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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2016 10:58:44 GMT
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 26, 2016 10:59:22 GMT
Christ almighty Everton fans are deluded.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 26, 2016 11:00:28 GMT
Christ almighty Everton fans are deluded. Some people just can't admit there not a big club anymore |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:00:44 GMT
Do really think a guy like Marko Arnautovic cares about your clubs history? That's totally irrelevant to him, Stoke have won a trophy more recently than you in any case. When you refer to potential however, that could sway him. What you're failing to acknowledge is how far we've come from when he joined us and what our potential is. Don't compare us to West Brom either. The point I am making is that 2 11th place finishes under a manager who couldn't organise a defence has convinced some people that Everton are some midtable side when in reality have finished in or about the top 6/7 the past decade. Our starting 11 comprises of 2 Belgian internationals, 4 England internationals, 2 Irish internationals and Spains under 21 captain, we also are chasing the calibre of players such as Witsel and carvalho, and whilst we haven't signed them the fact we are after said players shows the ambition of the club. If martinez had managed yourselves last season and hughes managed us would you have finished above us? I doubt it. I'm not doubting Stoke have impoved massively in recent seasons but I think your fans are overestimating your potential. The fact we finished 11th yet could still take Koeman from 5th placed southampton and Walsh from title winning Leicester says a lot, would Stoke have been able to have done the same in our position? I think a lot of fans from the outside underestimate us and our massive potential, and that isn't to direspect Stoke in anyway who as I've always said I have a soft spot for. All I'll say is I've heard the "why would he make a sideways/downwards step to everton from Southampton fans regrading Koeman... Personally with the same wind as Man Citeh, for example, I think you'd be twice the club. I rate you as the most biggest sleeping giant in the Premier League. The challenge for your owners is now to put their money where their mouth is and stop messages like yours above sounding like excuse making for the next 5 years or so. Over to them I guess. |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jul 26, 2016 11:00:45 GMT
All I'll say is I've heard the "why would he make a sideways/downwards step to everton from Southampton fans regrading Koeman...
Money - the same reason Arnautovic would move?
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Post by mrred on Jul 26, 2016 11:00:47 GMT
I want him to sign a new deal so much. 1) to shut up the Arnie haters who think he's a greedy bastard, and in the process 2) hope he laughed in the face of Everton after they activate his release clause. Do it Arnie. I wouldn't say he's a 'greedy bastard', but he's a footballer in 2016 where they have all the power. Undoubtedly he wanted to bump his wages or expected his stock to rise, where it's probably stagnated after a poor Euro's and no one else has come knocking. So now he's back to the same square 1 he's at when a contract was first offered to him. His brother sounds like a lecherous cunt, mind. Irrespective of my jaded view of footballers I'd much prefer him playing for us than not. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2016 11:03:20 GMT
Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! What new stadium? Where is it? Got planning permission? Everton even found a site for it? When it's built then you can use that as a tool to attract players not when it's a vague plan. Arnoutivic career might well be fine finished before your shiny stadium is a factor. Meanwhile a quick glance at your dilapidated decrepit dump will surely put players off. Our stadium might not be the best but it's fat more impressive than yours. For a self styled big club that's shocking. Everyone trophy winning past is long gone. Everton clearly do not have significant money to change that. Everton are in the same pond as us. Get used to it. Damn right mate , he clearly forgot our new corner . Costed and planned for next year . A bird in the hand and all that |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:05:05 GMT
Come on Marko you absolute nutcase, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease sign
I can't be the only person here who absolutely loves the magnificent bastard.
Do it for Bojycakes
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Post by Northy on Jul 26, 2016 11:05:16 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2016 11:05:22 GMT
I also don't think other clubs actually know or appreciate how shitting rich our owner is.
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 26, 2016 11:05:46 GMT
We'll finish above the blue scouse rats anyway.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 26, 2016 11:06:08 GMT
Do really think a guy like Marko Arnautovic cares about your clubs history? That's totally irrelevant to him, Stoke have won a trophy more recently than you in any case. When you refer to potential however, that could sway him. What you're failing to acknowledge is how far we've come from when he joined us and what our potential is. Don't compare us to West Brom either. The point I am making is that 2 11th place finishes under a manager who couldn't organise a defence has convinced some people that Everton are some midtable side when in reality have finished in or about the top 6/7 the past decade. Our starting 11 comprises of 2 Belgian internationals, 4 England internationals, 2 Irish internationals and Spains under 21 captain, we also are chasing the calibre of players such as Witsel and carvalho, and whilst we haven't signed them the fact we are after said players shows the ambition of the club. If martinez had managed yourselves last season and hughes managed us would you have finished above us? I doubt it. I'm not doubting Stoke have impoved massively in recent seasons but I think your fans are overestimating your potential. The fact we finished 11th yet could still take Koeman from 5th placed southampton and Walsh from title winning Leicester says a lot, would Stoke have been able to have done the same in our position? I think a lot of fans from the outside underestimate us and our massive potential, and that isn't to direspect Stoke in anyway who as I've always said I have a soft spot for. All I'll say is I've heard the "why would he make a sideways/downwards step to everton from Southampton fans regarding Koeman. (although I doubt we are even in for him based on the original vague source). I wouldn't be bragging about having 4 English internationals but 1 of them England internationals wants out as does 1 of the Belgium internationals. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 26, 2016 11:07:16 GMT
I'm worried for potterspirlo/jurganvandurzen, has somebody pulled the plug?
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2016 11:08:33 GMT
How does one "costume" Clayton Woods  |
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Post by trentvale68 on Jul 26, 2016 11:08:47 GMT
Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Do really think a guy like Marko Arnautovic cares about your clubs history? That's totally irrelevant to him, Stoke have won a trophy more recently than you in any case. When you refer to potential however, that could sway him. What you're failing to acknowledge is how far we've come from when he joined us and what our potential is. Don't compare us to West Brom either. Totally agree
The comparison is disgraceful - done no more than West Brom??!!
Only had consistent Top 10 finishes, never flirted with relegation, A 5-0 semi final win in the FA Cup, An FA Cup final appearance, decent league cup runs, European football, thrashing the other Merseyside team 6-1.
The only thing Albion have is an ability at setpieces; which is a given for TP
But let's not let the facts get in the way of widespread misconception?
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Post by richardparker on Jul 26, 2016 11:08:57 GMT
Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Dream on. Absolutely! It was a little over a decade ago Everton just survived the drop, ... not once but two years running. Living in Liverpool, I went to watch a night match v Spurs (Kenny Sanson on loan from Arsenal, I think) with around 13,000 in the crowd. You don't even have a History Channel, like your good neighbours do! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2016 11:09:25 GMT
Is being a greedy bastard that bad of a thing anyway?
It really does show a lack of empathy imo.
Mostly we'd all be greedy in this situation, it's human nature and the right thing to do!
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2016 11:09:30 GMT
I'm worried for potterspirlo/jurganvandurzen, has somebody pulled the plug? We can only hope. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2016 11:09:56 GMT
Do really think a guy like Marko Arnautovic cares about your clubs history? That's totally irrelevant to him, Stoke have won a trophy more recently than you in any case. When you refer to potential however, that could sway him. What you're failing to acknowledge is how far we've come from when he joined us and what our potential is. Don't compare us to West Brom either. The point I am making is that 2 11th place finishes under a manager who couldn't organise a defence has convinced some people that Everton are some midtable side when in reality have finished in or about the top 6/7 the past decade. Our starting 11 comprises of 2 Belgian internationals, 4 England internationals, 2 Irish internationals and Spains under 21 captain, we also are chasing the calibre of players such as Witsel and carvalho, and whilst we haven't signed them the fact we are after said players shows the ambition of the club. If martinez had managed yourselves last season and hughes managed us would you have finished above us? I doubt it. I'm not doubting Stoke have impoved massively in recent seasons but I think your fans are overestimating your potential. The fact we finished 11th yet could still take Koeman from 5th placed southampton and Walsh from title winning Leicester says a lot, would Stoke have been able to have done the same in our position? I think a lot of fans from the outside underestimate us and our massive potential, and that isn't to direspect Stoke in anyway who as I've always said I have a soft spot for. All I'll say is I've heard the "why would he make a sideways/downwards step to everton from Southampton fans regarding Koeman. (although I doubt we are even in for him based on the original vague source). Nobody is suggesting Everton aren't a big club with a cash injection a la man city you could be a lot bigger . However at this moment in time the difference in our clubs isn't so great . Not great enough to meet armies wishes to play at a big CL club . That's why we don't like it . If PSG or Dortmund came in for him good luck and thanks Arnie You cannot however compare kenwrights transfer Dong to uncle pete,s |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:10:40 GMT
Do really think a guy like Marko Arnautovic cares about your clubs history? That's totally irrelevant to him, Stoke have won a trophy more recently than you in any case. When you refer to potential however, that could sway him. What you're failing to acknowledge is how far we've come from when he joined us and what our potential is. Don't compare us to West Brom either. The point I am making is that 2 11th place finishes under a manager who couldn't organise a defence has convinced some people that Everton are some midtable side when in reality have finished in or about the top 6/7 the past decade. Our starting 11 comprises of 2 Belgian internationals, 4 England internationals, 2 Irish internationals and Spains under 21 captain, we also are chasing the calibre of players such as Witsel and carvalho, and whilst we haven't signed them the fact we are after said players shows the ambition of the club. If martinez had managed yourselves last season and hughes managed us would you have finished above us? I doubt it. I'm not doubting Stoke have impoved massively in recent seasons but I think your fans are overestimating your potential. The fact we finished 11th yet could still take Koeman from 5th placed southampton and Walsh from title winning Leicester says a lot, would Stoke have been able to have done the same in our position? I think a lot of fans from the outside underestimate us and our massive potential, and that isn't to direspect Stoke in anyway who as I've always said I have a soft spot for. All I'll say is I've heard the " why would he make a sideways/downwards step to everton from Southampton fans regrading Koeman...Erm, money? And the life and career of an established manager/coach vs that of a player is very different. For Koeman and Walsh, this could be a long-term project with a whole team moulded and shaped in their image and will have a heavy influence on the ability to realise said club's potential. For a player (unless they are truly world-class and a 'brand' in their own right) their priorities and outlook, and investment in that project, is very different. They're looking at the immediate future and what can be done and what their earning power is for the next 2-3 seasons; not about whether a club they join could move into a new stadium in 5 years time, or has as much potential of qualifying for European footy as the club he currently plays for. For the record, we have also shown interest in Witsel. We have 3 Irish Internationals, 1 Welsh International, 1 Egyptian International, 1 Austrian International, 1 American International, 1 English International, 1 Dutch International, 1 Swiss International, 1 Senegalese International... Football has changed beyond recognition since Everton won things, and I dare say there's been another step change in the last 3-4 seasons, and with this new TV deal, things are getting even more competitive. I do like Everton as a club but, imho, you've stood still whilst the league around you has moved forward. We'll see if Koeman can work his magic and sell the club to the players he wants and get them to buy in to his vision, but he might find it more difficult than he (or you?) imagine. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 26, 2016 11:12:11 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jul 26, 2016 11:14:15 GMT
How does one "costume" Clayton Woods put on some flares, false sidies and a long haired wig ? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2016 11:18:00 GMT
I reckon he'll have another clause in there but it can't be as low as it stands now.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2016 11:19:21 GMT
How does one "costume" Clayton Woods I really wondered about that myself, but as I'm not a native speaker I wouldn't be the one to ask! Is this in any way a common use of that word in English?  |
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Post by scfc25 on Jul 26, 2016 11:20:13 GMT
Football has changed so much in the last 20 years, Everton will always be in the shadow of the other club on Merseyside, both clubs living in the past unwilling to fathom the possibility of little Stoke challenging at the high table, for what its worth Everton are a bigger club but they are a shadow of the club their fans think
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jul 26, 2016 11:21:28 GMT
All the best if you stay Arnie
No hard feelings if you go
It has dragged on long enough though 😕
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 26, 2016 11:22:09 GMT
I used to think everton fans were orate, my i was wrong, they are slightly deluded, and just mention their past history and that they're a bigger club. They've gone backwards in the last 10 years whereas we've made monumental strides.
At least when bego n zonz went, one went to the then current champions in a bid to be no1 gk, and the other took a paycut to go on to the then europa league champs and go on to lift the cup himself.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 26, 2016 11:23:46 GMT
Hello Arnie?
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Post by gogogadget on Jul 26, 2016 11:27:49 GMT
Come on Marko you absolute nutcase, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease sign I can't be the only person here who absolutely loves the magnificent bastard. Do it for Bojycakes Trust me your not. If he stays I'm trying to come up with a song we can sing while playing Everton. There are better Wordsworth's on here than me so feel free to conjure up a classic. In my head we are winning 2-0 and Arnie has just scored. The obvious one would be He turned you down, he turned you down City's Arnoutovic,he turned you down |
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Post by trentvale68 on Jul 26, 2016 11:30:27 GMT
Football has changed so much in the last 20 years, Everton will always be in the shadow of the other club on Merseyside, both clubs living in the past unwilling to fathom the possibility of little Stoke challenging at the high table, for what its worth Everton are a bigger club but they are a shadow of the club their fans think Id agree with that
Certainly not that much greater opportunity to win cups and as for the league, we can all forget that after last seasons one in a million; the Big 4 will not be letting that happen again
Everton may be SLIGHTLY above sideways in terms of moving but not massively so; not worth (for me anyway) leaving a club where you are appreciated, settled, are an almost guaranteed starter, are scoring goals consistently for your position etc. I would say its a gamble
I honestly think there is more distance between us & WBA than between Everton & Stoke.
Don't get me wrong, Everton have huge potential and in 5 years time, it may be different in terms of gap between us & them but its not going to happen overnight and I doubt Arnie is going to really reap much in benefit in terms of trophies. If it goes it must be all about money. Even then I don't see Everton offering anything ridiculous like doubling his wages or even close
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