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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2016 6:37:27 GMT
And yet we still thought we'd get it done quick. 3 public deals. 3 long drawn sagas. It's becoming a common theme with us and is being noticed out of the Internet too. Which is always a worry! Surely with any deal you hope to get it done quick even if it's not possible or even likely? What do we do, not go for players who might not sign within 48 hours? But when that seems the sole plan and it's impossible then you look stupid. No not at all but that's missing the point. The strategy with Allen seemed to be short and shock tactics. It failed. Berahino was always going to be this long although I do believe we thought we'd have him by now. And with the money we've bid I agree with their assertions there. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 23, 2016 7:10:11 GMT
Surely with any deal you hope to get it done quick even if it's not possible or even likely? What do we do, not go for players who might not sign within 48 hours? But when that seems the sole plan and it's impossible then you look stupid. No not at all but that's missing the point. The strategy with Allen seemed to be short and shock tactics. It failed. Berahino was always going to be this long although I do believe we thought we'd have him by now. And with the money we've bid I agree with their assertions there. Other than the line about us hoping to conclude a deal within 48 hours, which we don't even know is true or not, there really isn't a lot of basis for saying that though. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 23, 2016 7:20:17 GMT
Is there any news?
Or just bickering?
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Post by philb on Jul 23, 2016 7:30:08 GMT
Is there any news? Or just bickering? We've bid for 3 players (Sobhi, Allen, Berahino) . . . . And not signed anyone yet |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 23, 2016 7:31:01 GMT
Considering Hughes has been around the squad there is no way Stoke put in a bid with out the nod and the wink that he fancies the move
My guess is he still on holiday and will be sorted next week or so.
Jezza Peace just doing his normal posturing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 7:33:27 GMT
Considering Hughes has been around the squad there is no way Stoke put in a bid with out the nod and the wink that he fancies the move My guess is he still on holiday and will be sorted next week or so. Jezza Peace just doing his normal posturing I'm with you salop just sit back and enjoy the media roller coaster |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 23, 2016 7:33:56 GMT
I agree with you and Momo: We are fucking loaded! We should at least TRY to outbid Palace and Swansea; they might blink first. Berahinho and Allen are as good as we'll get and exactly what we need. It's now or never! Who is saying we shouldn't try? Several posters have said we should move on. Fair enough, that's their opinion. I just think if they are our two main targets we should try to impose ourselves a bit. I realize that there are extenuating circumstances to both deals, though. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 23, 2016 7:38:33 GMT
Considering Hughes has been around the squad there is no way Stoke put in a bid with out the nod and the wink that he fancies the move My guess is he still on holiday and will be sorted next week or so. Jezza Peace just doing his normal posturing I hope you are right. Those two could transform us, Allen especially. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 23, 2016 7:42:41 GMT
Who is saying we shouldn't try? Several posters have said we should move on. Fair enough, that's their opinion. I just think if they are our two main targets we should try to impose ourselves a bit. I realize that there are extenuating circumstances to both deals, though. The club is trying though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 7:43:04 GMT
Just let the club do their business. It'll all be alright in the end.
All clubs have at least three or four targets for each key position they are targeting. That's just how it works these days and that is what Cartwright and Cruickshank are there for.
If it isn't Allen it'll be someone just as good or slightly different.
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Post by werrington on Jul 23, 2016 7:49:03 GMT
Several posters have said we should move on. Fair enough, that's their opinion. I just think if they are our two main targets we should try to impose ourselves a bit. I realize that there are extenuating circumstances to both deals, though. The club is trying though. What can't some grasp mate ..We are allegedly after 3 players Sobhi ..awaiting a permit Berahino ...awaiting bid acceptance and permission to speak Allen ...Bid accepted and awaiting to speak to him as he's on holiday All 3 out of our hands |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 23, 2016 7:53:57 GMT
Several posters have said we should move on. Fair enough, that's their opinion. I just think if they are our two main targets we should try to impose ourselves a bit. I realize that there are extenuating circumstances to both deals, though. The club is trying though. I would hope so. Do you think we'll get both deals over the line, like Salop does? I can see the reasoning in his post. I'd actually be more gutted if we missed out on Allen because I think he's the more necessary signing. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 23, 2016 8:01:41 GMT
The club is trying though. I would hope so. Do you think we'll get both deals over the line, like Salop does? I can see the reasoning in his post. I'd actually be more gutted if we missed out on Allen because I think he's the more necessary signing. I think Sobhi will sign. Berahino all depends on Peace. I don't see what more we can do really, but then it's a position I don't think is a huge priority personally anyway. Would be a statement signing and exciting, so on that level there's that. Allen - who knows? Depends how strong the urge to go home is. The noises Jenkins has been making have been lukewarm so far so far, while we've made our interest clear, which could work in our favour. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2016 8:21:39 GMT
But when that seems the sole plan and it's impossible then you look stupid. No not at all but that's missing the point. The strategy with Allen seemed to be short and shock tactics. It failed. Berahino was always going to be this long although I do believe we thought we'd have him by now. And with the money we've bid I agree with their assertions there. Other than the line about us hoping to conclude a deal within 48 hours, which we don't even know is true or not, there really isn't a lot of basis for saying that though. Apart from Hughes wanting 2 in, Allen preferring Swansea, Swansea then not being in a position to bid and the press (Percy) seemingly being briefed with it. It all looks like we wanted it done quick. I can live without Joe Allen though!  |
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Post by animal on Jul 23, 2016 8:25:03 GMT
I know he's a Swansea lad and the chance of going back there could be to big of a thing to resist. But I can't believe that Hughes didn't sound him out at the Euros.There's a few pics of them together after the semi. Or maybe I'm clutching at straws. Only time will tell.
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Post by Biblical on Jul 23, 2016 8:31:13 GMT
I'm not at all concerned by the time it's taking, Allen is holiday so we haven't had the chance to speak to him yet and we don't yet know if Swansea have, or indeed will, make a formal offer for Allen. We need to ride it out and see wait for developments because I think there's a good chance he will still sign.
If Swansea do stump up the cash and he decides to go there then it will be unfortunate but we'll move on to other targets, if we aren't already in talks with other clubs already.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 23, 2016 8:31:38 GMT
Other than the line about us hoping to conclude a deal within 48 hours, which we don't even know is true or not, there really isn't a lot of basis for saying that though. Apart from Hughes wanting 2 in, Allen preferring Swansea, Swansea then not being in a position to bid and the press (Percy) seemingly being briefed with it. It all looks like we wanted it done quick. I can live without Joe Allen though! Ideally we want all deals done quick. I don't believe anyone wants a long, drawn-out affair do they? It's just that it often happens. The perception is we're the only club who suffers from this. A 30-second look on NewsNow shows that up for the nonsense it is. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2016 8:33:57 GMT
Apart from Hughes wanting 2 in, Allen preferring Swansea, Swansea then not being in a position to bid and the press (Percy) seemingly being briefed with it. It all looks like we wanted it done quick. I can live without Joe Allen though! Ideally we want all deals done quick. I don't believe anyone wants a long, drawn-out affair do they? It's just that it often happens. The perception is we're the only club who suffers from this. A 30-second look on NewsNow shows that up for the nonsense it is. No but like the Berahino one you know some will drag but this one I think we thought we'd get it done bish bash bosh. Nobody says it doesn't happen at other clubs. It's that this happens every year with most deals at this club that is a bit wank! |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 23, 2016 8:39:31 GMT
Ideally we want all deals done quick. I don't believe anyone wants a long, drawn-out affair do they? It's just that it often happens. The perception is we're the only club who suffers from this. A 30-second look on NewsNow shows that up for the nonsense it is. No but like the Berahino one you know some will drag but this one I think we thought we'd get it done bish bash bosh. Nobody says it doesn't happen at other clubs. It's that this happens every year with most deals at this club that is a bit wank! I just think it's pretty common with most clubs of our size in this league. It would've been nice to get a signing on the board by now and there are concerns, legitimate or not, at every step of the chain where transfers are concerned (why do our top targets seem to end up almost surplus to requirements within months, for example?), but I just don't think every last deal is down to error on our part. There are other factors involved. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 23, 2016 8:54:02 GMT
No but like the Berahino one you know some will drag but this one I think we thought we'd get it done bish bash bosh. Nobody says it doesn't happen at other clubs. It's that this happens every year with most deals at this club that is a bit wank! I just think it's pretty common with most clubs of our size in this league. It would've been nice to get a signing on the board by now and there are concerns, legitimate or not, at every step of the chain where transfers are concerned (why do our top targets seem to end up almost surplus to requirements within months, for example?), but I just don't think every last deal is down to error on our part. There are other factors involved. It's not just clubs of our size, it's all clubs. Look at how long it's taking Man Utd to get the Pogba deal over the line. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2016 8:57:32 GMT
No but like the Berahino one you know some will drag but this one I think we thought we'd get it done bish bash bosh. Nobody says it doesn't happen at other clubs. It's that this happens every year with most deals at this club that is a bit wank! I just think it's pretty common with most clubs of our size in this league. It would've been nice to get a signing on the board by now and there are concerns, legitimate or not, at every step of the chain where transfers are concerned (why do our top targets seem to end up almost surplus to requirements within months, for example?), but I just don't think every last deal is down to error on our part. There are other factors involved. Again nobody is saying there isn't! |
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Post by ryan4england on Jul 23, 2016 9:02:56 GMT
" stoke hope to push through a quick deal" I was suspicious the moment I read this It should be starting terms in 3 weeks then |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jul 23, 2016 9:07:13 GMT
I just think it's pretty common with most clubs of our size in this league. It would've been nice to get a signing on the board by now and there are concerns, legitimate or not, at every step of the chain where transfers are concerned (why do our top targets seem to end up almost surplus to requirements within months, for example?), but I just don't think every last deal is down to error on our part. There are other factors involved. It's not just clubs of our size, it's all clubs. Look at how long it's taking Man Utd to get the Pogba deal over the line. The 'noise' though always seems to seem assured he will end up at Utd not matter how long it takes where as our deals always don't 😁 |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 23, 2016 9:13:09 GMT
It's not just clubs of our size, it's all clubs. Look at how long it's taking Man Utd to get the Pogba deal over the line. The 'noise' though always seems to seem assured he will end up at Utd not matter how long it takes where as our deals always don't 😁 We frequently have landed players after long sagas though. And of course there's more confidence a player will end up at Man Utd. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 9:21:06 GMT
Looks like we did all we can with the allen deal. If he wants to go home fair enough to him.
Berahino, maybe I am confused but have we not been outbid? Nees says palace will pay 20 million up front. Ours is 17 million plus add ons so its game over isn't it?
Let palace blow that ridiculousamount of money. we should prioritise midfield and wide areas.
The real lesson is WE NEED TO START PRODUCING OUR OWN PLAYERS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 9:22:35 GMT
The 'noise' though always seems to seem assured he will end up at Utd not matter how long it takes where as our deals always don't 😁 We frequently have landed players after long sagas though. And of course there's more confidence a player will end up at Man Utd. There was no longer saga than Shaqiri, where Hughes went public stating he thought the player wasn't interested in joining us one iota. He signed 2 months later |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 23, 2016 9:25:01 GMT
Looks like we did all we can with the allen deal. If he wants to go home fair enough to him. Berahino, maybe I am confused but have we not been outbid? Nees says palace will pay 20 million up front. Ours is 17 million plus add ons so its game over isn't it? Let palace blow that ridiculousamount of money. we should prioritise midfield and wide areas. The real lesson is WE NEED TO START PRODUCING OUR OWN PLAYERS We need to start playing the game at some stage though and bite the bullet and start competing. Why the fuck are Palace blowing us out of the water? |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jul 23, 2016 9:34:43 GMT
Just up the bids by a couple of mill each and say take it or leave it. And move on.
A good test of how you rank Serahino is to imagine Pulis is saying he wants one of crouch Joselu or Diouf as well. Which, if any, would you include in a deal?
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 23, 2016 9:40:32 GMT
Just up the bids by a couple of mill each and say take it or leave it. And move on. A good test of how you rank Serahino is to imagine Pulis is saying he wants one of crouch Joselu or Diouf as well. Which, if any, would you include in a deal? I'd let him have Crouch (only because he is the oldest) and £5M. We have plenty of decent options up front. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 23, 2016 9:44:38 GMT
Looks like we did all we can with the allen deal. If he wants to go home fair enough to him. Berahino, maybe I am confused but have we not been outbid? Nees says palace will pay 20 million up front. Ours is 17 million plus add ons so its game over isn't it? Let palace blow that ridiculousamount of money. we should prioritise midfield and wide areas. The real lesson is WE NEED TO START PRODUCING OUR OWN PLAYERS We need to start playing the game at some stage though and bite the bullet and start competing. Why the fuck are Palace blowing us out of the water? I'd rather not buy than buy players for the sake of it. Over the past few years some clubs (Newcastle last year, Hull the year before) spent shed loads of cash on players and ended up going down. I'd rather not compete with the likes of Palace in the lets see who can go down with the biggest deficit competition. Palace had a poor end of season and what they're doing looks pretty desperate to me. Our transfer policy looks less spectacular but more considered. I would like to see us bringing players through but that's a longer term aim. If we did that now given where we are with player development we would struggle. Southampton are one of the few teams doing this successfully at the moment and they are at least a decade ahead of us in terms of putting things in place. |
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