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Post by st3mark on Jul 24, 2016 15:20:42 GMT
Arnie has grown on me, best player of the year last season. But this is running on too long now. I'd sign sobhi and a replacement for Arnie.
I can't stand to see him playing half heartedly until he goes on a free. Bite the bullet now. He's obviously got no loyalty to the club so the club should look after itself.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2016 15:20:44 GMT
My feelings about Arni are different to N'Zonzi, and Bego.
The latter two could handle a move, I'm not convinced Arni would thrive under the glare/pressure of new club, large fee, high wages, high expectations, etc. In fact I would say it would do his head in if the Everton crowd got on his back if he had a couple of bad games, which he regularly does. He is best served staying at Stoke and taking what is on offer.
IMO at least half of the big fee moves that take place result in disappointment (ManU, Liverpool, Newcastle have become experts at it) and things don't work out. Arni going to Everton as replacement for Lukaku has a distinct air of failure to meet expectations to me.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 15:22:19 GMT
My feelings about Arni are different to N'Zonzi, and Bego. The latter two could handle a move, I'm not convinced Arni would thrive under the glare/pressure of new club, large fee, high wages, high expectations, etc. In fact I would say it would do his head in if the Everton crowd got on his back if he had a couple of bad games, which he regularly does. He is best served staying at Stoke and taking what is on offer. IMO at least half of the big fee moves that take place result in disappointment (ManU, Liverpool, Newcastle have become experts at it) and things don't work out. Arni going to Everton as replacement for Lukaku has a distinct air of failure to meet expectations to me. Great post. Nail on head. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2016 15:25:35 GMT
If as rumoured Everton will come in with a bid for Arnie I think we should put in a bid for Mirallas.  |
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 24, 2016 15:33:33 GMT
When agents start to advise clients what is best for them and not what is best for there own pockets life may slowly start to revert back to normal.
I will not hold my breath in anticipation.
If Arnie leaves Stoke he will be a forgotten nobody in a few years time.
Stay and he could do something with his life.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 15:53:27 GMT
When agents start to advise clients what is best for them and not what is best for there own pockets life may slowly start to revert back to normal. I will not hold my breath in anticipation. If Arnie leaves Stoke he will be a forgotten nobody in a few years time. Stay and he could do something with his life. I agree. Agents are the scum of the earth - total bottom feeders. Unfortunately, they're a fact of life and the most successful negotiators are the ones that can play them at their own game. It ain't what it used to be, sadly. |
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Post by no1972 on Jul 24, 2016 15:57:36 GMT
The club have offered Arnie a contract which apparently is well paid for kicking a bag of wind.He needs to sign it in the next week or put in a transfer request,so we can plan without him.Nobody had heard of him before we signed him and let's be honest he was no very good in his first 18 months.So either MH has made him a better player or he as pulled his socks up to try and get a move.On his day he is very good which I would say last season was about70% of the time.He would need to be very good all the time if he wants to play for a top flight club,that's why Everton would be the perfect fit for him,the fans would allow him is off days if he scored a few goals.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2016 15:58:42 GMT
One ray of hope is that Arni's agent is his brother (I think) which (if right) may mean his brotherly love may advise in favour of what he genuinely thinks is best for him. That could still mean accepting an Everton offer of course.
As yet though do we know if an approach has been made to Stoke, it could still be agents setting rabbits away and trying to pressurise Stoke into improving their contract offer.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 24, 2016 16:22:17 GMT
If as rumoured Everton will come in with a bid for Arnie I think we should put in a bid for Mirallas. No thanks. |
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Post by skelman on Jul 24, 2016 16:45:00 GMT
Despite frequent 'come & get me overtures' from Arnie & his agent since before last christmas, not exactly many clubs banging at the door to trigger his £12.5m release clause. Then alleged spitting and a poor Euro Championship.
27 years old.
Offer him new 3 year contract on improved terms, with a £15m release clause that can be activated after 2 years.
If he really focuses with us and does well, he would then have the option of staying in an increasingly successful Stoke squad or potentially achieving his 'big club' move, aged 29.
Don't think he warrants a 'dream' move yet & shouldn't be our highest paid player.
Needs a bit of TLC with his arm twisting up his back at the same time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 8:29:10 GMT
I'd be disappointed if he joined Everton. No Champions League football there, I think he could do better than that, if it's not all about the money as its being portrayed is Everton really a step up?
I'm not too fussed if he stays or goes now, I'd love him to stay but I just want it sorted ASAP so we can move on.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2016 8:37:41 GMT
At the moment Everton is not nore than a sideways move and without Lukaku, who wants out, they are nothing more than mediocre!  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 25, 2016 8:40:21 GMT
Despite frequent 'come & get me overtures' from Arnie & his agent since before last christmas, not exactly many clubs banging at the door to trigger his £12.5m release clause. Then alleged spitting and a poor Euro Championship. 27 years old. Offer him new 3 year contract on improved terms, with a £15m release clause that can be activated after 2 years. If he really focuses with us and does well, he would then have the option of staying in an increasingly successful Stoke squad or potentially achieving his 'big club' move, aged 29. Don't think he warrants a 'dream' move yet & shouldn't be our highest paid player. Needs a bit of TLC with his arm twisting up his back at the same time! I can think of somewhere else his arm could be twisted up! |
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Post by loosestools on Jul 25, 2016 10:49:24 GMT
This has been ongoing since october last year and i´m fed up. The result will be the same he leaves like Begovic and N´Zonzi. Player of the year i don´t care, leave now. Good job you're not in charge. With that approach, every player who had an agent trying to get the best deal for his client would be off and we'd be left with slim pickings. |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 25, 2016 11:57:12 GMT
Say Arnie would accept 110k a week for a new five year deal. £28.6m Total
Chadli would cost £15m transfer fee + 70k a week? £33.2m Total
I know what i would prefer
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 25, 2016 12:14:38 GMT
110k a week let him go. he wants do my 10 a hour job and that's shift work footballers are greedy bastards it will all go tits up one day
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jul 25, 2016 12:19:21 GMT
Say Arnie would accept 110k a week for a new five year deal. £28.6m Total Chadli would cost £15m transfer fee + 70k a week? £33.2m Total I know what i would prefer Yeah but then with Arnie's 110k a week you'd get Shawcross' wages increasing as he has to be the highest paid player and it sets a precedent for every other we player sign/offer a new contract to. It's not as black and white as that and I think we're right to stick within our wage structure as long as we can |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 25, 2016 12:20:43 GMT
Say Arnie would accept 110k a week for a new five year deal. £28.6m Total Chadli would cost £15m transfer fee + 70k a week? £33.2m Total I know what i would prefer Yeah but then with Arnie's 110k a week you'd get Shawcross' wages increasing as he has to be the highest player and it sets a precedent for every other we player sign/offer a new contract to. It's not as black and white as that and I think we're right to stick within our wage structure as long as we can Wasn't aware of that term in Shawcross's contract- but what a ridiculous one it is |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 25, 2016 12:22:20 GMT
Say Arnie would accept 110k a week for a new five year deal. £28.6m Total Chadli would cost £15m transfer fee + 70k a week? £33.2m Total I know what i would prefer Yeah but then with Arnie's 110k a week you'd get Shawcross' wages increasing as he has to be the highest player and it sets a precedent for every other we player sign/offer a new contract to. It's not as black and white as that and I think we're right to stick within our wage structure as long as we can Don't go complicating things. You should know by now transfers and contract negotiations are a piece of piss. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jul 25, 2016 12:22:37 GMT
Yeah but then with Arnie's 110k a week you'd get Shawcross' wages increasing as he has to be the highest player and it sets a precedent for every other we player sign/offer a new contract to. It's not as black and white as that and I think we're right to stick within our wage structure as long as we can Wasn't aware of that term in Shawcross's contract- but what a ridiculous one it is I don't think so. Captain, longest serving player and showed just how valuable he is to us with our showings when he was playing last year compared to when he was out injured |
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 25, 2016 12:36:30 GMT
Say Arnie would accept 110k a week for a new five year deal. £28.6m Total Chadli would cost £15m transfer fee + 70k a week? £33.2m Total I know what i would prefer I'd prefer to keep Arnie too but using your example the actual cost to the club for Chadli would be £2.5m (£15m-£12.5m for Arnie) + 70k a week, so £2.5m to save just over £2m a year on wages over 5 years |
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 25, 2016 13:19:55 GMT
Could mean anything
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Post by mosquito on Jul 25, 2016 13:20:03 GMT
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jul 25, 2016 13:22:04 GMT
Doesn't necessarily mean our day's getting better, could be handing in a transfer request  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2016 13:22:40 GMT
Could we hope for a treble today? Sobhe signs, Allen signs and Arnie pens a new 4-year contract? |
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Post by mosquito on Jul 25, 2016 13:23:41 GMT
Or collecting his brothers things  |
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Post by liamo on Jul 25, 2016 13:24:24 GMT
Could we hope for a treble today? Sobhe signs, Allen signs and Arnie pens a new 4-year contract? If that happens steam cleaner rental in Stoke will be up 200% |
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Post by samba :) on Jul 25, 2016 13:26:41 GMT
I could be having a wank tonight
Edit: I'll probably have a wank tonight whatever
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2016 13:26:54 GMT
Transfer request or new deal, can't see any reason why his brother would be at Clayton Wood while Arnie's on tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 13:35:14 GMT
Could just be a new round of talks...
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