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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:08:12 GMT
And when it's not bullshit, and he leaves to a team with no Champions League football, you will then join me in calling him a greedy bastard. I've just left the company I've worked for for 6 years to go to another one in the same industry for more money and,I feel, better career prospects. Am I a greedy bastard? Were you already being paid substantial amounts of money? Did they offer to pay you more money in order to stay? Did you tell them you wanted to move because you were getting a promotion(Champions League)? If you answered yes to those, Yes BM you're a greedy bastard. |
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Post by Biblical on Jul 26, 2016 9:08:46 GMT
Give your head a wobble mate. If he goes, and he goes for because he had the potential to earn more money then he goes with my blessing because there's not many footballers who would turn down the opportunity to earn more money. The likes of Bojan, Shaqiri etc have been prepared to come here because we've stumped up the money for them, it's just how football works. So, you're ok with the story all the time being, he wants to better himself - play in Europe all this horseshit for him to potentially leave to a team that have finished lower than us the past two seasons? And I cant call him a greedy bastard? Potentially being the key word, he hasn't gone anywhere yet. If you had the opporunity to earn more money doing the same job for a different company would you stay at your current job? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:10:42 GMT
All I've got to say is bollocks! That's all anyone else has to say and it doesn't seem to be stopping them mate. |
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2016 9:11:01 GMT
I've just left the company I've worked for for 6 years to go to another one in the same industry for more money and,I feel, better career prospects. Am I a greedy bastard? Were you already being paid substantial amounts of money? Did they offer to pay you more money in order to stay? Did you tell them you wanted to move because you were getting a promotion(Champions League)? If you answered yes to those, Yes BM you're a greedy bastard. You really are thick as pig shit. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2016 9:11:14 GMT
And when it's not bullshit, and he leaves to a team with no Champions League football, you will then join me in calling him a greedy bastard. I've just left the company I've worked for for 6 years to go to another one in the same industry for more money and,I feel, better career prospects. Am I a greedy bastard? You're a mercenary bastard who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing  |
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Post by richardparker on Jul 26, 2016 9:11:20 GMT
What's also interesting for me about all of this is the discussion about Everton as a club in relation to us.
3 or 4 years ago, we were using Everton as a target and benchmark for our success in the premier league. We aspired to match them on the pitch and in the market for players.
Putting aside their history of success over the past 100+ years (and our history of failure during the same time), and the fact that they have a bigger fanbase and larger attendances, we are now matching them. (OK they chose to spend big a couple of seasons ago for Lukaku, but that pretty much wiped out their transfer budget for the next 2 seasons).
So Arnie going to them isn't a popular destination for us as fans to palate, largely for the reasons I have stated above (and obviously what he has intimated about wanting to play in European competitions). Whichever way this ends up, we will continue to compete with Everton for the next season or so at least ... It will be interesting to see where we both are in 3 or 4 years from now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:11:46 GMT
He could be offered the same wages but his brother and him get a hefty signing on fee!
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jul 26, 2016 9:11:52 GMT
So, you're ok with the story all the time being, he wants to better himself - play in Europe all this horseshit for him to potentially leave to a team that have finished lower than us the past two seasons? And I cant call him a greedy bastard? Potentially being the key word, he hasn't gone anywhere yet. If you had the opporunity to earn more money doing the same job for a different company would you stay at your current job? I love that we are happy to refer to playing football for Stoke City as nothing more than a job. How many of us work in jobs where there are forums dedicated to it, where people scream your name and ask for autographs, where you are treated like a God (rightly or wrongly)? If this is the same as working for the Council then why do we even go or give a shit? |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2016 9:12:01 GMT
I don't suppose there's any chance people could see how it all plays out before backing themselves into a corner.
All we know is that he's our player, there's some half arsed story linking him with Everton and the majority of us would like him to stay.
Any chance the knives can be put away for now?
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Post by liamo on Jul 26, 2016 9:13:20 GMT
Fairy tale written all over it, Arnie leaves on the last day of the window, we struggle to find anyone at such short notice, the window closes and Scholes breaks down in tears thinking he's failed at his job
Then Ramadan walks in with his big Neymar smile and says two words before leaving, "no worries" before ripping the league apart this coming season, it's written in the stars
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:15:02 GMT
Were you already being paid substantial amounts of money? Did they offer to pay you more money in order to stay? Did you tell them you wanted to move because you were getting a promotion(Champions League)? If you answered yes to those, Yes BM you're a greedy bastard. You really are thick as pig shit. I find the fact you personally attack people rather than their views/opinions quite reflective of how intellectual you are. It's very easy to do that behind a username. |
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Post by Biblical on Jul 26, 2016 9:16:00 GMT
Potentially being the key word, he hasn't gone anywhere yet. If you had the opporunity to earn more money doing the same job for a different company would you stay at your current job? I love that we are happy to refer to playing football for Stoke City as nothing more than a job. How many of us work in jobs where there are forums dedicated to it, where people scream your name and ask for autographs, where you are treated like a God (rightly or wrongly)? If this is the same as working for the Council then why do we even go or give a shit? He's well liked by the fans here but if (IF) he goes to Everton and turns in displays for them like he has for us this last season then they'll be screaming his name and asking him for autographs, and he'll be getting paid more money for it too. Football is fickle and money talks, why do you think players like Pelle etc have gone to China? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:16:04 GMT
Interestng how our most reliable and British players are happy to resign. Glen, Charlie, Walters (who rightly wanted an extent in in length and not wages)
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2016 9:17:23 GMT
It's not impossible that Everton have triggered the release clause, they could also have implied a 4-year-contract, but this is far from Arnie going! If Arnie goes it will be because he wants to and that he sees Everton as a team where he could achieve things. If he thinks he just as well can achieve these things at Stoke I think he'll stay, and I actually still believe he will. If a CL team comes in for him that is another matter!  |
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 26, 2016 9:19:15 GMT
Have faith in Ramadona lads |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2016 9:22:09 GMT
Fairy tale written all over it, Arnie leaves on the last day of the window, we struggle to find anyone at such short notice, the window closes and Scholes breaks down in tears thinking he's failed at his job Then Ramadan walks in with his big Neymar smile and says two words before leaving, "no worries" before ripping the league apart this coming season, it's written in the stars I want to see him stand on the ball on the Arsenal penalty spot before a cheeky back heal into the far corner . Causing wengers head to explode in front of a silent Emirates crowd |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 26, 2016 9:25:58 GMT
You really are thick as pig shit. I find the fact you personally attack people rather than their views/opinions quite reflective of how intellectual you are. It's very easy to do that behind a username. Is the fact that you've stooped to personally abusing Arnie an indication of your intellectual capacity? And at least he's hiding behind the same username. |
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Post by cozmick on Jul 26, 2016 9:26:46 GMT
All I see in this thread is worry, not knicker wetters, just pure fucking worry that our arguably best player is on his way out due to money not ambition and it's a fucking shame.
He giveth (Allen) and he taketh away....ith (Arnie)
Football is so fucking cruel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:35:26 GMT
Interestng how our most reliable and British players are happy to resign. Glen, Charlie, Walters (who rightly wanted an extent in in length and not wages) Nice bit of xenophobia thrown in as well now. |
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2016 9:37:19 GMT
I find the fact you personally attack people rather than their views/opinions quite reflective of how intellectual you are. It's very easy to do that behind a username. Is the fact that you've stooped to personally abusing Arnie an indication of your intellectual capacity? And at least he's hiding behind the same username. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2016 9:43:44 GMT
All I see in this thread is worry, not knicker wetters, just pure fucking worry that our arguably best player is on his way out due to money not ambition and it's a fucking shame. He giveth (Allen) and he taketh away....ith (Arnie) Football is so fucking cruel. And the good Lord he giveth and he taketh away And the restless shall go and the faithful shall stay |
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Post by burge2u on Jul 26, 2016 9:45:06 GMT
It's quite simple as far as I am concerned.
If Arnie (or any other player) doesn't want to play for the club that I love, then he may as well leave, irrespective of how good he is or isn't .
Having removed any emotional attachment to the club by the player, it then just becomes a financial transaction.
Maximise the transfer fee that Stoke City get in return.
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Post by bandit on Jul 26, 2016 9:45:13 GMT
Just a thought on this why as it taken Sky Sports News nearly 24 hours to relay this news from Austria when it as been on Twitter since yesterday ?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 26, 2016 9:45:46 GMT
People need to prepare themselves .... Did you think you were going to get a few bites? No comment on our new signings harbinger? |
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 26, 2016 9:46:42 GMT
50 pages of name calling and oneupmanship later ............ Why does everyone feel so compelled to prove that their point of view is the right/best/only point go view around? So much so that they need to resort to calling names like little nursery school kids? The facts are that some love Arnie while others hate him with every flavor in-between. He may go while sticking a finger up at us or he may sign a new contract while kissing the badge and every flavor in-between.
Does it really matter if I believe flavor x will happen that I have to make sure everyone else believes it too? Does my health/wealth/happiness/standard of living increase dramatically if I succeed in winning the argument? I'm all for debate and discussing points of view, but let's keep a little perspective before spouting a bunch of insults at someone whose opinion is different to ours.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 26, 2016 9:50:08 GMT
50 pages of name calling and oneupmanship later ............ Why does everyone feel so compelled to prove that their point of view is the right/best/only point go view around? So much so that they need to resort to calling names like little nursery school kids? The facts are that some love Arnie while others hate him with every flavor in-between. He may go while sticking a finger up at us or he may sign a new contract while kissing the badge and every flavor in-between. Does it really matter if I believe flavor x will happen that I have to make sure everyone else believes it too? Does my health/wealth/happiness/standard of living increase dramatically if I succeed in winning the argument? I'm all for debate and discussing points of view, but let's keep a little perspective before spouting a bunch of insults at someone whose opinion is different to ours. Thanks for your input. |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jul 26, 2016 9:50:11 GMT
He who is without sin, cast the first stone. (Sin being wanting more money than you currently earn or have)
Any non stone throwers on here? No I didnt think so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:52:59 GMT
Interestng how our most reliable and British players are happy to resign. Glen, Charlie, Walters (who rightly wanted an extent in in length and not wages) Yep, and those other oh so British players Erik Pieters, Bojan, Geoff Cameron etc.  |
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jul 26, 2016 9:57:33 GMT
He has gone nowhere yet.. who knows what wage if true Everton will offer him..it may be well below what he has already been offered. by us..until he goes keep your powder dry.
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Post by cruxmeister on Jul 26, 2016 9:57:37 GMT
I don't understand why Arnie would leave for Everton given how difficult he has found it to fit into almost every club he has been at (apart from Stoke). Yes, Everton are bigger than Stoke, but I don't believe the gap between us and them is big enough to warrant a move. Money might be an issue, but if you earn north of £50k a week it can't make that much difference. If this was a top club in Champ League I would totally get it and Stoke would have served its purpose for him, but I don't think Everton are there yet. I believe we are as likely this season to reach Europe as Everton are. If they spend big and break top 4 in a couple of years then the outlook is different. Club size apart, I honestly believe our transition to top 6 is further ahead than Everton's recovery to top 6. Arnie would be better signing a new deal, having another good season and getting a move to a genuine top club for big money. I hope he bides his time and gives us another year or two.
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