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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:57:41 GMT
Interestng how our most reliable and British players are happy to resign. Glen, Charlie, Walters (who rightly wanted an extent in in length and not wages) Nice bit of xenophobia thrown in as well now. Couldn't possibly be because no one wants them. Surely not. |
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Post by gogogadget on Jul 26, 2016 9:58:10 GMT
I have no information to say why, but I really can't see him leaving, really. I believe the contract will be signed before the weekend. Hope so anyway I've no info either but my sense is the opposite. He's off, he's promised himself he is off so off he is. Not so sure about the money thing but Koeman and Everton will be selling the club hard to him, not just the money but the potential, the trophy cabinet, not this season for Europe but the next 2 and 3 seasons after that. They have won a lot of shit down the years and will feel they can do so again. Well chief, one of will be right, I'm hoping its me, but your points are what Ronald will using. He must look at what we have done and question if we can achieve something, maybe make history and go down in our history as the best period we have had, but hopefully not more to come |
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Post by jeycov on Jul 26, 2016 10:00:27 GMT
The contract we are offering has a very high release clause and he doesn't want it to be that high. The extra money isn't as big a deal as it is made out to be. Interesting. However if that's the sticking point then it's still a money issue rather than a football One. As his current release clause conditions are void after the end of July ( I understand that this is the case ) then this delay does make some sense on both sides. Time for compromise? I do hope so |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2016 10:01:56 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2016 10:03:45 GMT
Sky Austria know fuck all.
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Post by liamo on Jul 26, 2016 10:04:09 GMT
Didn't believe the Austrian article yesterday but i definitely believe the Austrian article today
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 10:04:32 GMT
You can't blame someone for wanting to improve their chances of winning something or moving on to bigger and better things.
We just need to thank him for his time here and wish him good luck if he decides to go.
The fault if anywhere is with us by not improving enough to make him want to stay. In short he wants success faster than he thinks he can get it here.
I hope he's wrong.
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Post by fcsscfc on Jul 26, 2016 10:06:21 GMT
They are indeed saying that he now wants to stay and sign a 4 year contract... |
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Post by themistocles on Jul 26, 2016 10:06:29 GMT
People need to prepare themselves .... Did you think you were going to get a few bites? No comment on our new signings harbinger? No I'm offering my opinion on the matter pwinckle |
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 26, 2016 10:07:18 GMT
Sky reporter just said that even if an offer was on the table, he wants to stay for his final 12months.
Reporter goes on to say that he questions whether Everton are even interested.
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Post by bmstoke on Jul 26, 2016 10:11:12 GMT
Stoke City of Vienna? That'll fuck my matchday routine up a bit. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 26, 2016 10:13:38 GMT
I don't understand why Arnie would leave for Everton given how difficult he has found it to fit into almost every club he has been at (apart from Stoke). Yes, Everton are bigger than Stoke, but I don't believe the gap between us and them is big enough to warrant a move. Money might be an issue, but if you earn north of £50k a week it can't make that much difference. If this was a top club in Champ League I would totally get it and Stoke would have served its purpose for him, but I don't think Everton are there yet. I believe we are as likely this season to reach Europe as Everton are. If they spend big and break top 4 in a couple of years then the outlook is different. Club size apart, I honestly believe our transition to top 6 is further ahead than Everton's recovery to top 6. Arnie would be better signing a new deal, having another good season and getting a move to a genuine top club for big money. I hope he bides his time and gives us another year or two. At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. |
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Post by sonichuth on Jul 26, 2016 10:14:05 GMT
Interestng how our most reliable and British players are happy to resign. Glen, Charlie, Walters (who rightly wanted an extent in in length and not wages) Daft comment |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2016 10:14:55 GMT
Interesting. However if that's the sticking point then it's still a money issue rather than a football One. As his current release clause conditions are void after the end of July ( I understand that this is the case ) then this delay does make some sense on both sides. Time for compromise? I do hope so Everton can have him for £50m on 1st August then. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 26, 2016 10:15:36 GMT
Did you think you were going to get a few bites? No comment on our new signings harbinger? No I'm offering my opinion on the matter pwinckle Go on then... |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jul 26, 2016 10:17:41 GMT
Potentially being the key word, he hasn't gone anywhere yet. If you had the opporunity to earn more money doing the same job for a different company would you stay at your current job? I love that we are happy to refer to playing football for Stoke City as nothing more than a job. How many of us work in jobs where there are forums dedicated to it, where people scream your name and ask for autographs, where you are treated like a God (rightly or wrongly)? If this is the same as working for the Council then why do we even go or give a shit? When I worked for the council people used to scream my name. |
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Post by bmstoke on Jul 26, 2016 10:19:10 GMT
No I'm offering my opinion on the matter pwinckle Go on then... Another one who was nowhere to be seen yesterday. |
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Post by cruxmeister on Jul 26, 2016 10:20:21 GMT
I don't understand why Arnie would leave for Everton given how difficult he has found it to fit into almost every club he has been at (apart from Stoke). Yes, Everton are bigger than Stoke, but I don't believe the gap between us and them is big enough to warrant a move. Money might be an issue, but if you earn north of £50k a week it can't make that much difference. If this was a top club in Champ League I would totally get it and Stoke would have served its purpose for him, but I don't think Everton are there yet. I believe we are as likely this season to reach Europe as Everton are. If they spend big and break top 4 in a couple of years then the outlook is different. Club size apart, I honestly believe our transition to top 6 is further ahead than Everton's recovery to top 6. Arnie would be better signing a new deal, having another good season and getting a move to a genuine top club for big money. I hope he bides his time and gives us another year or two. At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Fair point. I suppose "bigger" in this sense means historical achievements and fan base, but Stoke don't share a city with a proper football team so their fan base is large. Potential is bollocks and can't be used as a currency to lure players. Fact is Stoke are better than Everton right now. At the end of the season the league table will tell us if that is correct, but right now I just don't see Everton being an exciting prospect for him. And if we get Berahino, and get him firing, we could be the big movers this season. Sky Bet are offering 14/1 for us to finish top 6. Got £20 on it. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 26, 2016 10:25:56 GMT
I'd be disappointed in Arnie if he leaves for Everton. They're a bigger club than us but not so much bigger as to warrant leaving I'd say. Not enough of a step up.
Financially we're not far off, pretty much on par and could equal them if we wanted. I guess we would match whatever Everton offer him. Maybe not as a basic salary but as a signing on fee that makes up any difference.
Competitively, I think we're just as strong and have as much chance of winning silverware as they do. Aside from bettering them in the league.
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Post by efc on Jul 26, 2016 10:27:16 GMT
I don't understand why Arnie would leave for Everton given how difficult he has found it to fit into almost every club he has been at (apart from Stoke). Yes, Everton are bigger than Stoke, but I don't believe the gap between us and them is big enough to warrant a move. Money might be an issue, but if you earn north of £50k a week it can't make that much difference. If this was a top club in Champ League I would totally get it and Stoke would have served its purpose for him, but I don't think Everton are there yet. I believe we are as likely this season to reach Europe as Everton are. If they spend big and break top 4 in a couple of years then the outlook is different. Club size apart, I honestly believe our transition to top 6 is further ahead than Everton's recovery to top 6. Arnie would be better signing a new deal, having another good season and getting a move to a genuine top club for big money. I hope he bides his time and gives us another year or two. At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 10:31:11 GMT
Brilliant, the equivalent of Ron-Robert Dorschett. |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2016 10:33:39 GMT
At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Dream on. |
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 26, 2016 10:33:47 GMT
At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbaseRecent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Not in Egypt 😀 |
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Post by KevinWhimper on Jul 26, 2016 10:34:06 GMT
At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Not being funny pal but do you think he really gives a flying fuck that you won a few trophies before he was born. If the move is happening (which I don't think it will) then he's going for one thing and one thing only. Money. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2016 10:34:50 GMT
At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Do really think a guy like Marko Arnautovic cares about your clubs history? That's totally irrelevant to him, Stoke have won a trophy more recently than you in any case. When you refer to potential however, that could sway him. What you're failing to acknowledge is how far we've come from when he joined us and what our potential is. Don't compare us to West Brom either. |
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Post by wuzza on Jul 26, 2016 10:35:09 GMT
At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! Everton have a more successful history and a bigger fan base undoutedly. Nothing else about their current position is better than ours . Hence the only reason Arnie will move is for a higher pay packet as it is very doubtful he gives a monkeys about the above 2 issues. (Stoke players live in Cheshire just like Manc and LPool players, our owners are just as well off and have proven commitment, and Koeman isn't a big name in a PL terms) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 10:38:33 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 26, 2016 10:38:37 GMT
I hate it when people use attendances and history as a reason for players wanting to sign for a potential club. I can safely say it wouldn't come into a players thinking one bit when it comes to contract negotiations.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2016 10:41:37 GMT
At the risk of being a bore, again. I don't get this "bigger club". Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs, so were Leeds; look where they are now. I'd accept the arguments to move to a more successful, or CL club. I'd even accept moving if someone was offering mega bucks (who wouldn't?), but I don't accept moving to Everton because they are a bigger club. They are in danger of having their playing staff raided by the truly big clubs, i.e top 6 PL rich clubs, PSG, etc. Off the top of my head: More trophies Most seasons in top flight football Bigger fanbase Recent European football Consistent top 7 finishes in the last decade (apart from 2 seasons under the drip Martinez which has convinced some fans from other clubs that we are now a west brom) Plans to move to a new 55k seater stadium Owner committed to investing money into signings. A North West club which is attractive to players to live. working under a big name manager in Koeman. To suggest the only move up for a player from a non CL club is to a CL is deluded. Stoke have done no more than West Brom in recent seasons yet no doubt you'll see (and rightly so) Berahino moving to yourselves as a step up for him, whereas by some of your fans logic and similarly Southampton fans regarding Koeman only a move to a top 6 club would be a step up? Anyways no one know's what's happening, if he signs for us great, likewise if he stays hopefully he doesn't leave you guys in the lurch next season. Fans of a certain vintage are old enough to have seen better players come and go from their respective clubs, I wouldn't let sky and their manipulation of Skybet's odds keep you up at night! What new stadium? Where is it? Got planning permission? Everton even found a site for it? When it's built then you can use that as a tool to attract players not when it's a vague plan. Arnoutivic career might well be fine finished before your shiny stadium is a factor. Meanwhile a quick glance at your dilapidated decrepit dump will surely put players off. Our stadium might not be the best but it's fat more impressive than yours. For a self styled big club that's shocking. Everyone trophy winning past is long gone. Everton clearly do not have significant money to change that. Everton are in the same pond as us. Get used to it. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2016 10:41:41 GMT
Looking good then!
#Wellthatescalatedquickly
#KingArnie
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