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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 15:29:35 GMT
The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate. You're being ridiculous if you think the E.U. is going to indulge you nutters, do you? What the E.U. does with its project it's up to them! We've triggered Article 50 so we'll have to live with the consequences whatever they turn out to be. But, this was obvious at the time of the Referendum. However, the 'project' to leave was all going to be easy peasy, money back guaranteed, no probs, E.U. desperate to give us what we want? Strange, how it isn't turning out like that?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 15:50:57 GMT
"it may consider" "We’ll have to wait to see what kind of deal can be achieved" "JP Morgan’s chief executive, Jamie Dimon, warned that up to 4,000 roles would be at risk in the event of a vote to leave. He has since said this figure could be higher or lower depending on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations." International Banks threatening to maybe possibly considering uping sticks depending on the final deal. Reported in the Guardian and lapped up by the gullible. Crikey Capto at this rate you'll be exhausted in two years time.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 3, 2017 15:51:21 GMT
It's bizarre reading this thread just how much the left-wingers on here despise the British working class. It's got to such a stage now that they're actually cheering wildy for banking cartels & jumping for joy in the hope that Brexit could fail.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
It's bizarre reading this thread just how much the left-wingers on here despise the British working class. It's got to such a stage now that they're actually cheering wildy for banking cartels & jumping for joy in the hope that Brexit could fail. Why do you and your mates need to invent these daft cock and bull soundbites like the Tory leadership? All the left wingers on here are working class and don't like the Tories very much
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 16:00:22 GMT
It's bizarre reading this thread just how much the left-wingers on here despise the British working class. It's got to such a stage now that they're actually cheering wildy for banking cartels & jumping for joy in the hope that Brexit could fail. You're confusing the dislike of populist right-wingers who have lied, conned their way to power and influence with the rest of society. It's wrong for the banks to have a cartel but it's O.K. for the right-wing to have a cartel of red top tabloids? If 'Brexit' is seen to be a failure and it could take a generation i.e. 25 years before we can make this judgment it will be because it wasn't a good idea in the first place. But, we won't know for many, many years. But I do note, that the Brexiters are getting in their excuses for failure early just days after Art. 50 was triggered. The only people who fear the worst are the Brexiters themselves!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:01:42 GMT
"I do not trust juncker".....you're not alone mate
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 16:03:26 GMT
"it may consider" "We’ll have to wait to see what kind of deal can be achieved" "JP Morgan’s chief executive, Jamie Dimon, warned that up to 4,000 roles would be at risk in the event of a vote to leave. He has since said this figure could be higher or lower depending on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations." International Banks threatening to maybe possibly considering uping sticks depending on the final deal. Reported in the Guardian and lapped up by the gullible. Crikey Capto at this rate you'll be exhausted in two years time. Is that time of the month already where J P Morgan announce again they could be relocating. Seems to come around more and more quickly each month.
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Post by harryburrows on May 3, 2017 16:04:28 GMT
You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate. You're being ridiculous if you think the E.U. is going to indulge you nutters, do you? What the E.U. does with its project it's up to them! We've triggered Article 50 so we'll have to live with the consequences whatever they turn out to be. But, this was obvious at the time of the Referendum. However, the 'project' to leave was all going to be easy peasy, money back guaranteed, no probs, E.U. desperate to give us what we want? Strange, how it isn't turning out like that? It isn't turning out like anything just yet , let's wait and see what happens .
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 16:05:01 GMT
It's bizarre reading this thread just how much the left-wingers on here despise the British working class. It's got to such a stage now that they're actually cheering wildy for banking cartels & jumping for joy in the hope that Brexit could fail. You're confusing the dislike of populist right-wingers who have lied, conned their way to power and influence with the rest of society. It's wrong for the banks to have a cartel but it's O.K. for the right-wing to have a cartel of red top tabloids? If 'Brexit' is seen to be a failure and it could take a generation i.e. 25 years before we can make this judgment it will be because it wasn't a good idea in the first place. But, we won't know for many, many years. But I do note, that the Brexiters are getting in their excuses for failure early just days after Art. 50 was triggered. The only people who fear the worst are the Brexiters themselves!That's right. The Brexiteers on here fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU...just full of fear the lot of 'em
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 3, 2017 16:07:39 GMT
It's bizarre reading this thread just how much the left-wingers on here despise the British working class. It's got to such a stage now that they're actually cheering wildy for banking cartels & jumping for joy in the hope that Brexit could fail. Why do you and your mates need to invent these daft cock and bull soundbites like the Tory leadership? All the left wingers on here are working class and don't like the Tories very much Your post here is the same as all your other posts, absolute meaningless shit. Your hatred of the Tories is clouding your judgement on anything else. You associate Brexit with the Tories (and soley with the Tories) and therefore, because you hate the Tories so much, you want to see the entire country suffer just so that you can give the Tories shit over it. It's pathetic, I hate the Tories as much as anyone (So I'm not really sure who "Me & my mates" are) but right now I'm hoping they can deliver us a good deal on Brexit. Whereas to you, and the other left-wing nuts on here it's all a big game. None of the posts from any of you ever equate to anything more than Tory bashing & hoping the Tories -and therefore Brexit- fails.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 16:12:39 GMT
Why do you and your mates need to invent these daft cock and bull soundbites like the Tory leadership? All the left wingers on here are working class and don't like the Tories very much Your post here is the same as all your other posts, absolute meaningless shit. Your hatred of the Tories is clouding your judgement on anything else. You associate Brexit with the Tories (and soley with the Tories) and therefore, because you hate the Tories so much, you want to see the entire country suffer just so that you can give the Tories shit over it. It's pathetic, I hate the Tories as much as anyone (So I'm not really sure who "Me & my mates" are) but right now I'm hoping they can deliver us a good deal on Brexit. Whereas to you, and the other left-wing nuts on here it's all a big game. None of the posts from any of you ever equate to anything more than Tory bashing & hoping the Tories -and therefore Brexit- fails. Nope. That's totally wrong...as usual. I don't hate the Tories, however I dislike the current administration and their policies. I don't like the pre-negotiation stance on Brexit, although i'm resigned to go through with Brexit. You should try to engage people without insulting them. You may find it rewarding.
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 16:13:01 GMT
"I do not trust juncker".....you're not alone mate I thought Faisal was going to break down in tears after May's speech, the shock on his face that his beloved EU had got a kicking was priceless.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 16:29:19 GMT
Why do you and your mates need to invent these daft cock and bull soundbites like the Tory leadership? All the left wingers on here are working class and don't like the Tories very much Your post here is the same as all your other posts, absolute meaningless shit. Your hatred of the Tories is clouding your judgement on anything else. You associate Brexit with the Tories (and soley with the Tories) and therefore, because you hate the Tories so much, you want to see the entire country suffer just so that you can give the Tories shit over it. It's pathetic, I hate the Tories as much as anyone (So I'm not really sure who "Me & my mates" are) but right now I'm hoping they can deliver us a good deal on Brexit. Whereas to you, and the other left-wing nuts on here it's all a big game. None of the posts from any of you ever equate to anything more than Tory bashing & hoping the Tories -and therefore Brexit- fails. This by a mile. I think I've posted before that you and me would probably have a lively debate about domestic politics but we both realise that Brexit is a separate context. I can't for the life of me think why others don't get this. Hand on heart I think most Labour voters would prefer May negotiating rather than Corbyn but they just can't take off those red rose tinted glasses.
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Post by lommack on May 3, 2017 16:30:07 GMT
You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate. You're being ridiculous if you think the E.U. is going to indulge you nutters, do you? What the E.U. does with its project it's up to them! We've triggered Article 50 so we'll have to live with the consequences whatever they turn out to be. But, this was obvious at the time of the Referendum. However, the 'project' to leave was all going to be easy peasy, money back guaranteed, no probs, E.U. desperate to give us what we want? Strange, how it isn't turning out like that? You do know it's still the 18th century don't you? We have got a bloody big army a bloody big navy and a bloody big empire and johnny bloody foreigner will do as he is bloody well told. Just keep singing God save the Queen, Land of hope and glory and Rule Britannia and everything will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:42:41 GMT
"I do not trust juncker".....you're not alone mate I thought Faisal was going to break down in tears after May's speech, the shock on his face that his beloved EU had got a kicking was priceless. Could you point me to a video of it mate? Sorry haven't seen any speech from May
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 3, 2017 16:43:19 GMT
You're being ridiculous if you think the E.U. is going to indulge you nutters, do you? What the E.U. does with its project it's up to them! We've triggered Article 50 so we'll have to live with the consequences whatever they turn out to be. But, this was obvious at the time of the Referendum. However, the 'project' to leave was all going to be easy peasy, money back guaranteed, no probs, E.U. desperate to give us what we want? Strange, how it isn't turning out like that? You do know it's still the 18th century don't you? We have got a bloody big army a bloody big navy and a bloody big empire and johnny bloody foreigner will do as he is bloody well told. Just keep singing God save the Queen, Land of hope and glory and Rule Britannia and everything will be fine. This and the 'bloody difficult woman' is going to bash them with her bally handbag seems to be our current negotiating strategy. You've got it coming, you blasted Euro Trash, I tell you.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 17:15:24 GMT
You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate. You're being ridiculous if you think the E.U. is going to indulge you nutters, do you? What the E.U. does with its project it's up to them! We've triggered Article 50 so we'll have to live with the consequences whatever they turn out to be. But, this was obvious at the time of the Referendum. However, the 'project' to leave was all going to be easy peasy, money back guaranteed, no probs, E.U. desperate to give us what we want? Strange, how it isn't turning out like that? Who said anything about being indulged? We knew they'd make it difficult for us. In the words of the great Sir Nigel Farage, "No deal is better than the rotten deal we have right now!".
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Post by lommack on May 3, 2017 17:22:17 GMT
You're being ridiculous if you think the E.U. is going to indulge you nutters, do you? What the E.U. does with its project it's up to them! We've triggered Article 50 so we'll have to live with the consequences whatever they turn out to be. But, this was obvious at the time of the Referendum. However, the 'project' to leave was all going to be easy peasy, money back guaranteed, no probs, E.U. desperate to give us what we want? Strange, how it isn't turning out like that? Who said anything about being indulged? We knew they'd make it difficult for us. In the words of the great Sir Nigel Farage, "No deal is better than the rotten deal we have right now!". Is Sir Nigel still an MEP is he still claiming a salary/expenses from this rotten organisation? Or has he packed it all in and buggered off to America?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 3, 2017 17:26:44 GMT
Who said anything about being indulged? We knew they'd make it difficult for us. In the words of the great Sir Nigel Farage, "No deal is better than the rotten deal we have right now!". Is Sir Nigel still an MEP is he still claiming a salary/expenses from this rotten organisation? Or has he packed it all in and buggered off to America? I think he is indeed continuing to admirably represent the views of the British prople, as elected to do so. Why aren't there more MEPs representative of views such as yours in this important anti democratic organisation?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 17:31:13 GMT
You're confusing the dislike of populist right-wingers who have lied, conned their way to power and influence with the rest of society. It's wrong for the banks to have a cartel but it's O.K. for the right-wing to have a cartel of red top tabloids? If 'Brexit' is seen to be a failure and it could take a generation i.e. 25 years before we can make this judgment it will be because it wasn't a good idea in the first place. But, we won't know for many, many years. But I do note, that the Brexiters are getting in their excuses for failure early just days after Art. 50 was triggered. The only people who fear the worst are the Brexiters themselves!That's right. The Brexiteers on here fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU...just full of fear the lot of 'em Just one slight error with this post my old friend, at the very least half brexiteers don't fear Labour at all. Majority of labour heartlands voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. You're perspective that this is a "Tory" issue is far from the truth. Real issue is labour has no clear Brexit position so true labour voters have no confidence in them delivering what they voted for. Add to that the toxic rhetoric and the threats/demands coming from Brussels, its not looking good for the labour party who risk a complete back lash come the 8th June.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 17:32:31 GMT
Who said anything about being indulged? We knew they'd make it difficult for us. In the words of the great Sir Nigel Farage, "No deal is better than the rotten deal we have right now!". Is Sir Nigel still an MEP is he still claiming a salary/expenses from this rotten organisation? Or has he packed it all in and buggered off to America? You lefties keep bringing this up as if you have some sort of point. "If he hates the EU so much why does he insist on taking their money?". You should have crash helmets bolted to your skulls.
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Post by lommack on May 3, 2017 17:48:38 GMT
Is Sir Nigel still an MEP is he still claiming a salary/expenses from this rotten organisation? Or has he packed it all in and buggered off to America? I think he is indeed continuing to admirably represent the views of the British prople, as elected to do so. Why aren't there more MEPs representative of views such as yours in this important anti democratic organisation? It just surprises me that a man so vehemently opposed to the organisation is happy to take the filthy lucre with a straight face. What's his attendance/voting record like these days? Is he still representing his constituents as robustly as expected? Or does he see it more of an irrelevance as he once did? (that is a serious question does he still attend, do any UKIPers attend to make meaningful contributions? Not just to claim expenses and have a fight, I wonder if overall attendance by British MEP's has fallen since Brexit?) One thing that still makes me smile is the sight of him on election night when first indications were remain had won " This fight is not over" etc etc. To "The British people have spoken and there's no turning back" I think the conversation may draw to a close quite quickly as you see him as a political messiah and I see him as a complete and utter twat and I don't think either of us will change our minds. Cheers.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 3, 2017 17:52:13 GMT
Article 50 provides 'The means to leave the EU'. The EU have been remiss in not providing far more detail....ckearly the idea that any country should actually trigger the article has not been uppermost in their thinking ( not a UK problem, an EU problem) Any potential bill, and any other conditions attached to exit, should have been clearly laid out.....for me all this retrospective talk about a bill is a complete nonsense. The response to it depends upon the will of our negotiators....clearly some of the Remainers on the Oatcake gladly welcome the demand for an exit payment to " prove" the error of the deck.The decision has been made, largely by ordinary working class people who are now being despised by the very people who had supposed to stand up for them. As Mary's earlier video and DC and Roger have clearly and insightfully argued many now want the UK to fail....even if the decision is reluctantly accepted, it would be nice to see a little bit of belief in the people of this country...We criticise our own Mps but the remote EU system is ( in practice) beyond criticism , just ' leave it to them, they know best"....how anyone can trust chief negotiator Guy to do us any favours is beyond me....if he were a UK MP he would get slaughtered. In my experience, if you choose to leave an organisation, that organisation has to adjust accordingly. If your household loses a major income stream , your planned or expected expenditure, has to be reassessed and some projects cancelled.The EU is not capable of this, nor is it capable of reigning in its unaccountable expenditure.Brexit has brought their arrogance and disregard for the citizens up short. They realise that without the UK funding their project of ever close political union ( the Five Presidents report) is ultimately doomed .Their last throw of the dice is to raise the anti of scaremongering hoping that the UK will give in and ordinary people will be forced/ scared into coming back into the fold through a second referendum. Sadly as has been intimated in the thread, the Labour Party, having backed the wrong horse, has allowed their opposition to the Tories to influence their thinking in giving away our democracy and colluded with the powerful against the powerless
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
Article 50 provides 'The means to leave the EU'. The EU have been remiss in not providing far more detail....ckearly the idea that any country should actually trigger the article has not been uppermost in their thinking ( not a UK problem, an EU problem) Any potential bill, and any other conditions attached to exit, should have been clearly laid out.....for me all this retrospective talk about a bill is a complete nonsense. The response to it depends upon the will of our negotiators....clearly some of the Remainers on the Oatcake gladly welcome the demand for an exit payment to " prove" the error of the deck.The decision has been made, largely by ordinary working class people who are now being despised by the very people who had supposed to stand up for them. As Mary's earlier video and DC and Roger have clearly and insightfully argued many now want the UK to fail....even if the decision is reluctantly accepted, it would be nice to see a little bit of belief in the people of this country...We criticise our own Mps but the remote EU system is ( in practice) beyond criticism , just ' leave it to them, they know best"....how anyone can trust chief negotiator Guy to do us any favours is beyond me....if he were a UK MP he would get slaughtered. In my experience, if you choose to leave an organisation, that organisation has to adjust accordingly. If your household loses a major income stream , your planned or expected expenditure, has to be reassessed and some projects cancelled.The EU is not capable of this, nor is it capable of reigning in its unaccountable expenditure.Brexit has brought their arrogance and disregard for the citizens up short. They realise that without the UK funding their project of ever close political union ( the Five Presidents report) is ultimately doomed .Their last throw of the dice is to raise the anti of scaremongering hoping that the UK will give in and ordinary people will be forced/ scared into coming back into the fold through a second referendum. Sadly as has been intimated in the thread, the Labour Party, having backed the wrong horse, has allowed their opposition to the Tories to influence their thinking in giving away our democracy and colluded with the powerful against the powerless Very well put.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 3, 2017 17:59:20 GMT
I think he is indeed continuing to admirably represent the views of the British prople, as elected to do so. Why aren't there more MEPs representative of views such as yours in this important anti democratic organisation? It just surprises me that a man so vehemently opposed to the organisation is happy to take the filthy lucre with a straight face. What's his attendance/voting record like these days? Is he still representing his constituents as robustly as expected? Or does he see it more of an irrelevance as he once did? (that is a serious question does he still attend, do any UKIPers attend to make meaningful contributions? Not just to claim expenses and have a fight, I wonder if overall attendance by British MEP's has fallen since Brexit?) One thing that still makes me smile is the sight of him on election night when first indications were remain had won " This fight is not over" etc etc. To "The British people have spoken and there's no turning back" I think the conversation may draw to a close quite quickly as you see him as a political messiah and I see him as a complete and utter twat and I don't think either of us will change our minds. Cheers. It should not surprise you at all. There is no such thing as EU money, it is our money. He is doing and being paid to do Precisely what he was elected to do and promised to do, by the UK electorate AND he has been extremely successfully in doing it. You would be better off asking yourself why, if this EU organisation ( which incidentally is not " Europe" not is it "business") is so important to the UK and the electorate , have we not elected more pro European MEPs.....the answer is that most of the electorate see it as an irrelevancy, largely because they were not made genuinely aware of its true purpose POLITICAL UNION....Farage and others such as Galloway, Gisella Stuart, Austin Mitchell, and Frank Field were aware....as are an increasing number of people across Europe.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 3, 2017 18:04:19 GMT
I think he is indeed continuing to admirably represent the views of the British prople, as elected to do so. Why aren't there more MEPs representative of views such as yours in this important anti democratic organisation? It just surprises me that a man so vehemently opposed to the organisation is happy to take the filthy lucre with a straight face. What's his attendance/voting record like these days? Is he still representing his constituents as robustly as expected? Or does he see it more of an irrelevance as he once did? (that is a serious question does he still attend, do any UKIPers attend to make meaningful contributions? Not just to claim expenses and have a fight, I wonder if overall attendance by British MEP's has fallen since Brexit?) One thing that still makes me smile is the sight of him on election night when first indications were remain had won " This fight is not over" etc etc. To "The British people have spoken and there's no turning back" I think the conversation may draw to a close quite quickly as you see him as a political messiah and I see him as a complete and utter twat and I don't think either of us will change our minds. Cheers. I certainly will not change my mind having visited and engaged with the EU several times over the years, and I am sure that you are right, I won't change your mind. Nor would I call him a twat....theres no real need for personal abuse in a political debate, unless you lose the argument of course.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:06:51 GMT
It just surprises me that a man so vehemently opposed to the organisation is happy to take the filthy lucre with a straight face. What's his attendance/voting record like these days? Is he still representing his constituents as robustly as expected? Or does he see it more of an irrelevance as he once did? (that is a serious question does he still attend, do any UKIPers attend to make meaningful contributions? Not just to claim expenses and have a fight, I wonder if overall attendance by British MEP's has fallen since Brexit?) One thing that still makes me smile is the sight of him on election night when first indications were remain had won " This fight is not over" etc etc. To "The British people have spoken and there's no turning back" I think the conversation may draw to a close quite quickly as you see him as a political messiah and I see him as a complete and utter twat and I don't think either of us will change our minds. Cheers. I certainly will not change my mind having visited and engaged with the EU several times over the years, and I am sure that you are right, I won't change your mind. Nor would I call him a twat....theres no real need for personal abuse in a political debate, unless you lose the argument of course. There seems to be many arguments lost on here then John either that or abuse is just the norm .
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 3, 2017 18:07:37 GMT
The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate. I've no doubt they want the best deal for the EU, which by default means a shit deal for the UK. But it's vice versa as well. I've seen far more British people hoping for the collapse of the EU, than the other way round. The people whinging about the EU bullying need to man up. They voted for to leave the EU, and are now upset that the EU are not thinking in the UK's best interest. The equivalent of not renewing your season ticket at Stoke, then being shocked when they won't let you into the ground for the first game of next season. Stop whinging, grow a pair, and crack on with it.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 18:21:40 GMT
That's right. The Brexiteers on here fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU...just full of fear the lot of 'em Just one slight error with this post my old friend, at the very least half brexiteers don't fear Labour at all. Majority of labour heartlands voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. You're perspective that this is a "Tory" issue is far from the truth. Real issue is labour has no clear Brexit position so true labour voters have no confidence in them delivering what they voted for. Add to that the toxic rhetoric and the threats/demands coming from Brussels, its not looking good for the labour party who risk a complete back lash come the 8th June. No wrong yet again! Where did I say any of that jibberish? And Labour does have a clear position win Brexit. The rest of your post is unintelligible
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:26:41 GMT
You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate. I've no doubt they want the best deal for the EU, which by default means a shit deal for the UK. But it's vice versa as well. I've seen far more British people hoping for the collapse of the EU, than the other way round. The people whinging about the EU bullying need to man up. They voted for to leave the EU, and are now upset that the EU are not thinking in the UK's best interest. The equivalent of not renewing your season ticket at Stoke, then being shocked when they won't let you into the ground for the first game of next season. Stop whinging, grow a pair, and crack on with it. The difference being if I don't renew my season ticket at Stoke they won't charge me £3204 as an exit bill which is exactly what the EU is doing. I pay £420 a season. We paid £13.1 billion into the EU last year. Divide our £100 billion bill by £13.1 billion take that answer and then times it to my £420 season ticket. That is my bill for leaving Stoke. Seems reasonable to me.
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