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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 24, 2016 10:01:33 GMT
3 then, but that's still conjecture on your part. More is the question, how the fuck did we manage to get 51 points in such a clusterfuck of a season? This is getting out of hand. So here's something we can potentially agree on. Injuries aside, last season was a bit of a mess, Nope. Obviously you don't get sarcasm. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 24, 2016 10:06:03 GMT
If he goes to another premier league club outside the top 4-5 someone swap seats with me from the back of the south stand to the front row anywhere for just one game. I'd rip him bits. Bet he's shitting himself already. |
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Post by liamo on Jul 24, 2016 10:14:57 GMT
Everton is not a side ways step it's like saying going to Chelsea is a side ways step as they finished below us. They are a big club with a great history and have just installed a excellent manager and have big backers now. League position wise it's a sideways step, i really don't think footballers care about history as much as they talk about it when they've just signed Not taking anything away from Everton, they are a big club but they're no closer to Europe than we are, which is what Arnie wants |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 24, 2016 10:19:15 GMT
Perfect sense post  no lose situation, no way should we make the same mistake as we did with Zonz sold for feckin peanuts, will we ever learn our lesson  we are so naïve it is frightening, it cost us about £25m to replace Zonz with a player who at the moment the jury is still out on WTF was that about.  It is very amusing to see someone calling it "peanuts" when they're not the ones writing the cheque. We got good money for him and saved a year of wages. And before you get on about replacements, the alternative was to spend a year of wages, let him go for nothing and still need a decent replacement. Were we not reportedly paying his immediate replacement MVG £60k a week and he was pretty shit tbh, eventually we bought in Imbula for £18m plus his wage so I would say we lost out massively financially, will Imbula be as effective for us as Zonz was, time will tell but at the moment he certainly is not. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 10:21:17 GMT
If he goes to another premier league club outside the top 4-5 someone swap seats with me from the back of the south stand to the front row anywhere for just one game. I'd rip him bits. Bet he's shitting himself already. He better be! |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 10:23:15 GMT
Everton is not a side ways step it's like saying going to Chelsea is a side ways step as they finished below us. They are a big club with a great history and have just installed a excellent manager and have big backers now. League position wise it's a sideways step, i really don't think footballers care about history as much as they talk about it when they've just signed Not taking anything away from Everton, they are a big club but they're no closer to Europe than we are, which is what Arnie wants I'm 46, and was around when everton were up there for a bit, but I don't consider them a big club at all. |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 24, 2016 10:25:58 GMT
Everton is not a side ways step it's like saying going to Chelsea is a side ways step as they finished below us. They are a big club with a great history and have just installed a excellent manager and have big backers now. League position wise it's a sideways step, i really don't think footballers care about history as much as they talk about it when they've just signed Not taking anything away from Everton, they are a big club but they're no closer to Europe than we are, which is what Arnie wants I think they will be closer than us this season though mate. All this about European football is just a smoke screen any way in my opinion his agent states that but it will ultimatly who will pay top dollar for his services. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 24, 2016 10:28:58 GMT
Everton is not a side ways step it's like saying going to Chelsea is a side ways step as they finished below us. They are a big club with a great history and have just installed a excellent manager and have big backers now. League position wise it's a sideways step, i really don't think footballers care about history as much as they talk about it when they've just signed Not taking anything away from Everton, they are a big club but they're no closer to Europe than we are, which is what Arnie wants History does play a part I think, if only because the potential is there for them to cement themselves up there. We've already seen them tempt Southampton's manager away. Given the new investment and new project there it's a possibility. They're a bigger club than us by almost any measure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 10:38:00 GMT
There must be some kind of deadline. He can´t move to Close to the transfer deadline leaving Stoke with no time
to get a replacement.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 24, 2016 10:42:10 GMT
If a player has a release fee that is met by 2 clubs are we obliged to sell to either? Or (which I don't believe), in the case where 2 or more clubs meet the release fee then they can have a bidding war at which point we can choose which one to deal with? No the bidding war would be between the two clubs and the player with regard to salary, the selling club would have to sell at the agreed release fee in the players' contract. However having said all that I still haven't quite worked out why Chelsea ended up paying Leicester considerably more for Kante than his release clause demanded. The release clause was for Champions League clubs wasn't it and not for those clubs finishing below Stoke |
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Post by AlliG on Jul 24, 2016 10:44:23 GMT
League position wise it's a sideways step, i really don't think footballers care about history as much as they talk about it when they've just signed Not taking anything away from Everton, they are a big club but they're no closer to Europe than we are, which is what Arnie wants I'm 46, and was around when everton were up there for a bit, but I don't consider them a big club at all. 9 League Championships, 5 FA Cups plus a Cup Winners Cup. Wish we were that small.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 10:46:49 GMT
Everton are a huge club, and far in excess of anything we'll ever be.
They aren't a Champions League club that Team Arnie said he wanted.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 10:54:23 GMT
I'm 46, and was around when everton were up there for a bit, but I don't consider them a big club at all. 9 League Championships, 5 FA Cups plus a Cup Winners Cup. Wish we were that small. Tell that to someone younger than 30. Are Preston bigger than us? |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 10:55:52 GMT
Everton are a huge club, and far in excess of anything we'll ever be. They aren't a Champions League club that Team Arnie said he wanted. Are they Fuck a huge club. Bigger than us, but huge? Tell someone 30 or younger everton are huge and you'll get sectioned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 10:59:38 GMT
Everton are a huge club, and far in excess of anything we'll ever be. They aren't a Champions League club that Team Arnie said he wanted. Are they Fuck a huge club. Bigger than us, but huge? Tell someone 30 or younger everton are huge and you'll get sectioned. Come back and tell me that when they've got a new 65k all seater stadium that they are filling and competing for the league every season, which in my estimation won't be far off. They're twice the club Man Citeh are with the same money. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 24, 2016 11:07:03 GMT
I'll boo the cunt out of him if he goes Everton.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 24, 2016 11:10:09 GMT
9 League Championships, 5 FA Cups plus a Cup Winners Cup. Wish we were that small. Tell that to someone younger than 30. Are Preston bigger than us? They've also been regulars in the top half and had a fair few top 6-7 finishes in the past 10-15 years. It isn't the same thing as Preston. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 24, 2016 11:12:16 GMT
Everton may tempt him , looks like they plan to go for it to regain their past glories , but I still think he is better sticking with us , he is settled now and I'm not sure being part of a bigger squad will suit him as much as being a star at a club like ours .
We will see I guess
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 11:16:16 GMT
Tell that to someone younger than 30. Are Preston bigger than us? They've also been regulars in the top half and had a fair few top 6-7 finishes in the past 10-15 years. It isn't the same thing as Preston. Again, if you are say 20 years old, what would you think of everton? And when they are getting 65k in a new stadium winning champions league, then they may be a big club again. Until then, no way are they. |
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Post by wuzza on Jul 24, 2016 11:17:09 GMT
He won't transfer to Everton at this point in history because 'they are a big club' (because as far as a young man from Austria goes they aren't) - he may well transfer to Everton because they significantly increase his salary.
Simple as that really.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 24, 2016 11:25:30 GMT
They've also been regulars in the top half and had a fair few top 6-7 finishes in the past 10-15 years. It isn't the same thing as Preston. Again, if you are say 20 years old, what would you think of everton? And when they are getting 65k in a new stadium winning champions league, then they may be a big club again. Until then, no way are they. I'd think they were a club who'd finished top 6-7 regularly when I was growing up and note they'd just had significant new investment and had some excellent players. Are you saying only clubs that win the Champions League are big clubs? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 24, 2016 11:26:52 GMT
He won't transfer to Everton at this point in history because 'they are a big club' (because as far as a young man from Austria goes they aren't) - he may well transfer to Everton because they significantly increase his salary. Simple as that really. He's a young man from Austria who has been a professional footballer for years, he'll know who they are. It'll come down to potential to win trophies as much as anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 11:32:25 GMT
Everton have a better chance of making Champions League football then we do, of course, but it's a bit like saying that Theresa May is fitter than Edwina Currie.
Everton are a way off Top 4, we just happen to be a bit more of a way off.
Arnie going there would be a bizarre one, given his own delusions of grandeur.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 24, 2016 11:36:01 GMT
Downward move as we are on the way up!
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 12:19:30 GMT
Again, if you are say 20 years old, what would you think of everton? And when they are getting 65k in a new stadium winning champions league, then they may be a big club again. Until then, no way are they. I'd think they were a club who'd finished top 6-7 regularly when I was growing up and note they'd just had significant new investment and had some excellent players. Are you saying only clubs that win the Champions League are big clubs? Competing for the league and champions league every year are big clubs yes. The rest are just decent clubs, like us. All this money talk at everton, it will only happen once stones and kac head have been sold. Let's see how much other than the sakes of them that they spend. When's this 65k stadium opening? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jul 24, 2016 12:26:25 GMT
I'd think they were a club who'd finished top 6-7 regularly when I was growing up and note they'd just had significant new investment and had some excellent players. Are you saying only clubs that win the Champions League are big clubs? Competing for the league and champions league every year are big clubs yes. The rest are just decent clubs, like us. All this money talk at everton, it will only happen once stones and kac head have been sold. Let's see how much other than the sakes of them that they spend. When's this 65k stadium opening? So Liverpool aren't a big club either then? They're on the same level as us? Haven't Everton already bid £30m for Witsel and pinched Southampton's manager? |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 12:32:08 GMT
Competing for the league and champions league every year are big clubs yes. The rest are just decent clubs, like us. All this money talk at everton, it will only happen once stones and kac head have been sold. Let's see how much other than the sakes of them that they spend. When's this 65k stadium opening? So Liverpool aren't a big club either then? They're on the same level as us? Haven't Everton already bid £30m for Witsel and pinched Southampton's manager? Yep, that makes everton massive then. What number is witsel wearing for them? To me Liverpool are way bigger than everton because of what I remember growing up. Again, ask a 20 year old how fantastically big Liverpool are to even a Chelsea now |
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Post by samba :) on Jul 24, 2016 12:37:43 GMT
Competing for the league and champions league every year are big clubs yes. The rest are just decent clubs, like us. All this money talk at everton, it will only happen once stones and kac head have been sold. Let's see how much other than the sakes of them that they spend. When's this 65k stadium opening? So Liverpool aren't a big club either then? They're on the same level as us? Haven't Everton already bid £30m for Witsel and pinched Southampton's manager? Everton have very rich owners now and they will be on the up almost instantly |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 24, 2016 12:38:19 GMT
I think Everton are a bigger club than us in pretty much every sense.
They certainly have the potential to be top 6 fixtures while we have the potential to be top 10 fixtures.
I would say most players and fans would see a move from Stoke to Everton as a step up, not a massive one but a step up all the same.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 24, 2016 12:45:00 GMT
He won't transfer to Everton at this point in history because 'they are a big club' (because as far as a young man from Austria goes they aren't) - he may well transfer to Everton because they significantly increase his salary. Simple as that really. He's a young man from Austria who has been a professional footballer for years, he'll know who they are. It'll come down to potential to win trophies as much as anything. They have about as much potential to win trophies as we do at present ( I.e not a lot but you never know). Maybe he thinks they are about to return to the former glories of the mid-80's but I strongly suspect the move would be entirely based on his agents desire to maximise income without having to disappear to somewhere like China. Nowt wrong in that but it's a shame for us and, being the delicate character he is, it could be a bit of a problem for him too. |
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no lose situation, no way should we make the same mistake as we did with Zonz sold for feckin peanuts, will we ever learn our lesson 
we are so naïve it is frightening, it cost us about £25m to replace Zonz with a player who at the moment the jury is still out on WTF was that about. 
It is very amusing to see someone calling it "peanuts" when they're not the ones writing the cheque. We got good money for him and saved a year of wages. And before you get on about replacements, the alternative was to spend a year of wages, let him go for nothing and still need a decent replacement.
