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Post by ElworthPotter on Jul 22, 2016 10:54:50 GMT
How can Swansea bidding mean us fucking around? Bids gone in, been accepted, player isn't there so can't go any further. If Swansea are now preparing a bid that's a separate matter and we can't stop them doing so. If Joe Allen wants to go home to Swansea he wants to go home to Swansea and again that's nothing to do with us More money or go home? We know what he'd choose. No we don't. If you're offered say £50,000 a week and have a real desire to go and live in your home town, and a club not all that different but miles away from where you want to be offers you £55,000 a week is that really going to make all that much difference in your mind? |
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 22, 2016 10:59:00 GMT
I genuinely believe that Leslie is the key man here.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 11:02:35 GMT
We can't force him to sign Nath. The self styled best recruitment team in the business can surely? Short of putting a sheep's head in his bed, Tom Hagen and Paul McKenna combined can't make a player. He might sign, he might not. Not everything is down to bumbling incompetence. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 11:03:02 GMT
We can't force him to sign Nath. But we can offer him more money. I don't care what anyone says we're a much more attractive option than Swans. Money isn't everything. |
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 22, 2016 11:04:35 GMT
But we can offer him more money. I don't care what anyone says we're a much more attractive option than Swans. Money isn't everything. We both know that's not the thinking point of a pro footballer. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 22, 2016 11:10:17 GMT
We both know that's not the thinking point of a pro footballer. I really think that's massively overplayed and in many cases just flat out not true. It's a major factor but not the only one. Players want to win things. It's a short career and they want the best chance of getting as many honours as they can and proving themselves at the highest level. Regular football is another factor. Location is often another, like the Charlie Austin deal. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 22, 2016 11:11:22 GMT
Hmm. Not getting good vibes about this one. Can't see us being a sufficiently more attractive option for him to over-ride the home town move. Their new money men aren't popular and this would be a very nice way to get the fans on side. And even if they aren't prepared to match, Allen knows he could just sit tight and make it happen in January. |
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Post by skip on Jul 22, 2016 11:11:46 GMT
Do you know, as soon as I saw Sparky was at the Wales semi, I thought he might be there to talk to Joe Allen. And I'm not even psychic.  |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jul 22, 2016 11:14:36 GMT
I genuinely believe that Leslie is the key man here. Why? Because he's Welsh? There's a whole city of welshman in Swansea. I hope Joe Allen will come here I really do, but don't think he will if Swansea are in for him |
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Post by skip on Jul 22, 2016 11:26:20 GMT
I genuinely believe that Leslie is the key man here. Why? Because he's Welsh? There's a whole city of welshman in Swansea. I hope Joe Allen will come here I really do, but don't think he will if Swansea are in for him Yes, but Stoke City are managed by a Welshman with a great reputation and respected in the game. This might mean more to Joe Allen than whoever is in charge of Swansea. Plus, whether he sees Swansea or Stoke as the team most likely to recognise his talents in the short to medium term. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 22, 2016 11:30:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 11:35:07 GMT
Fancy your chances do you Mr Jenkins?  |
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Post by liamo on Jul 22, 2016 11:37:33 GMT
He might actually choose to come here, forgetting that he's from there which is a more attractive situation? We could pay him the same wages (if not a bit more) we've got a team full of talent just waiting to be unleashed when things fall in to place and it's looking very likely that they'll be losing their best player this window after looking like relegation contenders last season
If you look at it simply then yeah, the welsh lad rejoining his boyhood club looks already done, if you weigh up all the positives and negatives he'd be stupid to join them over us imo, it really does come down to how linked he is to Swansea, how willing he is to look past all the bad stuff
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 22, 2016 11:38:39 GMT
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Post by liamo on Jul 22, 2016 11:44:04 GMT
Wouldn't fill me with confidence if i was a Swansea fan:
"Over the next week or 10 days things may move on, but we must remember we have a full complement of midfield players as it is.
"We're still in the hunt. Joe is one of our players and we'll keep that open for as long as we can.
"I think £13 million is probably a high valuation for a player with a year left in his contract. But with the market as it is, we've all seen some values put on players, it's not unrealistic.
"It's a high valuation, but the market has gone that way."
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Post by hamptonpig on Jul 22, 2016 11:45:20 GMT
If he's that much of a fan though, he'll go there won't he?
Think about it from your perspective (and bear in mind money is almost irrelevent - you've earned enough to keep you in Titanic and oatcakes for life) -
You're playing for West Ham (for example) but not getting much game time under the new manager.
They accept a bid from Everton for you but there's talk that Stoke want you too.
You would just sit and wait for the Stoke offer wouldn't you? If it was anyway remotely near what Everton were offering then you'd come back to Stoke. Near your family, your roots and playing for your boyhood club. Surely?
I know I would.
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Post by cozmick on Jul 22, 2016 11:47:28 GMT
There is no doubt in my mind that Pete's todger is exponentially larger than what Huw Jenkins has to offer.
I'm optimistic.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jul 22, 2016 11:48:54 GMT
If he's that much of a fan though, he'll go there won't he? Think about it from your perspective (and bear in mind money is almost irrelevent - you've earned enough to keep you in Titanic and oatcakes for life) - You're playing for West Ham (for example) but not getting much game time under the new manager. They accept a bid from Everton for you but there's talk that Stoke want you too. You would just sit and wait for the Stoke offer wouldn't you? If it was anyway remotely near what Everton were offering then you'd come back to Stoke. Near your family, your roots and playing for your boyhood club. Surely? I know I would. Agreed. It would take a proper big club to make me pick anyone but Stoke. Unfortunately, I think that chance is gone  |
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Post by stockportstokie on Jul 22, 2016 11:50:50 GMT
I was gonna say I'd be 1) astonished if Swansea didn't make a bid & 2) astonished if he didn't want to go back to Swansea. We'd have to offer a lot of wonga for him to choose us imo. As someone said earlier, if this was Wilko for instance we all know what his decision would be.
Would Westwood of Villa not be worth a punt?
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Post by Sven on Jul 22, 2016 11:50:54 GMT
Do you know, as soon as I saw Sparky was at the Wales semi, I thought he might be there to talk to Joe Allen. And I'm not even psychic. need to find out if the camera just caught sparky mid blink or if that's a cheeky wink, if it's a cheeky wink he's ours. Anyone got a view from the other side |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 22, 2016 11:52:23 GMT
If you're Joe Allen reading those comments, it hardly makes him feel wanted.
You've got one club who have slapped in a 13 million bid and eager to sign the player.
Another saying "yeahhhh, we're potentially interested in him.....if we can shift a player or two first......and we're not sure he's worth that much money either.......we'll see what happens...."
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Post by Biblical on Jul 22, 2016 11:55:27 GMT
I think this one could go either way, if Swansea match our bid I certainly don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he'll end up at Swansea.
I'd imagine we'll be able to offer him a very attractive package, I think Hughes has got the ability to convince him and ultimately I think that our team is stronger than Swansea's so in terms of finance and the quality of the team we're the better option.
The only thing that could swing it in Swansea's favour is that he's going back to his hometown club but that might not be enough.There's rumours of Everton making a £25 million bid for Sigurdsson and if he goes they'll struggle to replace him, given they've let 3 strikers go this summer they're also going to need to substanial funds to replace them if they want to sign anyone of quality.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jul 22, 2016 12:01:48 GMT
Yeah Swansea actually fucked up and wasted a lot of money under both Laudrup & especially Monk. Dunno if these new Yanks are prepared to spend but they've spent a lot of time getting rid of deadwood. They can't match us financially unless they're stupid.
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Post by rawli on Jul 22, 2016 12:02:00 GMT
Swansea have just got new owners. They'll want to start to get supporters onside. Bringing in a home favourite is just the ticket.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 22, 2016 12:05:39 GMT
We're going to end with Ki aren't we? Maybe that's been the plan all along? Or am I giving us too much credit? |
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Post by wuzza on Jul 22, 2016 12:07:06 GMT
Strongly suspect that this will be a family motivated thing as much as anything. If his Mrs wants to get back nearer her folks when bringing up a young family that is going to have a tremendously strong influence.
I fear that yet again we are wasting inordinate amounts of time and effort tilting at the wrong targets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 12:07:54 GMT
We're going to end with Ki aren't we? Maybe that's been the plan all along? Or am I giving us too much credit? That wouldn't be a bad signing. He's more than competent on an average day and very good on his day. Good player. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 22, 2016 12:09:01 GMT
We're going to end with Ki aren't we? Maybe that's been the plan all along? Or am I giving us too much credit? I don't think you're far off tbh. Ki is decent but I don't see him adding anything if he came and we can do better. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 22, 2016 12:09:09 GMT
We're going to end with Ki aren't we? Maybe that's been the plan all along? Or am I giving us too much credit? He's a much better player. No DM but a better player. |
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 22, 2016 12:13:46 GMT
We're going to end with Ki aren't we? Maybe that's been the plan all along? Or am I giving us too much credit? That wouldn't be a bad signing. He's more than competent on an average day and very good on his day. Good player. Don't get me wrong, I really like Ki. I think he's an excellent player. Not sure he's the type of player we need though. Not sure Allen is completely, but I think he'd be a better fit at the minute. |
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