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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 21, 2016 12:09:19 GMT
1. It really depends what we're looking for. Are we looking for a pure holding midfielder or is that role evolving in the Premier League and we're actually looking for a Kante type who does more than that? 2. I don't think I am suggesting that, no. I'm suggesting that the role is possibly revolving and we aren't seeing as many out and out holding midfielders in the league. Perhaps the decline of possession football and rise of the counter attacking game has demanded a bit of a change in the requirements of the role? 3. Are we saying that there's no chance at all Imbula can't develop a defensive aspect to his game? He's been here six months, he was clearly signed as the new Nzonzi, I'd be very surprised if we were giving up on that already? Well we don't know the answers to any of those questions, it's all speculation based on what Hughes may or may not do. I'm just saying that Joe Allen isn't a straight like for like replacement for Whelan - I think we can agree on that. The role that Whelan currently plays in the side may (as you say) change or the role may stay the same and it will be Allen who will have to get used to playing a new position. Or Allen will continue playing where he is accustomed to and he isn't seen as a replacement for Glenn at all. Absolutely Paul. Whether or not he is capable of playing the Whelan role, I'd be astonished if he started in place of anyone else if he does end up signing. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 21, 2016 12:10:04 GMT
Well we don't know the answers to any of those questions, it's all speculation based on what Hughes may or may not do. I'm just saying that Joe Allen isn't a straight like for like replacement for Whelan - I think we can agree on that. The role that Whelan currently plays in the side may (as you say) change or the role may stay the same and it will be Allen who will have to get used to playing a new position. Or Allen will continue playing where he is accustomed to and he isn't seen as a replacement for Glenn at all. Absolutely Paul. Whether or not he is capable of playing the Whelan role, I'd be astonished if he started in place of anyone else if he does end up signing. Depends on the formation surely? And if Arnie leaves? |
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jul 21, 2016 12:11:59 GMT
Sorry to distract from the very important bitching /bickering about each other's opinions but Talkshite just said that Allen is expected to move to Stoke...
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Jul 21, 2016 12:14:14 GMT
A bit of info I have just received....
Joe Allen has just rented a very plush property on the outskirts of Congleton for three years. It was rented just before the euros though.
Don't know if this makes a blind bit of difference as I'm sure he could just as easily relocate if needs be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 12:17:03 GMT
My take on it all is that Joe Allen will sign for Swansea. He's their first choice and he wants to go to them. Must admit, that was my thought too. £13m is a pretty attainable fee for any Prem club if they wanted to; but Swansea are one of those clubs that have always seemed reluctant to splash their cash (or maybe that's just my perception). If I remember rightly we have been one of a number of clubs linked with him and, if Allen thinks there's a chance Swansea, or a Leicester/Southampton/West Ham come calling then he'd possibly move there. You kind of get the feeling that he won't be short of options this summer? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 21, 2016 12:17:52 GMT
Yeah those 7 goals he scored last season we could do without. Contrary? Kettle? Pot? Fact? No need for meltdown |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 21, 2016 12:18:19 GMT
A bit of info I have just received.... Joe Allen has just rented a very plush property on the outskirts of Congleton for three years. It was rented just before the euros though. Don't know if this makes a blind bit of difference as I'm sure he could just as easily relocate if needs be. Maybe he likes drinking in The Young Pretender |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 21, 2016 12:19:17 GMT
Absolutely Paul. Whether or not he is capable of playing the Whelan role, I'd be astonished if he started in place of anyone else if he does end up signing. Depends on the formation surely? And if Arnie leaves? What does Arnie leaving have to do with the price of fish sorry? Whatever Cheesefreex would like, I don't see 3-5-2 happening. |
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 21, 2016 12:19:44 GMT
I'm starting to come around to this kind of thinking myself. I'd love for us to sign someone who has made a career out of sitting in front of the back four, but there just doesn't seem to be enough of them (who are good enough) to go around anymore. A Joe Allen type seems like the next logical step. At the moment Pickles (and based on what I've seen and know of all four players) if I was picking a midfield three it would be Whelan, Allen and then one of Imbula OR Bojan. Obviously though you would think the plan is to have both Imbula and Bojan starting. Pretty much yeah. As Rob has said though, a lot depends on Imbula buying into the role he's been signed to play a bit more than he has. Not ideal I must admit but that's where we're at. If he doesn't then it's looking like Bojan may be the one missing out imo. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 21, 2016 12:20:01 GMT
if tony scholes and co are right that £13 million is a fair price to pay for someone with a year left on his contract then why don't they apply the same logic to selling players with a year left on their contact ? You do realise that the transfer market has gone a bit mad this year don't you? |
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Jul 21, 2016 12:21:48 GMT
A bit of info I have just received.... Joe Allen has just rented a very plush property on the outskirts of Congleton for three years. It was rented just before the euros though. Don't know if this makes a blind bit of difference as I'm sure he could just as easily relocate if needs be. Maybe he likes drinking in The Young Pretender Good pub that is Hackett lad, some proper ale in there. |
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Post by discokaraoke on Jul 21, 2016 12:26:57 GMT
The bookies are a good indicator on how things are moving and Stoke are 1/5 and Swansea are 7/2 atm.
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Post by ryan4england on Jul 21, 2016 12:29:18 GMT
Is there anything concrete saying he prefers swansea? Going back to a former club isn't always the best option
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Post by baystokie on Jul 21, 2016 12:31:43 GMT
The bookies are a good indicator on how things are moving and Stoke are 1/5 and Swansea are 7/2 atm. Pardon my ignorance of betting but doesn't the bookies' price just reflect the amount of money that is being laid so they adjust the price to cover their arris? Of course, it could be that a lot of that money IS being laid on Stoke by people who are ITK? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 21, 2016 12:32:52 GMT
Maybe he likes drinking in The Young Pretender Good pub that is Hackett lad, some proper ale in there. Yeah thinking about it he's grown a craft beer beard lately too so I'm definitely going with it. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 21, 2016 12:33:46 GMT
Fact? No need for meltdown So Bojan was excellent last year? |
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Post by hollywood on Jul 21, 2016 12:34:25 GMT
A bit of info I have just received.... Joe Allen has just rented a very plush property on the outskirts of Congleton for three years. It was rented just before the euros though. Don't know if this makes a blind bit of difference as I'm sure he could just as easily relocate if needs be. That's a bit "Lee Trundle" sounding in the information stakes for me... |
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Post by mosquito on Jul 21, 2016 12:34:37 GMT
Is there anything concrete saying he prefers swansea? Going back to a former club isn't always the best option He grew up about 30-40 mins away from Swansea. I imagine it is a bit like Wilko having the choice of Stoke or Swansea. If Swansea put in a bid that is! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 12:36:40 GMT
Is there anything concrete saying he prefers swansea? Going back to a former club isn't always the best option Especially if that old club are one of the potential relegation contenders for next season. Heard something on the radio re: Sigurdsson attracting interest and he's probably their best player. Plus we'd blow them out of the water wages-wise wouldn't we? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 12:37:59 GMT
Well we don't know the answers to any of those questions, it's all speculation based on what Hughes may or may not do. I'm just saying that Joe Allen isn't a straight like for like replacement for Whelan - I think we can agree on that. The role that Whelan currently plays in the side may (as you say) change or the role may stay the same and it will be Allen who will have to get used to playing a new position. Or Allen will continue playing where he is accustomed to and he isn't seen as a replacement for Glenn at all. Absolutely Paul. Whether or not he is capable of playing the Whelan role, I'd be astonished if he started in place of anyone else if he does end up signing. He'd probably make a better CH than Wollscheid to be fair  |
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Post by ryan4england on Jul 21, 2016 12:38:55 GMT
Is there anything concrete saying he prefers swansea? Going back to a former club isn't always the best option Especially if that old club are one of the potential relegation contenders for next season. Heard something on the radio re: Sigurdsson attracting interest and he's probably their best player. Plus we'd blow them out of the water wages-wise wouldn't we? Agreed, Especially if we beat them on wages, if he still then chooses to go to Swansea then there isn't a lot we can do about this one I suppose |
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Post by KevinWhimper on Jul 21, 2016 12:38:58 GMT
Is there anything concrete saying he prefers swansea? Going back to a former club isn't always the best option Especially if that old club are one of the potential relegation contenders for next season. Heard something on the radio re: Sigurdsson attracting interest and he's probably their best player. Plus we'd blow them out of the water wages-wise wouldn't we?Why would we? Similar sized club to ours with similar TV money. I think most prem clubs can offer very good money these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 12:41:03 GMT
Especially if that old club are one of the potential relegation contenders for next season. Heard something on the radio re: Sigurdsson attracting interest and he's probably their best player. Plus we'd blow them out of the water wages-wise wouldn't we? Agreed, Especially if we beat them on wages, if he still then chooses to go to Swansea then there isn't a lot we can do about this one I suppose No, if we lost out to them then you couldn't have any complaints if that's what he wanted. |
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Post by ryan4england on Jul 21, 2016 12:42:06 GMT
It could come down to ambition and which direction he sees each club heading in, if we do have £80 million to spend we're a good option.
Always thought the hometown club thing was something you do at the end of your career
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 21, 2016 12:42:26 GMT
Any news Cilla?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 21, 2016 12:50:03 GMT
if tony scholes and co are right that £13 million is a fair price to pay for someone with a year left on his contract then why don't they apply the same logic to selling players with a year left on their contact ? Because the inflated prices weren't happening then, a lot can change in a year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 12:54:28 GMT
Is there anything concrete saying he prefers swansea? Going back to a former club isn't always the best option He grew up about 30-40 mins away from Swansea. I imagine it is a bit like Wilko having the choice of Stoke or Swansea. If Swansea put in a bid that is! Let's face facts. It's all about who offers the most wages. |
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 21, 2016 12:58:44 GMT
He grew up about 30-40 mins away from Swansea. I imagine it is a bit like Wilko having the choice of Stoke or Swansea. If Swansea put in a bid that is! Let's face facts. It's all about who offers the most wages. Absolutely don't confuse this game with one that revolves around loyalty |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 21, 2016 12:58:57 GMT
Fact? No need for meltdown So Bojan was excellent last year? Have you considered a career in politics? I'll counter your answer with a question with another question, did he score 7 goals by fluke? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 21, 2016 13:01:03 GMT
You just know we'll end up with Ki when the Welsh bastards steal him from us.
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