21:51:59 GMT
Can you expand on this a bit? What should we be looking for in midfield? If we lose Arnie and gain Allen, we have another MF player surplus to requirements and we now need two wingers instead of one. Not much progress. Last time I checked Arnie was still here and nobody is seriously linked with him. This has nothing to do with Arnie we will sign a winger regardless. Allen is much needed to compete with Whelan and imbula. Don't forget Cameron was playing their FFS!! |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 20, 2016 21:52:27 GMT
Can you expand on this a bit? What should we be looking for in midfield? If we lose Arnie and gain Allen, we have another MF player surplus to requirements and we now need two wingers instead of one. Not much progress. Is it just the midfield thing that's confusing you? Why are you focusing on Allen replacing Arnautovic? Unless you're... never mind. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 20, 2016 21:53:21 GMT
Short of finding another Kante somewhere, can you think of anyone who does Paul? I can't. Certainly not one of the midfielders we've been linked with does. Surely there has to be some hope that Imbula can adapt and add some semblance of a defensive side to his game? If not we really haven't done our homework at all there and are in quite the mess whoever comes in. What I like about Allen is that I've seen him play the energetic, tireless scrapper role and I've seen him play the more disciplined, deep lying playmaker role, which makes me think he has the flexibility to play in either of the roles? I could be wrong but that's been the impression I've got? Yeah that's pretty much my impression of him Rob too and as such (and knowing what I know of all four players to date), I'd be choosing a '3' to play against Boro and Citeh which consists of Whelan, Allen and one of either Imbula OR Bojan. If we're going to play Bojan and Imbula together, then we're going to need a player with the same attributes (if not the same ability) as Kante ... in my humble. Much hinges of Imbula pulling his weight defensively. We would need a superman of a midfielder to play in a central three with a free wheeling Imbula and a number 10 in Bojan, and manage to be the defensive shield, the sole ball winner and the link man for our forward play. I am not sure such a player exists. |
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 20, 2016 21:54:40 GMT
It's happening. Scholes just tweeted this:  |
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Post by burge2u on Jul 20, 2016 21:56:15 GMT
That looks like a recent photo? (Hughes with beard). Edit: Just spotted Ashley Williams (Welsh team). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 21:57:05 GMT
That looks like a recent photo? (Hughes with beard). Portugal defeat I think |
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 20, 2016 21:57:13 GMT
That looks like a recent photo? (Hughes with beard). Wales v Portugal match, I think. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 20, 2016 21:57:30 GMT
That looks like a recent photo? (Hughes with beard). At the Euros - tipping him the wink, like a "see you in a few weeks at Clayton Woods". |
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Post by Jeremy Corbyn on Jul 20, 2016 21:58:13 GMT
Sorry Rob, I've not had a chance to reply to this until now ... If Imbula was going to play in the hole INSTEAD of Bojan, then I think Allen would make a smashing fit in midfield ALONGSIDE Whelan. He'd make a great replacement for N'Zonzi. However if two of our three midfielders are going to be Bojan and Imbula, do you not think we're going to need an absolute beast of a defensive mid to do the defensive work (of at least) two men? Do you think Allen absolutely fits that criteria? If Arnie leaves (and I think he will) then 4-3-3 could be the way to go. Johnno New CB Ryan Erik Allen Imbula Whelan Shaq Berahino Bojan Wont argue with that with Imbula advancing forward to support the front 3. The only thing with a 433 is I think we need attacking full backs. Though I think Johnson could play that role I'm not sure Eric has the final ball to make it work. With Shaq and Bojan playing quite central with the fullbacks supplying the width I think we'd be a great attacking force. |
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 20, 2016 21:58:54 GMT
Yeah that's pretty much my impression of him Rob too and as such (and knowing what I know of all four players to date), I'd be choosing a '3' to play against Boro and Citeh which consists of Whelan, Allen and one of either Imbula OR Bojan. If we're going to play Bojan and Imbula together, then we're going to need a player with the same attributes (if not the same ability) as Kante ... in my humble. Much hinges of Imbula pulling his weight defensively. We would need a superman of a midfielder to play in a central three with a free wheeling Imbula and a number 10 in Bojan, and manage to be the defensive shield, the sole ball winner and the link man for our forward play. I am not sure such a player exists. Claude makalele is pretty much the only player ive seen like that who was perfect at it but busquets at barca carries a pretty huge weight in front of him. Conversely the more attacking we can be potentially the less defensive we should need to be for as long a period |
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Post by datguy on Jul 20, 2016 21:59:13 GMT
That looks like a recent photo? (Hughes with beard). It was taken at the Euros semi final. Both Sparky and Bowen were there |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 20, 2016 21:59:38 GMT
If we lose Arnie and gain Allen, we have another MF player surplus to requirements and we now need two wingers instead of one. Not much progress. Is it just the midfield thing that's confusing you? Why are you focusing on Allen replacing Arnautovic? Unless you're... never mind. I am not confused. At least I don't think so. If we lose Arnie and sign Allen then the squad looks like this: Wingers: Shaqiri (better in the middle anyway) + no one (unless you count Walters and Diouf) CM (attacking and defensive): Allen, Bojan, Adam, Affelay (injured), Ireland (injured), Imbulla, Whelan This is even more unbalanced than before. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 20, 2016 21:59:43 GMT
Can you expand on this a bit? What should we be looking for in midfield? If we lose Arnie and gain Allen, we have another MF player surplus to requirements and we now need two wingers instead of one. Not much progress. I don't get the 'surplus to requirements' bit for starters. How so? Second, he's not a direct replacement for Arnie? Sobhi will be one of the wingers, if Arnie goes, yeah we'll need another one. |
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 20, 2016 21:59:58 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 20, 2016 22:00:09 GMT
Yeah that's pretty much my impression of him Rob too and as such (and knowing what I know of all four players to date), I'd be choosing a '3' to play against Boro and Citeh which consists of Whelan, Allen and one of either Imbula OR Bojan. If we're going to play Bojan and Imbula together, then we're going to need a player with the same attributes (if not the same ability) as Kante ... in my humble. Much hinges of Imbula pulling his weight defensively. We would need a superman of a midfielder to play in a central three with a free wheeling Imbula and a number 10 in Bojan, and manage to be the defensive shield, the sole ball winner and the link man for our forward play. I am not sure such a player exists. Imbula would be the link man Jez. But you're right ... we WILL need a superman of a midfielder to be the defensive shield and sole ball winner, indeed I think Hughes' intention to play Bojan and Imbula together is completely reliant on it. If he doesn't get that signing right, then something (ultimately) will end up having to change further forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 22:00:18 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 20, 2016 22:01:56 GMT
Is it just the midfield thing that's confusing you? Why are you focusing on Allen replacing Arnautovic? Unless you're... never mind. I am not confused. At least I don't think so. If we lose Arnie and sign Allen then the squad looks like this: Wingers: Shaqiri (better in the middle anyway) + no one (unless you count Walters and Diouf) CM (attacking and defensive): Allen, Bojan, Adam, Affelay (injured), Ireland (injured), Imbulla, Whelan This is even more unbalanced than before. You obviously are. Why would signing Allen have any reflection on what's happening with arnie? We'll be in the same situation if we don't sign Allen. |
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Post by Jeremy Corbyn on Jul 20, 2016 22:02:36 GMT
Is it just the midfield thing that's confusing you? Why are you focusing on Allen replacing Arnautovic? Unless you're... never mind. I am not confused. At least I don't think so. If we lose Arnie and sign Allen then the squad looks like this: Wingers: Shaqiri (better in the middle anyway) + no one (unless you count Walters and Diouf) CM (attacking and defensive): Allen, Bojan, Adam, Affelay (injured), Ireland (injured), Imbulla, Whelan This is even more unbalanced than before. Don't forget Sobhi and Berahino who could play a similar role to what Odom did. |
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Post by samba :) on Jul 20, 2016 22:03:09 GMT
He says he would rather go to Swansea, for fuck sake stoke
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Post by kustokie on Jul 20, 2016 22:03:58 GMT
If we lose Arnie and gain Allen, we have another MF player surplus to requirements and we now need two wingers instead of one. Not much progress. I don't get the 'surplus to requirements' bit for starters. How so? Second, he's not a direct replacement for Arnie? Sobhi will be one of the wingers, if Arnie goes, yeah we'll need another one. I haven't picked up any good vibes on Sobhi's work permit. And don't you think Shaqiri is waster on the wing? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 20, 2016 22:04:08 GMT
He says he would rather go to Swansea, for fuck sake stoke We could re locate for him. Anything for a signing. |
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Post by samba :) on Jul 20, 2016 22:05:30 GMT
He says he would rather go to Swansea, for fuck sake stoke We could re locate for him. Anything for a signing. why the fuck are we signing someone that doesn't want to play for us, who will he replace? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 20, 2016 22:05:31 GMT
He says he would rather go to Swansea, for fuck sake stoke Sorry mate I've missed this, is he directly quoted as saying this somewhere? Cheers |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 20, 2016 22:06:08 GMT
I am not confused. At least I don't think so. If we lose Arnie and sign Allen then the squad looks like this: Wingers: Shaqiri (better in the middle anyway) + no one (unless you count Walters and Diouf) CM (attacking and defensive): Allen, Bojan, Adam, Affelay (injured), Ireland (injured), Imbulla, Whelan This is even more unbalanced than before. You obviously are. Why would signing Allen have any reflection on what's happening with arnie? We'll be in the same situation if we don't sign Allen. I understand the two are unrelated. However, I am more concerned about Arnie leaving without a replacement than I am excited about Allen signing, that's all. It's a classic management trick to distract everyone from the real issues. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 20, 2016 22:06:55 GMT
We could re locate for him. Anything for a signing. why the fuck are we signing someone that doesn't want to play for us, who will he replace? He's replacing arnie. But he doesn't want to play for us either. Are you OK travelling to south Wales every match? |
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Post by Jeremy Corbyn on Jul 20, 2016 22:08:49 GMT
Maybe Hughes is looking at something like this
............Jack...........
Glen....Ryan....Wolli..Eric
............Whelo..........
......Allen.......Imbula...
......Shaq.........Bojan...
..........Berahino.........
With the fullbacks offering the width. I'd like to see Whelan upgraded however I'm not sure whether a Allen / Imbula midfield 2 would be disciplined enough. I wonder if the interest in Allen has put an end to the interest in the lad from Juve. I just don't think Whelo's neither mobile enough or a good enough footballer for MH.
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Post by miggo on Jul 20, 2016 22:08:53 GMT
He says he would rather go to Swansea, for fuck sake stoke Where and when has this been said ? |
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