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Post by Gods on May 3, 2017 8:55:05 GMT
Apparently the Brexit bill has been upped to £92bn. It astounds me that so many people who are against Brexit cite the way The EU leaders have unanimously decided to try to hurt us as much as possible (for making a democratic decision no less!) as a reason for why Brexit is a bad thing. I'm heartened though that there are a decent number of remain voters who are looking at things and starting to realise what a truly atrocious and despicable corporation The EU is. We have a huge trade deficit with The EU. They should be begging us for a good deal, not the other way round. They're so desperate and maniacal in pursuit of their eventual one world government and one world race that they are willing to hurt themselves to keep moving towards that goal. Mrs May's response to the extortionate bill should be "if you want it, come and try to take it". By the sounds of things, it looks like she made a diplomatic version of noise to that effect. Good on her! It's true that about £230bn of our exports go to the EU and they export £290bn to us. However if you look at those figures as percentages about 46% of our exports go to EU countries and, depending upon how you measure it, only about 9-17% of EU exports come in to the UK. So its a much bigger deal to the UK to get a deal than it is for the EU. It was a point made repeatedly at the time of the referendum but sadly like so much of the remain campaign it either missed the mark or was simply lost in the noise around the extra money for the NHS (which no one any longer takes seriously), scheming Europeans or the imperative to kick a few hard working low paid EU citizens working over here in our Care Homes, the NHS, and the hospitality sector in to touch.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 8:56:19 GMT
They just want the money , the whole EU thing is running like a car crash at the moment .....the thought of them having to find the funding that the UK pays in from elsewhere is terrifying them ......Panic in actual fact .
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 9:29:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:35:13 GMT
There is probably no basis for any legal action provided that we pay anything that we actually " owe " on leaving , we would expect to do that in the two years or so that we are still a member ...after that they can whistle for any more .
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 9:35:58 GMT
He also just said that this wasn't a Brexit Bill, just a settling of the existing accounts. We'd be totally crazy to just walk away flashing the V's...tempting as that may be
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 9:39:20 GMT
Apparently the Brexit bill has been upped to £92bn. It astounds me that so many people who are against Brexit cite the way The EU leaders have unanimously decided to try to hurt us as much as possible (for making a democratic decision no less!) as a reason for why Brexit is a bad thing. I'm heartened though that there are a decent number of remain voters who are looking at things and starting to realise what a truly atrocious and despicable corporation The EU is. We have a huge trade deficit with The EU. They should be begging us for a good deal, not the other way round. They're so desperate and maniacal in pursuit of their eventual one world government and one world race that they are willing to hurt themselves to keep moving towards that goal. Mrs May's response to the extortionate bill should be "if you want it, come and try to take it". By the sounds of things, it looks like she made a diplomatic version of noise to that effect. Good on her! It's true that about £230bn of our exports go to the EU and they export £290bn to us. However if you look at those figures as percentages about 46% of our exports go to EU countries and, depending upon how you measure it, only about 9-17% of EU exports come in to the UK. So its a much bigger deal to the UK to get a deal than it is for the EU. It was a point made repeatedly at the time of the referendum but sadly like so much of the remain campaign it either missed the mark or was simply lost in the noise around the extra money for the NHS (which no one any longer takes seriously), scheming Europeans or the imperative to kick a few hard working low paid EU citizens working over here in our Care Homes, the NHS, and the hospitality sector in to touch. You are ball park with the percentages but what is not taken into account is will the EU stick to a no trade deal, will French farmers, German car makers take one for the team to ensure freedom of movement for Latvians, Estonians etc Will the EU make member states pay in jobs to protect their pride and four freedoms that the Canada etc have not had to sign up too, that is the £520 billion pound question.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:41:33 GMT
He also just said that this wasn't a Brexit Bill, just a settling of the existing accounts. We'd be totally crazy to just walk away flashing the V's...tempting as that may be Oh! Very tempting !
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Post by Gods on May 3, 2017 9:49:25 GMT
It's true that about £230bn of our exports go to the EU and they export £290bn to us. However if you look at those figures as percentages about 46% of our exports go to EU countries and, depending upon how you measure it, only about 9-17% of EU exports come in to the UK. So its a much bigger deal to the UK to get a deal than it is for the EU. It was a point made repeatedly at the time of the referendum but sadly like so much of the remain campaign it either missed the mark or was simply lost in the noise around the extra money for the NHS (which no one any longer takes seriously), scheming Europeans or the imperative to kick a few hard working low paid EU citizens working over here in our Care Homes, the NHS, and the hospitality sector in to touch. You are ball park with the percentages but what is not taken into account is will the EU stick to a no trade deal, will French farmers, German car makers take one for the team to ensure freedom of movement for Latvians, Estonians etc Will the EU make member states pay in jobs to protect their pride and four freedoms that the Canada etc have not had to sign up too, that is the £520 billion pound question. Well of course not, there will be a deal in the end, but we shouldn't pretend they have more to lose than us if there isn't, they simply don't, we have nearly half of out trade at stake, the EU or any individual country within it has more like a tenth. Just look at how much air time it gets in our media, it barely warrants a page 6 mention in the rest of the EU.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:51:54 GMT
You are ball park with the percentages but what is not taken into account is will the EU stick to a no trade deal, will French farmers, German car makers take one for the team to ensure freedom of movement for Latvians, Estonians etc Will the EU make member states pay in jobs to protect their pride and four freedoms that the Canada etc have not had to sign up too, that is the £520 billion pound question. Well of course not, there will be a deal in the end, but we shouldn't pretend they have more to lose than us if there isn't, they simply don't, we have nearly half of out trade at stake, the EU or any individual country within it has more like a tenth. Just look at how much air time it gets in our media, it barely warrants a page 6 mention in the rest of the EU. They are just trying to appear unconcerned Gods ....page 6 ,surely not ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 10:41:45 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 10:45:27 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 3, 2017 11:04:49 GMT
Apparently the Brexit bill has been upped to £92bn. It astounds me that so many people who are against Brexit cite the way The EU leaders have unanimously decided to try to hurt us as much as possible (for making a democratic decision no less!) as a reason for why Brexit is a bad thing. I'm heartened though that there are a decent number of remain voters who are looking at things and starting to realise what a truly atrocious and despicable corporation The EU is. We have a huge trade deficit with The EU. They should be begging us for a good deal, not the other way round. They're so desperate and maniacal in pursuit of their eventual one world government and one world race that they are willing to hurt themselves to keep moving towards that goal. Mrs May's response to the extortionate bill should be "if you want it, come and try to take it". By the sounds of things, it looks like she made a diplomatic version of noise to that effect. Good on her! The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner.
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Post by liquidlen on May 3, 2017 11:10:50 GMT
Apparently the Brexit bill has been upped to £92bn. It astounds me that so many people who are against Brexit cite the way The EU leaders have unanimously decided to try to hurt us as much as possible (for making a democratic decision no less!) as a reason for why Brexit is a bad thing. I'm heartened though that there are a decent number of remain voters who are looking at things and starting to realise what a truly atrocious and despicable corporation The EU is. We have a huge trade deficit with The EU. They should be begging us for a good deal, not the other way round. They're so desperate and maniacal in pursuit of their eventual one world government and one world race that they are willing to hurt themselves to keep moving towards that goal. Mrs May's response to the extortionate bill should be "if you want it, come and try to take it". By the sounds of things, it looks like she made a diplomatic version of noise to that effect. Good on her! The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. Good luck with that. It's common knowledge that the EU has perhaps the single best negotiations team on this planet. We have David Davies and Liam Fox.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 11:44:07 GMT
The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. Good luck with that. It's common knowledge that the EU has perhaps the single best negotiations team on this planet. We have David Davies and Liam Fox. Where is it common knowledge ? .
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 11:52:24 GMT
When British assets look incredibly cheap it's no surprise foreign banks/companies/investors want to buy them? It proves nothing other than money will sniff out ways to speculate!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:03:33 GMT
Apparently the Brexit bill has been upped to £92bn. It astounds me that so many people who are against Brexit cite the way The EU leaders have unanimously decided to try to hurt us as much as possible (for making a democratic decision no less!) as a reason for why Brexit is a bad thing. I'm heartened though that there are a decent number of remain voters who are looking at things and starting to realise what a truly atrocious and despicable corporation The EU is. We have a huge trade deficit with The EU. They should be begging us for a good deal, not the other way round. They're so desperate and maniacal in pursuit of their eventual one world government and one world race that they are willing to hurt themselves to keep moving towards that goal. Mrs May's response to the extortionate bill should be "if you want it, come and try to take it". By the sounds of things, it looks like she made a diplomatic version of noise to that effect. Good on her! The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. To quote Yanis Varoufakis on sky news ... “What Mr Barnier just said, his message to London is this: ‘We’re going to enter a negotiation, you must commit in advance to everything we want from you, without us committing to giving you anything back’. “‘When you have given us a full commitment on everything we want, then at some point with the clock ticking beyond the two-year period, then we will think about what you want’. “It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.”
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on May 3, 2017 12:22:43 GMT
I saw that yesterday on a separate source, but I was "keeping the powder dry".
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 12:33:32 GMT
The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. To quote Yanis Varoufakis on sky news ... “What Mr Barnier just said, his message to London is this: ‘We’re going to enter a negotiation, you must commit in advance to everything we want from you, without us committing to giving you anything back’. “‘When you have given us a full commitment on everything we want, then at some point with the clock ticking beyond the two-year period, then we will think about what you want’. “It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.” Why do they want to declare hostilities on us when they are preparing to crawl on their bellies begging so they can sell their products into the stagnating British market. It was the Tory Eurosceptics and Farage who told the British people the E.U. would be desperate for a deal. The British people were lied to and as time passes this is becoming increasingly apparent.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on May 3, 2017 12:39:05 GMT
To quote Yanis Varoufakis on sky news ... “What Mr Barnier just said, his message to London is this: ‘We’re going to enter a negotiation, you must commit in advance to everything we want from you, without us committing to giving you anything back’. “‘When you have given us a full commitment on everything we want, then at some point with the clock ticking beyond the two-year period, then we will think about what you want’. “It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.” Why do they want to declare hostilities on us when they are preparing to crawl on their bellies begging so they can sell their products into the stagnating British market. It was the Tory Eurosceptics and Farage who told the British people the E.U. would be desperate for a deal. The British people were lied to and as time passes this is becoming increasingly apparent. Wow..... It was the Tory Eurosceptics.... You do know it was a cross party referendum and there were Eurosceptics in Labour too? The same accusation could be thrown in that the inability of Labour's leadership to communicate with the voters contributed massively to the Remain vote losing. That is why there was such a backlash as to why Corbyn and the Labour leadership were so ineffective. Sigh.. You do also know that it was the Tory Government who wanted to remain too as well as the Lib Dems, SNP, Green etc etc.... hence why they put the "B Team" in charge of the Leave vote as a sideshow
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Post by spitthedog on May 3, 2017 12:42:53 GMT
"We won't pay 100billion"
Translate that to
OK, We will pay £100billion (we agreed to but never told anyone) but only when the elections are over and people have been gullible enough to entrust us with fucking up negotiations
Just headlines to stir more fake jingoism, give the illusion that all our ills are created by foreigners and perpetuate the lie that they are working in our interests, and that the delusional "we" are always the innocent victims of any injustice.
Watch the headline the Sun and Daily Mail tomorrow
the follow up to "EU Doctors eat babies"
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 12:45:33 GMT
Why do they want to declare hostilities on us when they are preparing to crawl on their bellies begging so they can sell their products into the stagnating British market. It was the Tory Eurosceptics and Farage who told the British people the E.U. would be desperate for a deal. The British people were lied to and as time passes this is becoming increasingly apparent. Wow..... It was the Tory Eurosceptics.... You do know it was a cross party referendum and there were Eurosceptics in Labour too? The same accusation could be thrown in that the inability of Labour's leadership to communicate with the voters contributed massively to the Remain vote losing. That is why there was such a backlash as to why Corbyn and the Labour leadership were so ineffective. Sigh.. You do also know that it was the Tory Government who wanted to remain too as well as the Lib Dems, SNP, Green etc etc.... hence why they put the "B Team" in charge of the Leave vote as a sideshow Unlike ex-pats who no longer live here, I was surrounded by the debate for months! The Tory government didn't want to 'Remain' as Cameron gave his Cabinet the right to campaign against him. So Strong and Stable Cameron didn't have the balls to insist his own ministers support him! I fact, if Johnson had campaigned with him and May hadn't gone into hiding Cameron would have won! Strong and Stable = Weak and Wankers!
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 13:04:19 GMT
To quote Yanis Varoufakis on sky news ... “What Mr Barnier just said, his message to London is this: ‘We’re going to enter a negotiation, you must commit in advance to everything we want from you, without us committing to giving you anything back’. “‘When you have given us a full commitment on everything we want, then at some point with the clock ticking beyond the two-year period, then we will think about what you want’. “It’s effectively a declaration of hostility.” Why do they want to declare hostilities on us when they are preparing to crawl on their bellies begging so they can sell their products into the stagnating British market. It was the Tory Eurosceptics and Farage who told the British people the E.U. would be desperate for a deal. The British people were lied to and as time passes this is becoming increasingly apparent. Do you still not get the difference between the institution of the EU and its member states and their companies.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 13:08:32 GMT
Why do they want to declare hostilities on us when they are preparing to crawl on their bellies begging so they can sell their products into the stagnating British market. It was the Tory Eurosceptics and Farage who told the British people the E.U. would be desperate for a deal. The British people were lied to and as time passes this is becoming increasingly apparent. Do you still not get the difference between the institution of the EU and its member states and their companies. Everytime, you post on these Proboards 'followyouwherever' that we don't have to pay anything the bill doubles! I'm glad I've never had a 'night on the town' with you! Haha! Haha!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 3, 2017 13:31:38 GMT
100 Billion euros!! That's about 80 - 90 Billion pounds!!! For that kind of money, Diane Abbott could employ about 3 Billion policemen........... or women
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 13:39:49 GMT
The EU are not trying to "hurt us" - they are negotiating a better deal for their members. The same as the UK is trying to get the best deals for the UK. I hope the British negotiators are made of something sterner. You're being ridiculous if you don't recognise that those at The EU desperately want The UK to suffer as a warning to any other dissident nations. It's not personal of course but it is the reality of the situation. They would sooner see UK children starve than see their beloved failed project disintegrate.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 14:02:43 GMT
I saw that yesterday on a separate source, but I was "keeping the powder dry". Build a good reserve up , there's over a month to go yet
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Post by followyoudown on May 3, 2017 15:06:48 GMT
Well Mrs T (May) has just bitch slapped the EU outside number 10 over trying to influence the British election and making threats. About fucking time
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 15:09:21 GMT
Well Mrs T (May) has just bitch slapped the EU outside number 10 over trying to influence the British election and making threats. About fucking time Who's been exploiting Brexit for political gain? Surprise! Surpise! It's the fucking Tory Party!
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Post by capto on May 3, 2017 15:13:47 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 3, 2017 15:18:11 GMT
What's the matter? Isn't JP Morgan convinced by our Strong and Stable leader? Haha! Haha! Haha!
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