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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2016 7:48:13 GMT
Possibly but if I had to pick between Hughes or Koeman or indeed was offering daft sums to get a manager, I wouldn't go for Hughes. He'd be in the running but I'd just want someone that bit better, like Koeman. That was kind of my point, with an extra couple of wins and a draw at the start of the season and a couple of extra wins at the end, instead of the terrible form we did show and we would have finished above Southampton. Which would possibly have created the perception that Hughes was at that level. I don't think it does though. They have way more good pr etc and finished above us last season too. It would have helped but I think you'd still pick Koeman every time.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 5, 2016 7:50:26 GMT
That was kind of my point, with an extra couple of wins and a draw at the start of the season and a couple of extra wins at the end, instead of the terrible form we did show and we would have finished above Southampton. Which would possibly have created the perception that Hughes was at that level. I think the fact that Hughes is British counts against him too. Not a 'sexy' enough name. If we'd had the finishes Soton had had he'd have been right in the mix for a bigger job, no question. There's no snobbery surrounding British managers, the ones who do well get opportunities the same as managers from overseas.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 5, 2016 7:53:51 GMT
That was kind of my point, with an extra couple of wins and a draw at the start of the season and a couple of extra wins at the end, instead of the terrible form we did show and we would have finished above Southampton. Which would possibly have created the perception that Hughes was at that level. I don't think it does though. They have way more good pr etc and finished above us last season too. It would have helped but I think you'd still pick Koeman every time. Maybe but it'd be close. The bigger point being ... if we become more successful than we already are and it doesn't have to be significantly more successful, are we going to be ultimately faced with losing our manager?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2016 7:56:56 GMT
I don't think it does though. They have way more good pr etc and finished above us last season too. It would have helped but I think you'd still pick Koeman every time. Maybe but it'd be close. The bigger point being ... if we become more successful than we already are and it doesn't have to be significantly more successful, are we going to be ultimately faced with losing our manager? Of course but that's a good thing. Although I don't think there's many clubs bigger than us that would actually go for him. Everton being about the biggest. Would he be tempted to go Southampton? Possibly.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jun 5, 2016 8:00:26 GMT
I think the fact that Hughes is British counts against him too. Not a 'sexy' enough name. If we'd had the finishes Soton had had he'd have been right in the mix for a bigger job, no question. There's no snobbery surrounding British managers, the ones who do well get opportunities the same as managers from overseas. I still don't think their fans would be happy with it though. For example, when Pulis was sacked, a large number of us wanted Martinez over Hughes. What exactly had Martinez done? Hughes had a much better CV than him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 5, 2016 8:03:30 GMT
If we'd had the finishes Soton had had he'd have been right in the mix for a bigger job, no question. There's no snobbery surrounding British managers, the ones who do well get opportunities the same as managers from overseas. I still don't think their fans would be happy with it though. For example, when Pulis was sacked, a large number of us wanted Martinez over Hughes. What exactly had Martinez done? Hughes had a much better CV than him. Have to confess I never understood the Martinez love-in myself. Our fans who were so opposed to Hughes generally had the memory of your average goldfish and couldn't see past QPR. I think their fans would have been happier with it if he'd finished where Soton had to be honest.
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 5, 2016 8:16:50 GMT
If we become more successful losing our manager won't be a problem, next level managers will be applying for the job as well as being approached. Its the next step in our growth as a club
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Post by agingerstokie on Jun 6, 2016 10:09:09 GMT
5m compensation, seems quite a lot
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 7, 2016 15:04:31 GMT
confirmed by the BBC!!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 7, 2016 15:25:11 GMT
I don't think it does though. They have way more good pr etc and finished above us last season too. It would have helped but I think you'd still pick Koeman every time. Maybe but it'd be close. The bigger point being ... if we become more successful than we already are and it doesn't have to be significantly more successful, are we going to be ultimately faced with losing our manager? To be honest Paul, the fact that Hughes is already one of the longest serving managers in the Prem says a lot about football today. It seems that these days a manager can either fall slightly below expectations and gets sacked - or performs slightly above expectations and gets offers from "bigger" (or richer) clubs. Very few managers stay more than 5 years at one Premier League club. Fergie and Wenger are exceptions to the rule - although they are held in very different regard by their respective club's fans. If it is any consolation - the situation is even more ridiculous in the top European Leagues. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif)
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 8, 2016 19:57:05 GMT
Now Koeman has gone let's test the water with a bid for wanyama
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 8, 2016 20:09:35 GMT
Now Koeman has gone let's test the water with a bid for wanyama I should imagine that's what Everton will be doing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 8, 2016 20:18:17 GMT
Now Koeman has gone let's test the water with a bid for wanyama I should imagine that's what Everton will be doing Yup! It'll be interesting to see if he goes there. He will be expecting to go to a better club than Everton but is Koeman and the dream he's been sold be enough for Wanyama?
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2016 20:28:02 GMT
Could Koemans backroom staff get done if they bet on his departure when the odds were high?? Always wondered how this kind of thing is regulated as far as managers and staff and chairman go. Seems easy to fix somehow...
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Post by ryan4england on Jun 8, 2016 20:31:45 GMT
I should imagine that's what Everton will be doing Yup! It'll be interesting to see if he goes there. He will be expecting to go to a better club than Everton but is Koeman and the dream he's been sold be enough for Wanyama? Everton could be pickings this summer if their owners want to spend. Hopefully we'll stay away from Barry
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 9, 2016 0:39:00 GMT
I've put a tenner on Everton to win the Premiership at 150/1
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Post by kustokie on Jun 9, 2016 1:01:28 GMT
I should imagine that's what Everton will be doing Yup! It'll be interesting to see if he goes there. He will be expecting to go to a better club than Everton but is Koeman and the dream he's been sold be enough for Wanyama? I'd be surprised if there isn't a non-compete clause in the contract.
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