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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:16:54 GMT
You are right of course OI! What's going on here?......behave or go to the naughty corner Sorry Miss ....
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on May 5, 2017 12:17:14 GMT
It is schoolboy nonsense and posturing. It is also another not so well hidden attempt to influence the French elections. It is not surprising that over the last few weeks that the idea of Frexit has grown amongst the voters that suddenly the pro-EU candidate changes tact and talks about guaranteeing "hard changes in the EU" for French interests. This is despite his earlier stance of treating Le Penn's similar stance earlier in the campaign with distain. Suddenly, despite polls looking like a good win for Macron, the EU are espousing the French language as a rising influence and 'stirring' up support for the French cause by speaking in French whilst intentionally dismissing English, purely because they want to remove the element of doubt that their 'Man' wins. Considering that English is the business language of the world it is so thinly veiled it is laughable. This will only serve to increase support for May during the voting and negotiations. It is interesting that the EU as an institution do openly engage in supposedly independent Sovereign State election campaigns. Not neutrally but no one seems to comment on this?? They do, but it is swept under the carpet. As the local elections are being released today, no doubt securing a large conservative increase, these events will jumped on by the Conservative think tank to reinforce the 'bullying' nature of the EU leadership. Watch out from tomorrow onwards.... It is something that |I would use to my advantage. If I as Le Penn, I would also use it to reinforce the negative idea of EU interference in French interests too.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 5, 2017 12:38:44 GMT
It is interesting that the EU as an institution do openly engage in supposedly independent Sovereign State election campaigns. Not neutrally but no one seems to comment on this?? They do, but it is swept under the carpet. As the local elections are being released today, no doubt securing a large conservative increase, these events will jumped on by the Conservative think tank to reinforce the 'bullying' nature of the EU leadership. Watch out from tomorrow onwards.... It is something that |I would use to my advantage. If I as Le Penn, I would also use it to reinforce the negative idea of EU interference in French interests too. Might as well. I can't find the link now but Macron used a video of a BBC interview with UK Leave voters who had changed their minds about Brexit. Poor spin. Personally I don't think there will be a deal. The EU just can't afford to show leaving the EU is actually not too bad. If the deal is kind of OK for the UK and kind of OK for the EU then that's not a big enough deterrent for other states. Remember Italy still has a 'temporary' Prime Minister because they dare not risk a GE because of the 5 Star anti EU party. I think the EU has to cut it's nose off to spite it's face. It'll be hard for them to sell that idea to 500 million voters so they'll push and push and push the UK knowing that we have limited patience. When we eventually walk away they can blame a 'hard Brexit' on us and progress to an ever closer Union.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 5, 2017 13:36:45 GMT
You make an interesting point Mary that I've wanted to pick up on for a while but haven't had the time. I'd be genuinely interested to hear the Remainers response to this; Once a person puts themselves forward as a " politician", inevitably they are open ti abuse. Goes with the territory and us Brurs are good at inflicting the abuse/ criticism, irrespective of parties...Corbyn, Abbot, Osborne, Clegg, Farage, Cameron etc etc. Everyone gets their fair share. In the eyes of the Remainers it seems to me that the EU politicians are beyond criticism as INDIVIDUALS...they must be OK because they are the EU. Thus is the default position. Really it reflects their anonymity and remoteness from our electorate, their induvidual unnacountability, lack of any effective opposition and is actually an affront to true democracy Brainwashing through universities and schools ? + media bias due to eu strong connection with large corporations How do you define 'brainwashing' when it comes to universities and schools?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 5, 2017 13:57:30 GMT
EU politicians are probably as bad as UK politicians - we're just more interested in UK politicians, so we know more, and we see them warts and all. I'm sure a group of EU politicians is made up of roughly the same type of person as the UK politicians - plenty of cunts, knobs and arseholes, with the odd decent person thrown in for good measure. Thats my point though Rip....infact I think that they are much much worse than our lot, certainly do not have the interests of the UK at heart AND are unnacountable and beyond criticism in their self congratulatory bubble.And yet Remainers want to give away our birthright to them...I was looking for some defence in favour of this deceptive creation. I honestly believe that most people who are blindly and totally in favour of the EU ( in the UK) do not really know what is going on. I don't blame them for this, I think that they are right and have enough on, trying to get our lot to behave with leadership, justice, fairness etc, which most people want...why should they try to understand a system that's not even meant to be a political democracy as we understand it, but a bureaucratic administrative quango, beyond reproach in their mission for ever closer union, laughing at and despising the ordinary citizen. Still, better the devil you DON'T know, eh. On an individual basis I doubt they're much worse or better to be honest. What makes you think they're worse? I imagine there's some vermin, and some good - with the former outweighing the latter. Of course they don't have solely the UK's interest in mind, they are a multi-national organisation. Some things work on a higher level than national level, and the EU is one of them. Just because the executive is from the non-elected branch it doesn't make the unnaccountable or beyond criticism. Thy are accountable to the EU Parliament, who can dissolve the Commission at any point with a vote of no-confidence. The reason we know nothing about the EU is because no-one can be arsed to learn about it. From my experience not that many people know about UK politics, but luckily ignorance isn't a reason to get rid of something otherwise we'd be in danger of getting rid of parliament.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:00:29 GMT
Brainwashing through universities and schools ? + media bias due to eu strong connection with large corporations How do you define 'brainwashing' when it comes to universities and schools? Literature from the european parliament / european Commission that has been sent to schools which is massively pro eu slanted without any balance from the other side
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 5, 2017 14:04:22 GMT
Thats my point though Rip....infact I think that they are much much worse than our lot, certainly do not have the interests of the UK at heart AND are unnacountable and beyond criticism in their self congratulatory bubble.And yet Remainers want to give away our birthright to them...I was looking for some defence in favour of this deceptive creation. I honestly believe that most people who are blindly and totally in favour of the EU ( in the UK) do not really know what is going on. I don't blame them for this, I think that they are right and have enough on, trying to get our lot to behave with leadership, justice, fairness etc, which most people want...why should they try to understand a system that's not even meant to be a political democracy as we understand it, but a bureaucratic administrative quango, beyond reproach in their mission for ever closer union, laughing at and despising the ordinary citizen. Still, better the devil you DON'T know, eh. On an individual basis I doubt they're much worse or better to be honest. What makes you think they're worse? I imagine there's some vermin, and some good - with the former outweighing the latter. Of course they don't have solely the UK's interest in mind, they are a multi-national organisation. Some things work on a higher level than national level, and the EU is one of them. Just because the executive is from the non-elected branch it doesn't make the unnaccountable or beyond criticism. Thy are accountable to the EU Parliament, who can dissolve the Commission at any point with a vote of no-confidence. The reason we know nothing about the EU is because no-one can be arsed to learn about it. From my experience not that many people know about UK politics, but luckily ignorance isn't a reason to get rid of something otherwise we'd be in danger of getting rid of parliament. The EU parliament is a self congratulatory club..they don't want or allow debate...if people like Farage says somethinh it is basically just ignored....this is how it is designed and on all my visits its lived up to expectations....dont be fooled because it is called 'Parliament .Decisions are made elsewhere and power lies elsewhere...you are correct people who make pronouncements about it do need to scrutinise it more. Personally I don't think the onus should be on the British electorate to find out about every aspect of the EU, as the very thing is deliberately secret....i will continue this later, but busy now
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 5, 2017 14:07:26 GMT
How do you define 'brainwashing' when it comes to universities and schools? Literature from the european parliament / european Commission that has been sent to schools which is massively pro eu slanted without any balance from the other side On what subject?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 5, 2017 14:23:46 GMT
On an individual basis I doubt they're much worse or better to be honest. What makes you think they're worse? I imagine there's some vermin, and some good - with the former outweighing the latter. Of course they don't have solely the UK's interest in mind, they are a multi-national organisation. Some things work on a higher level than national level, and the EU is one of them. Just because the executive is from the non-elected branch it doesn't make the unnaccountable or beyond criticism. Thy are accountable to the EU Parliament, who can dissolve the Commission at any point with a vote of no-confidence. The reason we know nothing about the EU is because no-one can be arsed to learn about it. From my experience not that many people know about UK politics, but luckily ignorance isn't a reason to get rid of something otherwise we'd be in danger of getting rid of parliament. The LU parliament is a self congratulatory club..they don't want or allow debate...if people like Farage says somethinh it is basically just ignored....this is how it is designed and on all my visits its lived up to expectations....dont be fooled because it is called 'Parliament .Decisions are made elsewhere and power lies elsewhere...you are correct people who make pronouncements about it do need to scrutinise it more. Personally I don't think the onus should be on the British electorate to find out about every aspect of the EU, as the very thing is deliberately secret....i will continue this later, but busy now As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:59:00 GMT
Literature from the european parliament / european Commission that has been sent to schools which is massively pro eu slanted without any balance from the other side On what subject? Promotion of the European Union ....painting it as flawless Meanwhile some universities are blocking any opposing views of the eu The eu have spent a lot of tax payers money on this propaganda. I wonder why these lecturers are stopping any anti eu debate on their campus? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 5, 2017 15:11:31 GMT
The LU parliament is a self congratulatory club..they don't want or allow debate...if people like Farage says somethinh it is basically just ignored....this is how it is designed and on all my visits its lived up to expectations....dont be fooled because it is called 'Parliament .Decisions are made elsewhere and power lies elsewhere...you are correct people who make pronouncements about it do need to scrutinise it more. Personally I don't think the onus should be on the British electorate to find out about every aspect of the EU, as the very thing is deliberately secret....i will continue this later, but busy now As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round. Did you not know? Farage became an MEP to remove the UK from the EU. I think he's done his job ;-)
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 5, 2017 15:22:02 GMT
As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round. Did you not know? Farage became an MEP to remove the UK from the EU. I think he's done his job ;-) Farage became leader of UKIP to remove the UK from the EU - job done. He was elected as an MEP to represent Britain in the Parliament, but he couldn't be arsed to turn up most of the time. He is a fantastic protester but an awful politician. Hence, British people have never trust him in the UK Parliament.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 5, 2017 16:08:22 GMT
Did you not know? Farage became an MEP to remove the UK from the EU. I think he's done his job ;-) Farage became leader of UKIP to remove the UK from the EU - job done. He was elected as an MEP to represent Britain in the Parliament, but he couldn't be arsed to turn up most of the time. He is a fantastic protester but an awful politician. Hence, British people have never trust him in the UK Parliament.Just like Jeremy Corbyn then, and nothing like Theresa May
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 5, 2017 16:30:39 GMT
The LU parliament is a self congratulatory club..they don't want or allow debate...if people like Farage says somethinh it is basically just ignored....this is how it is designed and on all my visits its lived up to expectations....dont be fooled because it is called 'Parliament .Decisions are made elsewhere and power lies elsewhere...you are correct people who make pronouncements about it do need to scrutinise it more. Personally I don't think the onus should be on the British electorate to find out about every aspect of the EU, as the very thing is deliberately secret....i will continue this later, but busy now As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round. Rip You really seriously need to get an understanding of the EU parliament.How it actually works, as opposed to how you presume it to work. As others have said Farage has delivered his mandate, elected by the British people to do exactly what he has achieved. You don't seem to want to understand this institution called the EU. The EU parliament is not IN PRACTICE a debating nor a decision making chamber. Forget Farage for the moment ( although you have proved my point that UK politicians are targets for personal criticism yet EU politicians, since they take no personal responsibility and are effectively administrators of the mantra are exempt from criticism ) from an earlier thread I dare you to Have a listen to that great Labour democrat Benn ( not Farage ) explaining the process many years ago, he is telling the truth Or listen to the great speech of Galloway who is FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO FARAGE, but basically has exactly the same message as Farage in respect of the EU. Facing up to this is something that the so called left's ground troops are unable to do.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 5, 2017 18:16:48 GMT
The LU parliament is a self congratulatory club..they don't want or allow debate...if people like Farage says somethinh it is basically just ignored....this is how it is designed and on all my visits its lived up to expectations....dont be fooled because it is called 'Parliament .Decisions are made elsewhere and power lies elsewhere...you are correct people who make pronouncements about it do need to scrutinise it more. Personally I don't think the onus should be on the British electorate to find out about every aspect of the EU, as the very thing is deliberately secret....i will continue this later, but busy now As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round. Could you tell me HOW we influence or remove our leader, Angela Merkel, or any of the other very important people refered to below? European Council president – Donald Tusk European Commission president – Jean-Claude Juncker Presidency of the Council of the EU Make no mistake if we had stayed in the EU in 15 or 20 years time the then German "leader"(sorry about that ) would be OUR leader, and we would be a region in the United States of Europe, with a common currency of the Euro. ( see the Five Presidents' Report) I don't want that, and I believe that the majority of ordinary Brits don't want it, but they have not been told the truth.....thats not Little Englander mentality, but having the right to have a say in your own identity and future. It cannot be put better than Galloway ( absolutely fundamentally opposed to Farage) in the previous post
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 5, 2017 20:47:53 GMT
Many explanations in life are actually very simple, until some people want to twist things because they just cannot accept not getting their own way:
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 21:39:08 GMT
Many explanations in life are actually very simple, until some people want to twist things because they just cannot accept not getting their own way: Absolutely right .
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 6, 2017 12:32:53 GMT
As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round. Rip You really seriously need to get an understanding of the EU parliament.How it actually works, as opposed to how you presume it to work. As others have said Farage has delivered his mandate, elected by the British people to do exactly what he has achieved. You don't seem to want to understand this institution called the EU. The EU parliament is not IN PRACTICE a debating nor a decision making chamber. Forget Farage for the moment ( although you have proved my point that UK politicians are targets for personal criticism yet EU politicians, since they take no personal responsibility and are effectively administrators of the mantra are exempt from criticism ) from an earlier thread I dare you to Have a listen to that great Labour democrat Benn ( not Farage ) explaining the process many years ago, he is telling the truth Or listen to the great speech of Galloway who is FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO FARAGE, but basically has exactly the same message as Farage in respect of the EU. Facing up to this is something that the so called left's ground troops are unable to do. I've watched the Benn video but not had time to watch the Galloway video yet (I do plan to). Benn makes some good points - and if anyone during the referendum had made them I would've considered voting to Leave. I was never completely opposed to the idea of leaving the EU - if the Leave campaign had come up with something credible, ambitious, and substantial I'm sure I could've been won round. But instead we got some of the insular, flaky shit about "taking control" and "controlling our borders" when the reality is we already have control of our borders and of our country. The EU Parliament is a debating chamber, there's thousand of videos showing debates in the EU Parliament. It's no more or less a debating chamber than the Houses of Parliament, where every week polticians stand up and ask questions to the PM and she replies with a pre-rehearsed soundbite.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 6, 2017 12:45:49 GMT
As far as Farage is concerned, maybe if he turned up to do his job more then the rest of the EU Parliament might listen to him more. In his case, he has ignored the EU Parliament - not the other way round. Could you tell me HOW we influence or remove our leader, Angela Merkel, or any of the other very important people refered to below? European Council president – Donald Tusk European Commission president – Jean-Claude Juncker Presidency of the Council of the EU Make no mistake if we had stayed in the EU in 15 or 20 years time the then German "leader"(sorry about that ) would be OUR leader, and we would be a region in the United States of Europe, with a common currency of the Euro. ( see the Five Presidents' Report) I don't want that, and I believe that the majority of ordinary Brits don't want it, but they have not been told the truth.....thats not Little Englander mentality, but having the right to have a say in your own identity and future. It cannot be put better than Galloway ( absolutely fundamentally opposed to Farage) in the previous post In 15-20 years time national European governments will still have roughly the same role as they do now. That is, controlling a countries destiny within the loose framework of the EU (which takes some options off the tables - such as installing the death penalty etc). I have never accussed anyone on this board of being a Little Englander, least of all you. And I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority by thinking the EU, with all things considered, is a positive to Britain. I simply don't believe that the EU had that big a say over the destiny over this country. I believe the national government of every EU country is still in control of its nation.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 6, 2017 12:54:48 GMT
Could you tell me HOW we influence or remove our leader, Angela Merkel, or any of the other very important people refered to below? European Council president – Donald Tusk European Commission president – Jean-Claude Juncker Presidency of the Council of the EU Make no mistake if we had stayed in the EU in 15 or 20 years time the then German "leader"(sorry about that ) would be OUR leader, and we would be a region in the United States of Europe, with a common currency of the Euro. ( see the Five Presidents' Report) I don't want that, and I believe that the majority of ordinary Brits don't want it, but they have not been told the truth.....thats not Little Englander mentality, but having the right to have a say in your own identity and future. It cannot be put better than Galloway ( absolutely fundamentally opposed to Farage) in the previous post In 15-20 years time national European governments will still have roughly the same role as they do now. That is, controlling a countries destiny within the loose framework of the EU (which takes some options off the tables - such as installing the death penalty etc). I have never accussed anyone on this board of being a Little Englander, least of all you. And I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority by thinking the EU, with all things considered, is a positive to Britain. I simply don't believe that the EU had that big a say over the destiny over this country. I believe the national government of every EU country is still in control of its nation. Ok Rip , again we will probably have to agree to differ.....lets hope the lads put in a better performance today, something that we can probably agree on.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 6, 2017 12:57:35 GMT
In 15-20 years time national European governments will still have roughly the same role as they do now. That is, controlling a countries destiny within the loose framework of the EU (which takes some options off the tables - such as installing the death penalty etc). I have never accussed anyone on this board of being a Little Englander, least of all you. And I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority by thinking the EU, with all things considered, is a positive to Britain. I simply don't believe that the EU had that big a say over the destiny over this country. I believe the national government of every EU country is still in control of its nation. Ok Rip , again we will probably have to agree to differ.....lets hope the lads put in a better performance today, something that we can probably agree on. Even I couldn't argue with you on that ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 6, 2017 16:37:17 GMT
You know who advocated a United States of Europe?
Winston Churchill. Tricky one isn't it!
Look it up if you don't believe me.
Course, it'll be argued he didn't mean the EU as we know it by the usual suspects!
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 6, 2017 18:15:43 GMT
Could you tell me HOW we influence or remove our leader, Angela Merkel, or any of the other very important people refered to below? European Council president – Donald Tusk European Commission president – Jean-Claude Juncker Presidency of the Council of the EU Make no mistake if we had stayed in the EU in 15 or 20 years time the then German "leader"(sorry about that ) would be OUR leader, and we would be a region in the United States of Europe, with a common currency of the Euro. ( see the Five Presidents' Report) I don't want that, and I believe that the majority of ordinary Brits don't want it, but they have not been told the truth.....thats not Little Englander mentality, but having the right to have a say in your own identity and future. It cannot be put better than Galloway ( absolutely fundamentally opposed to Farage) in the previous post In 15-20 years time national European governments will still have roughly the same role as they do now. That is, controlling a countries destiny within the loose framework of the EU (which takes some options off the tables - such as installing the death penalty etc). I have never accussed anyone on this board of being a Little Englander, least of all you. And I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority by thinking the EU, with all things considered, is a positive to Britain. I simply don't believe that the EU had that big a say over the destiny over this country. I believe the national government of every EU country apart from Greece and Italy is still in control of its nation. I've corrected the last sentence for you ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 6, 2017 18:19:28 GMT
You know who advocated a United States of Europe? Winston Churchill. Tricky one isn't it! Look it up if you don't believe me. Course, it'll be argued he didn't mean the EU as we know it by the usual suspects! He didn't mean the EU as we know it
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 20:48:19 GMT
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Post by Timmypotter on May 7, 2017 6:29:08 GMT
The EU Parliament is a debating chamber, there's thousand of videos showing debates in the EU Parliament. It's no more or less a debating chamber than the Houses of Parliament, where every week polticians stand up and ask questions to the PM and she replies with a pre-rehearsed soundbite. This is true. It is no more or less a 'debating chamber' than the HoP. However, this isn't our parliament's only role. Members can bring a private members bill. If you feel strongly about something you can petition your member of Parliament to raise one for you. Look here - quite a bit of legislation is enacted in this way en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Members%27_Bills_in_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom Both places are also revisory bodies. They have the power to make amendments to bills which are then passed on for another vote. In this way legislation is honed and refined according to the will of our elected (and unfortunately, in the case of the HoL, unelected) representatives. The EU Parliament has none of these powers. It is simply a talking shop, and its only purpose is to rubber stamp legislation that is passed to it by the EU commission. We don't get to elect commission members and we certainly can't remove them - hence it is led by the drunk ex-PM of a tax haven. The system stinks and, while the EU seems relatively benign at the moment, it is an organisation primed for corruption.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 7:10:45 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 7, 2017 7:12:25 GMT
The EU Parliament is a debating chamber, there's thousand of videos showing debates in the EU Parliament. It's no more or less a debating chamber than the Houses of Parliament, where every week polticians stand up and ask questions to the PM and she replies with a pre-rehearsed soundbite. This is true. It is no more or less a 'debating chamber' than the HoP. However, this isn't our parliament's only role. Members can bring a private members bill. If you feel strongly about something you can petition your member of Parliament to raise one for you. Look here - quite a bit of legislation is enacted in this way en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Members%27_Bills_in_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom Both places are also revisory bodies. They have the power to make amendments to bills which are then passed on for another vote. In this way legislation is honed and refined according to the will of our elected (and unfortunately, in the case of the HoL, unelected) representatives. The EU Parliament has none of these powers. It is simply a talking shop, and its only purpose is to rubber stamp legislation that is passed to it by the EU commission. We don't get to elect commission members and we certainly can't remove them - hence it is led by the drunk ex-PM of a tax haven. The system stinks and, while the EU seems relatively benign at the moment, it is an organisation primed for corruption. The EU Parliament debates and then vote on a Bill. If it's accepted then it becomes law, if it's rejected it does not. Much like the UK Parliament.
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Post by liquidlen on May 7, 2017 7:14:04 GMT
This is true. It is no more or less a 'debating chamber' than the HoP. However, this isn't our parliament's only role. Members can bring a private members bill. If you feel strongly about something you can petition your member of Parliament to raise one for you. Look here - quite a bit of legislation is enacted in this way en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Members%27_Bills_in_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom Both places are also revisory bodies. They have the power to make amendments to bills which are then passed on for another vote. In this way legislation is honed and refined according to the will of our elected (and unfortunately, in the case of the HoL, unelected) representatives. The EU Parliament has none of these powers. It is simply a talking shop, and its only purpose is to rubber stamp legislation that is passed to it by the EU commission. We don't get to elect commission members and we certainly can't remove them - hence it is led by the drunk ex-PM of a tax haven. The system stinks and, while the EU seems relatively benign at the moment, it is an organisation primed for corruption. The EU Parliament debates and then vote on a Bill. If it's accepted then it becomes law, if it's rejected it does not. Much like the UK Parliament. Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows the EU is an evil empire
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 7:18:16 GMT
You know who advocated a United States of Europe? Winston Churchill. Tricky one isn't it! Look it up if you don't believe me. Course, it'll be argued he didn't mean the EU as we know it by the usual suspects! He didn't mean the EU as we know it Lol. About as convincing an argument as you lot can make these days, as the car crash proceeds in ultra slow motion! <extends arms out front, waggles hands from side to side and makes retard noises, like the Boothen end responding to a crap chant>
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