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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:29:56 GMT
Just one slight error with this post my old friend, at the very least half brexiteers don't fear Labour at all. Majority of labour heartlands voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. You're perspective that this is a "Tory" issue is far from the truth. Real issue is labour has no clear Brexit position so true labour voters have no confidence in them delivering what they voted for. Add to that the toxic rhetoric and the threats/demands coming from Brussels, its not looking good for the labour party who risk a complete back lash come the 8th June. No wrong yet again! Where did I say any of that jibberish? And Labour does have a clear position win Brexit. The rest of your post is unintelligible You clearly state Brexiteers fear labour, that's crap! Half of labour voters voted Brexit. Not hard to understand?
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 19:19:27 GMT
No wrong yet again! Where did I say any of that jibberish? And Labour does have a clear position win Brexit. The rest of your post is unintelligible You clearly state Brexiteers fear labour, that's crap! Half of labour voters voted Brexit. Not hard to understand? So does that make them all Tories as you are suggesting?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 3, 2017 19:21:35 GMT
Who said anything about being indulged? We knew they'd make it difficult for us. In the words of the great Sir Nigel Farage, "No deal is better than the rotten deal we have right now!". Is Sir Nigel still an MEP is he still claiming a salary/expenses from this rotten organisation? Or has he packed it all in and buggered off to America? I would add this; In my experience not many people actually understand how the EU works.. ..they just have accepted that it must be ok because "they" say it is.Last time that I sat in the EU and listened to the debate it simply confirmed ( again ) everything that I believed about the EU. It was simply well paid, yes men , self congratulating themselves on some policy ( or otherwise I can't quite remember ) that they had ' achieved ' .There was no debate , there is NO opposition whatsoever to the EU mantra, ever closer union. The ' parliament ' is not a decision making body...Farage knows more than most how it actually works and the futility of attending the masquerade of a WELL PAID talking shop ( paid for out of the pockets of ordinary people). Best contrick in the modern era.The EU is fundamentally flawed.The power lies in corridors, Angela Merkel, secret meetings, the Eurogroup, the Commission. The attendance of "the EU parliament" is totally irrelevant as a measure of effectiveness. Have a listen to that great Labour democrat Benn ( not Farage ) explaining the process many years ago, and dare to believe him...because he is telling the truth Or listen to the great speech of Galloway who is fundamentally opposed to Farage, but basically has exactly the same message as Farage in respect of the EU. Facing up to this is something that the so called left's ground troops are unable to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 19:49:43 GMT
You clearly state Brexiteers fear labour, that's crap! Half of labour voters voted Brexit. Not hard to understand? So does that make them all Tories as you are suggesting? Wow.... No half must be labour, You said BREXITEETRS are afraid of labour, I replied labour voters actually voted for the UK to leave the EU. Answer the question anti EU labour voters want to hear. What is you're official position?
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 19:55:20 GMT
So does that make them all Tories as you are suggesting? Wow.... No half must be labour, You said BREXITEETRS are afraid of labour, I replied labour voters actually voted for the UK to leave the EU. Answer the question anti EU labour voters want to hear. What is you're official position? Where did I say ALL Brexiteers? Official position on what? What on earth are you babbling on about?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 20:47:17 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 3, 2017 20:53:00 GMT
He seems to know what he is talking about Mary, rather than just banding about some random figures ,designed for political, scaremongering purposes.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 20:54:59 GMT
You're confusing the dislike of populist right-wingers who have lied, conned their way to power and influence with the rest of society. It's wrong for the banks to have a cartel but it's O.K. for the right-wing to have a cartel of red top tabloids? If 'Brexit' is seen to be a failure and it could take a generation i.e. 25 years before we can make this judgment it will be because it wasn't a good idea in the first place. But, we won't know for many, many years. But I do note, that the Brexiters are getting in their excuses for failure early just days after Art. 50 was triggered. The only people who fear the worst are the Brexiters themselves!That's right. The Brexiteers on here fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU...just full of fear the lot of 'em "The Brexiteers" you never said all but you never said some, you generalised. That's the issue with you and you're far left elk. You just label everybody who voted to leave as right wing. It's so far from the truth it's embarrassing. What is Labours official position on Brexit? Stay in the single market or not? It's a simple question.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 21:03:01 GMT
That's right. The Brexiteers on here fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU...just full of fear the lot of 'em "The Brexiteers" you never said all but you never said some, you generalised. That's the issue with you and you're far left elk. You just label everybody who voted to leave as right wing. It's so far from the truth it's embarrassing. What is Labours official position on Brexit? Stay in the single market or not? It's a simple question. I said "The Brexiteers on here". Not every Brexiteer, not the Labour voting Brexiteer round the corner, not the LibDem Brexiteer from No.10 Acacia Avenue...but the Brexiteers on this here forum. It would help if you could read what has been said with some degree of accuracy. How on earth can Labour have an opinion on the single market until the terms of negotiation are available. For pity's sake man, what on earth are you trying to achieve other than making yourself look silly?
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Post by essexstokey on May 3, 2017 21:19:30 GMT
Pathetic by may today to try and blame Europe on our election she only has 1 policy brexit and we need more she is a week leader who hides in corners and avoids any contact with the public, just saying the same thing over and over like a verbal diarrhoea parrot she's s gone more than crackers Its time for Polly to go,
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:28:31 GMT
"The Brexiteers" you never said all but you never said some, you generalised. That's the issue with you and you're far left elk. You just label everybody who voted to leave as right wing. It's so far from the truth it's embarrassing. What is Labours official position on Brexit? Stay in the single market or not? It's a simple question. I said "The Brexiteers on here". Not every Brexiteer, not the Labour voting Brexiteer round the corner, not the LibDem Brexiteer from No.10 Acacia Avenue...but the Brexiteers on this here forum. It would help if you could read what has been said with some degree of accuracy. How on earth can Labour have an opinion on the single market until the terms of negotiation are available. For pity's sake man, what on earth are you trying to achieve other than making yourself look silly? I think you'll find Stoke on Trent is and has been a labour strong hold for decades, a city which overwhelmingly voted to leave. Many of which voters, pro leave or remain post on here should they be labour or ex labour. You are nitpicking. How does it matter if you're a Brexiteer from Huddersfield or a brexiteer from Stoke who posts on the oatcake? This is a general election not an oatcake election.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 21:31:25 GMT
I said "The Brexiteers on here". Not every Brexiteer, not the Labour voting Brexiteer round the corner, not the LibDem Brexiteer from No.10 Acacia Avenue...but the Brexiteers on this here forum. It would help if you could read what has been said with some degree of accuracy. How on earth can Labour have an opinion on the single market until the terms of negotiation are available. For pity's sake man, what on earth are you trying to achieve other than making yourself look silly? I think you'll find Stoke on Trent is and has been a labour strong hold for decades, a city which overwhelmingly voted to leave. Many of which voters, pro leave or remain post on here should they be labour or ex labour. You are nitpicking. How does it matter if you're a Brexiteer from Huddersfield or a brexiteer from Stoke who posts on the oatcake? This is a general election not an oatcake election. What's Huddersfield got to do with it? I'm totally lost now
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:37:46 GMT
I think you'll find Stoke on Trent is and has been a labour strong hold for decades, a city which overwhelmingly voted to leave. Many of which voters, pro leave or remain post on here should they be labour or ex labour. You are nitpicking. How does it matter if you're a Brexiteer from Huddersfield or a brexiteer from Stoke who posts on the oatcake? This is a general election not an oatcake election. What's Huddersfield got to do with it? I'm totally lost now I'll ask my missus , she's from Huddersfield. ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif)
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:46:17 GMT
I think you'll find Stoke on Trent is and has been a labour strong hold for decades, a city which overwhelmingly voted to leave. Many of which voters, pro leave or remain post on here should they be labour or ex labour. You are nitpicking. How does it matter if you're a Brexiteer from Huddersfield or a brexiteer from Stoke who posts on the oatcake? This is a general election not an oatcake election. What's Huddersfield got to do with it? I'm totally lost now So it's just brexiteers on the oatcake who "fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU..."? Not including people the length of the land who voted Brexit for other reasons than the generalisation you mentioned. Is this you're Gordon Brown Gillingham Duffy moment to label anybody who disagrees with you a bigot?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 23:29:32 GMT
Pathetic by may today to try and blame Europe on our election she only has 1 policy brexit and we need more she is a week leader who hides in corners and avoids any contact with the public, just saying the same thing over and over like a verbal diarrhoea parrot she's s gone more than crackers Its time for Polly to go, Unbelievable post ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 5:33:39 GMT
He seems to know what he is talking about Mary, rather than just banding about some random figures ,designed for political, scaremongering purposes. He does, what bothers me is our media know juncker & Co are bluffing but, they insist on using those lies to batter our own government and put down Britain 🇬🇧 ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif)
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Post by liquidlen on May 4, 2017 5:48:21 GMT
What's Huddersfield got to do with it? I'm totally lost now So it's just brexiteers on the oatcake who "fear bloody everything. Muslims, Labour, Immigrants, Refugees, ISIS, the EU..."? Not including people the length of the land who voted Brexit for other reasons than the generalisation you mentioned. Is this you're Gordon Brown Gillingham Duffy moment to label anybody who disagrees with you a bigot? No, but I think you're having some sort of moment...
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Post by liquidlen on May 4, 2017 5:51:12 GMT
He seems to know what he is talking about Mary, rather than just banding about some random figures ,designed for political, scaremongering purposes. He does, what bothers me is our media know juncker & Co are bluffing but, they insist on using those lies to batter our own government and put down Britain 🇬🇧 May, Davies and co. have been using overly strong and abrupt language too. It's all posturing, at the end of the day it'll be acrimonious and we'll get WTO terms.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 5:55:40 GMT
He does, what bothers me is our media know juncker & Co are bluffing but, they insist on using those lies to batter our own government and put down Britain 🇬🇧 May, Davies and co. have been using overly strong and abrupt language too. It's all posturing, at the end of the day it'll be acrimonious and we'll get WTO terms. That's the direction May should be encouraged while playing this game But our own media are intent on weakening her hand and strengthening the eu's
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Post by liquidlen on May 4, 2017 6:10:18 GMT
May, Davies and co. have been using overly strong and abrupt language too. It's all posturing, at the end of the day it'll be acrimonious and we'll get WTO terms. That's the direction May should be encouraged while playing this game But our own media are intent on weakening her hand and strengthening the eu's To be honest i'd rather we focus on the crippling domestic issues we are facing rather than all this speculation over two years of forthcoming Brexit negotiations. The Tories are totally enjoying keeping any focus on Brexit so the public doesn't look at our failing institutions...don't believe the hype.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 7:13:44 GMT
That's the direction May should be encouraged while playing this game But our own media are intent on weakening her hand and strengthening the eu's To be honest i'd rather we focus on the crippling domestic issues we are facing rather than all this speculation over two years of forthcoming Brexit negotiations. The Tories are totally enjoying keeping any focus on Brexit so the public doesn't look at our failing institutions...don't believe the hype. Ink, save me going to and fro typing essays
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Post by liquidlen on May 4, 2017 7:17:55 GMT
To be honest i'd rather we focus on the crippling domestic issues we are facing rather than all this speculation over two years of forthcoming Brexit negotiations. The Tories are totally enjoying keeping any focus on Brexit so the public doesn't look at our failing institutions...don't believe the hype. Ink, save me going to and fro typing essaysThere are far bigger fish to fry. £70billion pa going offshore in unpaid taxes by the multinational supercorprations. Problem is, the Tories don't have the moral authority to collect it...Why? Most of the Tory MP's are balls deep in offshore too. I don't understand why you constantly get on your EU soapbox when this is easily the biggest issue we face. This is OUR money, earned by BRITISH workers. It should be flowing back into the NHS, the Police, Education, Infrastructure, Public Services etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 7:32:16 GMT
There are far bigger fish to fry. £70billion pa going offshore in unpaid taxes by the multinational supercorprations. Problem is, the Tories don't have the moral authority to collect it...Why? Most of the Tory MP's are balls deep in offshore too. I don't understand why you constantly get on your EU soapbox when this is easily the biggest issue we face. This is OUR money, earned by BRITISH workers. It should be flowing back into the NHS, the Police, Education, Infrastructure, Public Services etc. Who do you think really run the eu ? a club that we (the peasants) can't have a say on. im sick of saying this but, we can vote out bad government. We can vote in a good one...if we can find one. we are one step away from losing our democratic sovereignty and becoming totally under the rule of the United States of Europe (((they have told us this is the plan))) these people do not agree with democracy (((they have told us this))) these people are puppets of the people you've just mentioned .....the big corps Getting us out of the eu is the most important thing for us to do first once out we should concentrate on cleaning up Westminster to create a new Britain ...a Britain where we are allowed a say through the ballot box
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Post by liquidlen on May 4, 2017 7:36:41 GMT
There are far bigger fish to fry. £70billion pa going offshore in unpaid taxes by the multinational supercorprations. Problem is, the Tories don't have the moral authority to collect it...Why? Most of the Tory MP's are balls deep in offshore too. I don't understand why you constantly get on your EU soapbox when this is easily the biggest issue we face. This is OUR money, earned by BRITISH workers. It should be flowing back into the NHS, the Police, Education, Infrastructure, Public Services etc. Who do you think really run the eu ? a club that we (the peasants) can't have a say on. im sick of saying this but, we can vote out bad government. We can vote in a good one...if we can find one. we are one step away from losing our democratic sovereignty and becoming totally under the rule of the United States of Europe (((they have told us this is the plan))) these people do not agree with democracy (((they have told us this))) these people are puppets of the people you've just mentioned .....the big corps Getting us out of the eu is the most important thing for us to do first once out we should concentrate on cleaning up Westminster to create a new Britain ...a Britain where we are allowed a say through the ballot box Ahem, we are out of the EU in 22 months. Nothing to stop us clearing the shit up at home, both at the same time
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Post by essexstokey on May 4, 2017 7:47:44 GMT
There are far bigger fish to fry. £70billion pa going offshore in unpaid taxes by the multinational supercorprations. Problem is, the Tories don't have the moral authority to collect it...Why? Most of the Tory MP's are balls deep in offshore too. I don't understand why you constantly get on your EU soapbox when this is easily the biggest issue we face. This is OUR money, earned by BRITISH workers. It should be flowing back into the NHS, the Police, Education, Infrastructure, Public Services etc. Who do you think really run the eu ? a club that we (the peasants) can't have a say on. A parlament we vote on every 5 years and members of the council from each government we vote in so no say what so ever!!im sick of saying this but, we can vote out bad government. We can vote in a good one...if we can find one. again we can vote out our representatives in Europe as can other countrieswe are one step away from losing our democratic sovereignty and becoming totally under the rule of the United States of Europe (((they have told us this is the plan))) these people do not agree with democracy (((they have told us this))) again voted for by the peoplethese people are puppets of the people you've just mentioned .....the big corps Getting us out of the eu is the most important thing for us to do first so health, education, policing, defence, workers rights etc are less important than Europe you must be jokingonce out we should concentrate on cleaning up Westminster Yes with the MEPS that have come from Europe that you think are so corrupt good strategy sherlockto create a new Britain ...a Britain where we are allowed a say through the ballot box And we don't vote through the ballot box now we have a democracy where everyone's vote counts the same we do not live in a dictatorship although some Tories and I suspect May wish it was that way keep the ordinary people out of politics let those that have money have all the say
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 4, 2017 7:58:26 GMT
Let's just leave.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 7:59:56 GMT
Who do you think really run the eu ? a club that we (the peasants) can't have a say on. im sick of saying this but, we can vote out bad government. We can vote in a good one...if we can find one. we are one step away from losing our democratic sovereignty and becoming totally under the rule of the United States of Europe (((they have told us this is the plan))) these people do not agree with democracy (((they have told us this))) these people are puppets of the people you've just mentioned .....the big corps Getting us out of the eu is the most important thing for us to do first once out we should concentrate on cleaning up Westminster to create a new Britain ...a Britain where we are allowed a say through the ballot box Ahem, we are out of the EU in 22 months. Nothing to stop us clearing the shit up at home, both at the same time Well yes that would be fine but, there are people in this country in high places trying to block a democratic vote so, unfortunately those that want out of the eu need to respond to these people through the only way they are allowed....through the ballot box im not someone that will stick to any one party through tribal instinct the tories are now the best vehicle to get us over the line as ukip were to get us this far. once out of the eu I'll access my political beliefs and who is closest to my beliefs i may vote ukip, labour, conservative, green, liberal or any new party after we've left if I believe in their manifesto and believe they are genuine
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 4, 2017 8:00:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 12:41:17 GMT
Skip the first bit about Abbott and watch from about 1 minute onwards
very interesting news from a guy who works for the telegraph
its the eu who is not playing ball on any deal with eu and uk nationals
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Post by followyoudown on May 4, 2017 13:17:12 GMT
Skip the first bit about Abbott and watch from about 1 minute onwards very interesting news from a guy who works for the telegraph its the eu who is not playing ball on any deal with eu and uk nationals Shocking yet yesterday on Sky News good old Faisal was parroting that the EU were becoming frustrated that the UK would not do a deal on citizens rights and couldn't understand how May could claim the EU were trying to influence the election www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/theresa-may-accuses-eu-of-meddling-in-uk-general-electionThe Theresaminator speech is withing the above link if you've still not seen it.
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