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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 22, 2016 16:54:05 GMT
if Allen goes to Swansea it frees up Ki who Percy says we have previously bid from. To pay for Allen, the Swans may have to sell Sigurdsson to Everton. If the Toffees get Sigurdsson then they may sell Mcarthy to fund it who we are also rumoured to be interested in. There isn't a massive difference in quality between them(Allen, Mcarthy, Ki probably the order) and all 3 of them are more likely to play alongside Whelan rather than instead off him imho. Be interesting to see how this one develops.
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 22, 2016 16:55:46 GMT
We've offered him 70,000 grand a week and a 4 year contract.
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Post by charlesjefferson on Jul 22, 2016 16:57:01 GMT
if Allen goes to Swansea it frees up Ki who Percy says we have previously bid from. To pay for Allen, the Swans may have to sell Sigurdsson to Everton. If the Toffees get Sigurdsson then they may sell Mcarthy to fund it who we are also rumoured to be interested in. There isn't a massive difference in quality between them(Allen, Mcarthy, Ki probably the order) and all 3 of them are more likely to play alongside Whelan rather than instead off him imho. Be interesting to see how this one develops. Is that the Transfer Algorithm? |
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 22, 2016 17:04:27 GMT
if Allen goes to Swansea it frees up Ki who Percy says we have previously bid from. To pay for Allen, the Swans may have to sell Sigurdsson to Everton. If the Toffees get Sigurdsson then they may sell Mcarthy to fund it who we are also rumoured to be interested in. There isn't a massive difference in quality between them(Allen, Mcarthy, Ki probably the order) and all 3 of them are more likely to play alongside Whelan rather than instead off him imho. Be interesting to see how this one develops. Is that the Transfer Algorithm? Is that like the gravity crocodile |
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Post by burge2u on Jul 22, 2016 17:04:39 GMT
if Allen goes to Swansea it frees up Ki who Percy says we have previously bid from. To pay for Allen, the Swans may have to sell Sigurdsson to Everton. If the Toffees get Sigurdsson then they may sell Mcarthy to fund it who we are also rumoured to be interested in. There isn't a massive difference in quality between them(Allen, Mcarthy, Ki probably the order) and all 3 of them are more likely to play alongside Whelan rather than instead off him imho. Be interesting to see how this one develops. Is that the Transfer Algorithm? You didn't get where you are today by not knowing the difference between an algorithm and a conundrum. |
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Post by alster on Jul 22, 2016 17:21:26 GMT
If Swans offer matches ours I think we can forget it. I'm not even from there but I can see the attraction really nice area great for kids and families. So is cheshire in the footballers belt where he probably live now and wont have to move from if he signed for us? I know lots of them live there but it's not as good for an outdoorsy sort of family as the South Wales coast around Swansea. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 22, 2016 17:55:16 GMT
It will come down to which club offers him the most money.
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Post by Biblical on Jul 22, 2016 18:13:28 GMT
I find it odd that we have a recruitment department (a whole fucking department!) which is in some way absented from having 'selling the club' and getting deals done as part of its remit! Allen is on holiday and hasn't even spoken to us yet, if he goes to Swansea it will be obvious why and I don't think that could be pinned on the transfer team. |
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Post by petemac on Jul 22, 2016 18:18:26 GMT
Allen & Saido Berahino would be fine signings for us. But before these rumours I was thinking unless we get in some defensive cover we could well go down next season. Hope I'm wrong
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2016 18:19:23 GMT
Allen & Saido Berahino would be fine signings for us. But before these rumours I was thinking unless we get in some defensive cover we could well go down next season. Hope I'm wrong I suggest strapping on a tin hat |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2016 18:21:15 GMT
Would the people moaning at Scholes and the transfer team be happy if we signed players like Redmond but in the process dished out a reported £90k a week contracts in the process? I know I wouldn't be happy about it.
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Post by badger on Jul 22, 2016 18:22:48 GMT
Would the people moaning at Scholes and the transfer team be happy if we signed players like Redmond but in the process dished out a reported £90k a week contracts in the process? I know I wouldn't be happy about it. Said that on the Summer Window thread mate in response to Mr Biscuit, in particular relating to Redmond. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 22, 2016 18:23:37 GMT
I find it odd that we have a recruitment department (a whole fucking department!) which is in some way absented from having 'selling the club' and getting deals done as part of its remit! Allen is on holiday and hasn't even spoken to us yet, if he goes to Swansea it will be obvious why and I don't think that could be pinned on the transfer team. I see where you are coming from on this one, but it seems to happen on a lot of our proposed signings, doesn't it? I suppose that could simply be down to our targets being more in demand, though. Bastard frustrating, whatever the reason! |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2016 18:28:14 GMT
I find it odd that we have a recruitment department (a whole fucking department!) which is in some way absented from having 'selling the club' and getting deals done as part of its remit! Come on mate. This is a straw man argument in this case and you know it. I'm not talking just about this one, we still have a chance of sorts but you cannot deny that page 1 of the target list is in the bin. Surely we have to change something about what we're doing? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2016 18:28:57 GMT
Would the people moaning at Scholes and the transfer team be happy if we signed players like Redmond but in the process dished out a reported £90k a week contracts in the process? I know I wouldn't be happy about it. Said that on the Summer Window thread mate in response to Mr Biscuit, in particular relating to Redmond. Mr Biscuit and the others simply have.. No care for what money we spend/our finances. Little to no patience even though there's 5+ weeks of the window to go. Too bothered about what other clubs are doing regardless of the fact we finish above most of them consistently. Ignoring our record in the previous transfer windows of breaking our transfer record. I genuinely feel sorry for them, it's like their favourite hobby is to shout and rant about how shit Stoke are at everything when it's not the case. |
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Post by Biblical on Jul 22, 2016 18:30:02 GMT
Allen is on holiday and hasn't even spoken to us yet, if he goes to Swansea it will be obvious why and I don't think that could be pinned on the transfer team. I see where you are coming from on this one, but it seems to happen on a lot of our proposed signings, doesn't it? I suppose that could simply be down to our targets being more in demand, though. Bastard frustrating, whatever the reason! I think it comes with the territory of going after in demand players, if they've got anything about them then there's bound to be more than one side after them. It is frustrating though I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 18:36:37 GMT
I find it odd that we have a recruitment department (a whole fucking department!) which is in some way absented from having 'selling the club' and getting deals done as part of its remit! Allen is on holiday and hasn't even spoken to us yet, if he goes to Swansea it will be obvious why and I don't think that could be pinned on the transfer team. Stop talking sense. It's getting in the way of a good club bashing. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 18:38:40 GMT
Come on mate. This is a straw man argument in this case and you know it. I'm not talking just about this one, we still have a chance of sorts but you cannot deny that page 1 of the target list is in the bin. Surely we have to change something about what we're doing? I think from the sound of things, without knowing (none of us do) what's actually going on behind the scenes, it's probably true that there are things we could be doing better. It seems unfair to stick this one on the transfer team given the circumstances though, surely? If he wants to wait until he gets back from his holiday and at least hear from Swansea, what are they supposed to do, kidnap him? Equally, with the Berahino one, given the games Peace is playing and notorious for playing, it's surely more complex than 'Scholes and Carto are crap'? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2016 18:44:44 GMT
I'm not talking just about this one, we still have a chance of sorts but you cannot deny that page 1 of the target list is in the bin. Surely we have to change something about what we're doing? I think from the sound of things, without knowing (none of us do) what's actually going on behind the scenes, it's probably true that there are things we could be doing better. It seems unfair to stick this one on the transfer team given the circumstances though, surely? If he wants to wait until he gets back from his holiday and at least hear from Swansea, what are they supposed to do, kidnap him? Equally, with the Berahino one, given the games Peace is playing and notorious for playing, it's surely more complex than 'Scholes and Carto are crap'? I'm more thinking about accountability, Rob. Surely ultimately, when you have a whole recruitment dept and you're missing your main targets, the have to carry the can. All I'm hearing at the minute are excuses on their behalf. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 18:50:46 GMT
I think from the sound of things, without knowing (none of us do) what's actually going on behind the scenes, it's probably true that there are things we could be doing better. It seems unfair to stick this one on the transfer team given the circumstances though, surely? If he wants to wait until he gets back from his holiday and at least hear from Swansea, what are they supposed to do, kidnap him? Equally, with the Berahino one, given the games Peace is playing and notorious for playing, it's surely more complex than 'Scholes and Carto are crap'? I'm more thinking about accountability, Rob. Surely ultimately, when you have a whole recruitment dept and you're missing your main targets, the have to carry the can. All I'm hearing at the minute are excuses on their behalf. So are you saying Joe Allen might prefer to go back to his boyhood club, where he's been a star player for them before, is 'an excuse' and due to incompetence from our transfer team? Do you not think that's a shade unfair? |
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Post by datguy on Jul 22, 2016 18:53:11 GMT
Chris Bascombe has said Allen will be sold in the coming days.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 22, 2016 18:57:49 GMT
Chris Bascombe has said Allen will be sold in the coming days. To which SCFC? |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 22, 2016 19:08:58 GMT
The gower peninsula has the most beautiful coastline in the British Isles rivalled only by Cornwall. I would be amazed if he turned down the chance to live there in a luxury beach front property with his young family I doubt he's coming to Stoke but I don't blame MH for giving it a go. Never say never but its unlikely. We're sunk if Allen's wife sees this: www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-43857679.html |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2016 19:11:05 GMT
I'm more thinking about accountability, Rob. Surely ultimately, when you have a whole recruitment dept and you're missing your main targets, the have to carry the can. All I'm hearing at the minute are excuses on their behalf. So are you saying Joe Allen might prefer to go back to his boyhood club, where he's been a star player for them before, is 'an excuse' and due to incompetence from our transfer team? Do you not think that's a shade unfair? No, I just disagreed when you said that the transfer team had no role in persuasion if a players mind was seemingly made up. If we fail on this one it will add to an already concerning picture which suggests that we are either unable or unwilling to play the game virtually everyone else is. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 19:14:30 GMT
So are you saying Joe Allen might prefer to go back to his boyhood club, where he's been a star player for them before, is 'an excuse' and due to incompetence from our transfer team? Do you not think that's a shade unfair? No, I just disagreed when you said that the transfer team had no role in persuasion if a players mind was seemingly made up. If we fail on this one it will add to an already concerning picture which suggests that we are either unable or unwilling to play the game virtually everyone else is. Where did I say that sorry? I've been talking about this specific deal throughout the entire thread. My point has been that there are some circumstances where no amount of 'selling the club' will work. This might be one of them. You seem determined to blame the transfer team for every single aspect of the window, irrespective of different circumstances in different deals. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 22, 2016 19:20:29 GMT
No, I just disagreed when you said that the transfer team had no role in persuasion if a players mind was seemingly made up. If we fail on this one it will add to an already concerning picture which suggests that we are either unable or unwilling to play the game virtually everyone else is. Where did I say that sorry? I've been talking about this specific deal throughout the entire thread. My point has been that there are some circumstances where no amount of 'selling the club' will work. This might be one of them. You seem determined to blame the transfer team for every single aspect of the window, irrespective of different circumstances in different deals. You said 'what can they do' in your first reply. We have a Welsh Legend at the helm for starters. Are you pleased with our recruitment dept. performance so far this season? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 19:23:29 GMT
Where did I say that sorry? I've been talking about this specific deal throughout the entire thread. My point has been that there are some circumstances where no amount of 'selling the club' will work. This might be one of them. You seem determined to blame the transfer team for every single aspect of the window, irrespective of different circumstances in different deals. You said 'what can they do' in your first reply. We have a Welsh Legend at the helm for starters. Are you pleased with our recruitment dept. performance so far this season? Yeah, 'what can they do' if he wants to go back to Swansea. As I keep saying, it's possible no amount of selling the club will work. Do you accept that or not? I'm reserving judgement on our recruitment until Sep 1st. There's one or two things I'm a bit worried about. But do we really have to scramble round inventing things to bash them for in every single potential deal? Not all deals are the same and not all of them are going to be a piece of piss to deal with or necessarily be our fault. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 22, 2016 19:27:34 GMT
Allen could just about be seen as the long term Whelan replacement that we want, but I'm seriously concerned by the links to Ki and McCarthy. They're good players, but nothing like what we need. There have not yet been any real, substantiative links to the types of player that were desperately in need of, specifically a physical destroyer for the midfield, a back up left back and three centre backs.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 22, 2016 19:32:43 GMT
Allen could just about be seen as the long term Whelan replacement that we want, but I'm seriously concerned by the links to Ki and McCarthy. They're good players, but nothing like what we need. There have not yet been any real, substantiative links to the types of player that were desperately in need of, specifically a physical destroyer for the midfield, a back up left back and three centre backs. There wasn't any substantiative links to joe Allen before Wednesday. Truth is no one knows what's going on. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 22, 2016 19:33:24 GMT
The SCFC website is as much use as a one armed taxi driver with crabs. Nothing absolutely about any transfer targets that feature on BBC Football Stoke City page.........Offer of £13m accepted by Liverpool for Allen, Stoke offer West Brom £20m for Berahino and Sobhi close to Stoke move. In fact the website is up there with the Sentinel for uselessness. Are you taking the piss? Why would Stoke post transfer news on their own website? As I said its posted all over BBC and probably numerous other places except the official website. So it isn't exactly top secret stuff is it? |
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