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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 19:03:54 GMT
Do they? I'll reserve judgement Even if they weren't the move to Everton from Stoke is a move up for those who have nowt to do with Stoke. Unless Koeman and Walsh have been conned then I can't see them spending other than massively. Not particularly. If both teams were interested in the same player, offering the same money then the big club factor might swing it, but the modern day footballer doesn't think any deeper than that |
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Post by block30row19 on Jul 25, 2016 19:04:05 GMT
Done Deal 😄
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 25, 2016 19:04:07 GMT
Oh please. Do us all a favour.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2016 19:05:10 GMT
I've never really understood how the 'bigger club' thing matters unless it's complemented by greater chance of trophies, greater chances of finishing top 7, or playing in front of vastly more people every week. Not doubting Everton's history or latent support - but not sure any of that is actually there for them at the moment, or will be in the next little window of Arnie's career, certainly enough to override an environment where he's succeeded for the first time in his career But if their owner wants to make a little splash and offer him an obscene contract (and he's probably able to do that because he'd be getting Arnie for less than his market value), he's obviously going to bite. Still not 100% sure I buy this one yet though, although I wouldn't be gobsmacked if it's true. I think they have the potential tbh. I don't think they'll mess and losing Stones won't be a biggy, Lukaku yes but Koeman and Walsh will more than likely spend it wisely. They've built a good back room staff and have the potential there to make a very good side. I'd make the move all day long. Not sure I can see them making the jump. The two Manchesters, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leicester, West Ham.... I can see them being in and around Leicester and West Ham, and they may finish a few points ahead of Stoke - but can't see them being in the mix with the bigger boys. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2016 19:05:16 GMT
When Arnie decided to see how things pan out this summer,to see what deals came hid way,I doubt he had Everton in mind.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2016 19:05:53 GMT
I've never really understood how the 'bigger club' thing matters unless it's complemented by greater chance of trophies, greater chances of finishing top 7, or playing in front of vastly more people every week. Not doubting Everton's history or latent support - but not sure any of that is actually there for them at the moment, or will be in the next little window of Arnie's career, certainly enough to override an environment where he's succeeded for the first time in his career But if their owner wants to make a little splash and offer him an obscene contract (and he's probably able to do that because he'd be getting Arnie for less than his market value), he's obviously going to bite. Still not 100% sure I buy this one yet though, although I wouldn't be gobsmacked if it's true. I think they have the potential tbh. I don't think they'll mess and losing Stones won't be a biggy, Lukaku yes but Koeman and Walsh will more than likely spend it wisely. They've built a good back room staff and have the potential there to make a very good side. I'd make the move all day long. Losing Stones would improve them, and amazingly give them around £50m! |
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Post by george2again on Jul 25, 2016 19:05:53 GMT
Arnie does not strike me as someone who can make a fluid move straight in to another club like a Joe allen for example could and will probably take time to settle. He might well be a boo boy by then. gamble by Everton but the price is attractive.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2016 19:05:54 GMT
Can we have Oxlade-chamberlain as his replacement?
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2016 19:09:00 GMT
When Arnie decided to see how things pan out this summer,to see what deals came hid way,I doubt he had Everton in mind. Agreed. Having originally thought he might be deciding between Madrid, PSG, and Barca, he's left with egg on his face so might have to make a sideways move just because he thinks he has to. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2016 19:09:10 GMT
I think they have the potential tbh. I don't think they'll mess and losing Stones won't be a biggy, Lukaku yes but Koeman and Walsh will more than likely spend it wisely. They've built a good back room staff and have the potential there to make a very good side. I'd make the move all day long. Not sure I can see them making the jump. The two Manchesters, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leicester, West Ham.... I can see them being in and around Leicester and West Ham, and they may finish a few points ahead of Stoke - but can't see them being in the mix with the bigger boys. Leicester are going to be interesting. They look like a club ready to fall apart, maybe they will thrive on that? With a few astute signings I really don't think they're far off Liverpool and are pretty much in line with West Ham now. Martinez properly fucked them over, they're a lot better than what he showed. It'll be hard for them but if they manage to keep Lukaku which will be tough then they can do anything. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2016 19:09:31 GMT
Can we have Oxlade-chamberlain as his replacement? I'd jump at it without thinking twice. |
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 25, 2016 19:12:45 GMT
I'm not being funny Everton bloke, but you're talking as if you're going to be signing 11 Lionel Messi's imminently now that the clubs staff have been replaced; you're initial targets are Witsel and Arnautovic. More and more teams are spending big, and we, for example, could outbid you if needed. Koeman is a class manager, but without Lukaku it will take him those 3 years to turn you round. I will put my head on the line and say we're not in for a shock (by that I mean you won't get champions league football).
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2016 19:14:54 GMT
He hasn't gone anywhere (yet) but it hasn't taken long for some to stick the boot into him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 19:15:19 GMT
Evening chaps I come in peace. Any clues from any of your ITK's on this one? None of ours had heard this was true, only that we were making a signing in the next 2 days. No one really seems to know the real Arnautovic. Is he a MOTD player or is he a really good player? We all seem to know our own players and often know how to rate them better than opposing fans. No clue if we have moved for him. With regards to Everton, we have been shit for a couple of years due to Martinez, but before that were always 5-8th every season. We now have now adjusted the club from top to bottom from Moshiri, Koeman and Walsh and will attack the Premier League however it's needed. They will spend big. New stadium very soon and the aim is the league and champions league football very quick. You will see some massive names into Everton over the next few years People in the football circle can't believe it. Even Tony Scholes was questioning it. They are going for it big time. Personally, I don't see where he would fit within our squad if we do sign him. But for the price mentioned, I can see why Koeman would go in for him. Anyway, good luck for the season. Arnautovic spent the first period of his Stoke career (remembering that we signed him as something of a big-club failure at the time) frustrating the hell out of any Stoke fan that could bear to watch. A few games in, I can remember thinking "what the f@#k?". He's never really lost that frustrating streak, but as he got to grips with the Premier League, he became more consistent and today I'd say he's our most exciting player when on-song. You'll find him frustrating and exciting in equal measure; you won't find many players stronger on the ball, he's a beast when in the mood. He's got decent vision, just keep him off free kicks :/ He is a sulky so-and-so though, and although he does track back well, 90% of the time he's busting a gut to recover a ball he's lost. He seems to have an over-inflated opinion of himself, which comes across as arrogance, but I like that in a player. For £12.5m some other club, Everton or whoever, will be getting a steal in today's market. He couldn't be trusted anywhere near a Top 4 side, he's too inconsistent, and I genuinely don't think he'd be getting regular football at any of Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, even Liverpool. He just 'does things' that top sides wouldn't tolerate. His well-documented 'Champions League Winners' boots are as close as he'll get to the real thing. I love Arnie because he's the first maverick-with-talent we've had for ages. I can't understand a move to Everton, if it's for anything other than money, that's with all due respect because you're at the next level from us, albeit the margins are fine and you've struggled more recently. You're also not the PSG-type club, which I think is where he sees himself. £12.5m isn't a lot these days which makes any potential move all the more galling. It's too early to say "thanks for the memories Arnie" because he's literally not 'done it' for very long with us, and to this day, hasn't proven himself to be the player he thinks he is. All of that said, if he does sign a new contract, it will feel like a new signing, and a good proportion of Stoke fans will be chuffed to bits. |
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Post by george2again on Jul 25, 2016 19:16:11 GMT
Can we have Oxlade-chamberlain as his replacement? I'd jump at it without thinking twice. If you want a 10 game season man ! Injury, injury |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 25, 2016 19:17:20 GMT
Not sure I can see them making the jump. The two Manchesters, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leicester, West Ham.... I can see them being in and around Leicester and West Ham, and they may finish a few points ahead of Stoke - but can't see them being in the mix with the bigger boys. Leicester are going to be interesting. They look like a club ready to fall apart, maybe they will thrive on that? With a few astute signings I really don't think they're far off Liverpool and are pretty much in line with West Ham now. Martinez properly fucked them over, they're a lot better than what he showed. It'll be hard for them but if they manage to keep Lukaku which will be tough then they can do anything. They'll be good next season - but just can't see them making a massive leap. Forgot Southampton too. They're going to be interesting with the new manager. The top end is going to be so competitive next year. You've got to make 2 steps forward to stand still. |
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 25, 2016 19:18:31 GMT
He hasn't gone anywhere (yet) but it hasn't taken long for some to stick the boot into him. I wonder if so many people would take as gospel a story appearing exclusively in The Sun, claiming that a player had agreed a contract with Stoke despite there not being a single report of so much as a bid being made? |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 25, 2016 19:19:18 GMT
I'd jump at it without thinking twice. If you want a 10 game season man ! Injury, injury He will be doing proper training. Not the shit at the emirates that makes everyone brittle |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 25, 2016 19:19:33 GMT
He hasn't gone anywhere (yet) but it hasn't taken long for some to stick the boot into him. I wonder if so many people would take as gospel a story appearing exclusively in The Sun, claiming that a player had agreed a contract with Stoke despite there not being a single report of so much as a bid being made? Absolutely not. |
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Post by theevertonforum on Jul 25, 2016 19:20:13 GMT
Evening chaps I come in peace. Any clues from any of your ITK's on this one? None of ours had heard this was true, only that we were making a signing in the next 2 days. No one really seems to know the real Arnautovic. Is he a MOTD player or is he a really good player? We all seem to know our own players and often know how to rate them better than opposing fans. No clue if we have moved for him. With regards to Everton, we have been shit for a couple of years due to Martinez, but before that were always 5-8th every season. We now have now adjusted the club from top to bottom from Moshiri, Koeman and Walsh and will attack the Premier League however it's needed. They will spend big. New stadium very soon and the aim is the league and champions league football very quick. You will see some massive names into Everton over the next few years People in the football circle can't believe it. Even Tony Scholes was questioning it. They are going for it big time. Personally, I don't see where he would fit within our squad if we do sign him. But for the price mentioned, I can see why Koeman would go in for him. Anyway, good luck for the season. Arnautovic spent the first period of his Stoke career (remembering that we signed him as something of a big-club failure at the time) frustrating the hell out of any Stoke fan that could bear to watch. A few games in, I can remember thinking "what the f@#k?". He's never really lost that frustrating streak, but as he got to grips with the Premier League, he became more consistent and today I'd say he's our most exciting player when on-song. You'll find him frustrating and exciting in equal measure; you won't find many players stronger on the ball, he's a beast when in the mood. He's got decent vision, just keep him off free kicks :/ He is a sulky so-and-so though, and although he does track back well, 90% of the time he's busting a gut to recover a ball he's lost. He seems to have an over-inflated opinion of himself, which comes across as arrogance, but I like that in a player. For £12.5m some other club, Everton or whoever, will be getting a steal in today's market. He couldn't be trusted anywhere near a Top 4 side, he's too inconsistent, and I genuinely don't think he'd be getting regular football at any of Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, even Liverpool. He just 'does things' that top sides wouldn't tolerate. His well-documented 'Champions League Winners' boots are as close as he'll get to the real thing. I love Arnie because he's the first maverick-with-talent we've had for ages. I can't understand a move to Everton, if it's for anything other than money, that's with all due respect because you're at the next level from us, albeit the margins are fine and you've struggled more recently. You're also not the PSG-type club, which I think is where he sees himself. £12.5m isn't a lot these days which makes any potential move all the more galling. It's too early to say "thanks for the memories Arnie" because he's literally not 'done it' for very long with us, and to this day, hasn't proven himself to be the player he thinks he is. All of that said, if he does sign a new contract, it will feel like a new signing, and a good proportion of Stoke fans will be chuffed to bits. Thanks bud. nice reasoned reply and yeah agree with what you are saying. Top players would only move to us at the moment for money and the "project". I know he has been linked, but it is a signing out of the blue and Evertonians don't really know what to make of him. Whether it comes off is another story. No clue if there is any truth on it and people haven't been speaking like it is an imminent move up until an hour ago. Fancy a transfer to our forum - We have some right muppets come on board the last few days..... Probably kopites!!! |
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Post by richardparker on Jul 25, 2016 19:20:16 GMT
We have an attachment to Arnie, but in the cold light of day 15 million euros is not to be scoffed at for a player (in the final year of his contract) who believes he's bigger and better than Stoke.
As a previous poster said, he probably didn't have Everton in mind when he was angling for a move elsewhere. In the meantime (following a dreadful Euro campaign), he's probably convinced himself he needs a fresh challenge and will go anywhere just to get the extra weekly paypacket he thinks he is worth.
I'd like to say I wish him well if he does go, but being truthful, I don't.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2016 19:20:33 GMT
I'd jump at it without thinking twice. If you want a 10 game season man ! Injury, injury Replacing as some see it, a 10 game season man? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2016 19:21:44 GMT
This bares a strong resemblance to the RVP story to me. Apparently on the verge of signing for us then announces he's staying at Fenerbache a few hours later. Just hope this is the same.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2016 19:24:23 GMT
Leicester are going to be interesting. They look like a club ready to fall apart, maybe they will thrive on that? With a few astute signings I really don't think they're far off Liverpool and are pretty much in line with West Ham now. Martinez properly fucked them over, they're a lot better than what he showed. It'll be hard for them but if they manage to keep Lukaku which will be tough then they can do anything. They'll be good next season - but just can't see them making a massive leap. Forgot Southampton too. They're going to be interesting with the new manager. The top end is going to be so competitive next year. You've got to make 2 steps forward to stand still. We really have. Most are spending big and the areas we need to strengthen are the key ones. Centre half- still needed DM- presumably signed Striker- we know who we want Replacement for Top scorer- let's hope not! As much as I dislike him I think Koeman is a cracking manager and will get them playing some bloody good stuff. And will Lukaku leave? Will Chelsea want him now they got Batshuayi? I guess Arsenal or PSG may want him? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2016 19:25:51 GMT
Put it this way, if the deal is as close as reported, he'll be flying straight out of Florida pretty sharpish.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 25, 2016 19:26:05 GMT
If he goes I'll be gutted. Best outfield player last year.
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Post by liamo on Jul 25, 2016 19:26:30 GMT
If he goes he goes, have to bring in another winger but that's football
Hughes obviously worships the guy, let's see how his attitude goes if Koeman doesn't play him or he struggles to settle, sometimes the grass isn't always greener
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Post by thehoof on Jul 25, 2016 19:26:52 GMT
I think that Frustrated By weeds has got it exactly right. A perfect summary of Arnie, on his day brilliant(and he was in quite a few games last year), but when the gloom is with him, he is incredibly frustrating.
Given that he isn't being chased by one of Europe's elite (no disrespect to Everton), he needs to sort out where he wants to play - because if his head is not right, he becomes a liability.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 19:27:11 GMT
If he goes he goes, have to bring in another winger but that's football Hughes obviously worships the guy, let's see how his attitude goes if Koeman doesn't play him or he struggles to settle, sometimes the grass isn't always greener Correct mate. |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 25, 2016 19:27:11 GMT
He should get both barrels of abuse if he leaves for that shower of shit club.
All this nonesense about him wanted to achieve him ambitions when alls he cares about is lining is pocket, and with what a measly extra 20k a week?
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