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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 24, 2016 0:18:13 GMT
If you're on the bus route and you're waiting for that extra special car to become available .... nothing wrong with that. Besides, did we really miss him? Yes, we had a crap start - but having N'Zonzi would not have guaranteed we would have done better. After those first 6 games we had a pretty good first half of the season, so I'd argue it was the right decision rather than having a malcontent who we forced to stay in the dressing room. With all due respect, that's complete rubbish. We started poorly, had a purple patch in the middle of the season and ended up playing relegation-pace football. If management had any balls, they'd have sat N'zonzi down and said "look we're not selling you, so get your shit toegther and play out your contract. If you sulk or cause trouble, we'll drop you and you can play in the reserves or stay home". What's wrong with that? With all due respect, I actually think what you've said is complete tripe. The little 'purple patch' that followed the poor start and came before the 'relegation paced football' got us to ninth in the league. What you've got to remember is that football is a business too, like it or not. Keeping zonz for an extra year, then letting him go for free as well as paying his wages plus any bonuses doesn't make sense. It's cutting your nose off to spite you're face. Isn't that what West Brazil are doing with berahino... Which a large number of posters have called out Peace for 'treating him like shit'. It could have been handled better but who knows what actually goes on behind closed doors? Maybe Seville were the only club that bid and we had no option to sell or make a huge loss. Maybe we tried to get him to sign a new contract the season before and he refused? Exactly the same as Arni. You can't 'sit a player down' and threaten to let him rot in the bench or at home. It makes the club look like dog shit for other potential signings. Leaves us hugely out of pocket and will result in the said player moving for free resenting Stoke City. Edit: further to that, I agree if Arni does go we need a replacement. We found one for Zonz albeit 6 months late but Imbula will come good. He's definitely got it. Don't be surprised if you see him doing exactly what zonz did but for a bigger club this time in 3 or 4 years. I predicted it with zonz, albeit I thought he'd be playing for a top 4 prem club. |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 0:46:33 GMT
With all due respect, that's complete rubbish. We started poorly, had a purple patch in the middle of the season and ended up playing relegation-pace football. If management had any balls, they'd have sat N'zonzi down and said "look we're not selling you, so get your shit toegther and play out your contract. If you sulk or cause trouble, we'll drop you and you can play in the reserves or stay home". What's wrong with that? With all due respect, I actually think what you've said is complete tripe. The little 'purple patch' that followed the poor start and came before the 'relegation paced football' got us to ninth in the league. What you've got to remember is that football is a business too, like it or not. Keeping zonz for an extra year, then letting him go for free as well as paying his wages plus any bonuses doesn't make sense. It's cutting your nose off to spite you're face. Isn't that what West Brazil are doing with berahino... Which a large number of posters have called out Peace for 'treating him like shit'. It could have been handled better but who knows what actually goes on behind closed doors? Maybe Seville were the only club that bid and we had no option to sell or make a huge loss. Maybe we tried to get him to sign a new contract the season before and he refused? Exactly the same as Arni. You can't 'sit a player down' and threaten to let him rot in the bench or at home. It makes the club look like dog shit for other potential signings. Leaves us hugely out of pocket and will result in the said player moving for free resenting Stoke City. Edit: further to that, I agree if Arni does go we need a replacement. We found one for Zonz albeit 6 months late but Imbula will come good. He's definitely got it. Don't be surprised if you see him doing exactly what zonz did but for a bigger club this time in 3 or 4 years. I predicted it with zonz, albeit I thought he'd be playing for a top 4 prem club. Thank you for the lecture on business. I am sure your experience is greater than mine. So I have a question. How much more TV money would we have collected if we had finished 6th or 7th instead of 9th. I suspect it's significantly more than we got for N'zonzi, including his wages. Also, would be more or less attractive to players like Berahino, etc. if we had finished 6th or 7th? As you say, it's a business. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 24, 2016 1:53:10 GMT
With all due respect, I actually think what you've said is complete tripe. The little 'purple patch' that followed the poor start and came before the 'relegation paced football' got us to ninth in the league. What you've got to remember is that football is a business too, like it or not. Keeping zonz for an extra year, then letting him go for free as well as paying his wages plus any bonuses doesn't make sense. It's cutting your nose off to spite you're face. Isn't that what West Brazil are doing with berahino... Which a large number of posters have called out Peace for 'treating him like shit'. It could have been handled better but who knows what actually goes on behind closed doors? Maybe Seville were the only club that bid and we had no option to sell or make a huge loss. Maybe we tried to get him to sign a new contract the season before and he refused? Exactly the same as Arni. You can't 'sit a player down' and threaten to let him rot in the bench or at home. It makes the club look like dog shit for other potential signings. Leaves us hugely out of pocket and will result in the said player moving for free resenting Stoke City. Edit: further to that, I agree if Arni does go we need a replacement. We found one for Zonz albeit 6 months late but Imbula will come good. He's definitely got it. Don't be surprised if you see him doing exactly what zonz did but for a bigger club this time in 3 or 4 years. I predicted it with zonz, albeit I thought he'd be playing for a top 4 prem club. Thank you for the lecture on business. I am sure your experience is greater than mine. So I have a question. How much more TV money would we have collected if we had finished 6th or 7th instead of 9th. I suspect it's significantly more than we got for N'zonzi, including his wages. Also, would be more or less attractive to players like Berahino, etc. if we had finished 6th or 7th? As you say, it's a business. £3,727,225 more for finishing 6th rather than 9th. Hope this helps your make shit up style. |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 2:00:00 GMT
Thank you for the lecture on business. I am sure your experience is greater than mine. So I have a question. How much more TV money would we have collected if we had finished 6th or 7th instead of 9th. I suspect it's significantly more than we got for N'zonzi, including his wages. Also, would be more or less attractive to players like Berahino, etc. if we had finished 6th or 7th? As you say, it's a business. £3,727,225 more for finishing 6th rather than 9th. Hope this helps your make shit up style. How about increased sponsorship (not exactly knocking down the doors are they), more attractive friendlies in the summer (Burton, PNE, I'm sure that raised the profile and brought in the cash), getting to a final of one of the cups etc. Nothing breeds success like success. |
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 24, 2016 2:01:33 GMT
With all due respect, I actually think what you've said is complete tripe. The little 'purple patch' that followed the poor start and came before the 'relegation paced football' got us to ninth in the league. What you've got to remember is that football is a business too, like it or not. Keeping zonz for an extra year, then letting him go for free as well as paying his wages plus any bonuses doesn't make sense. It's cutting your nose off to spite you're face. Isn't that what West Brazil are doing with berahino... Which a large number of posters have called out Peace for 'treating him like shit'. It could have been handled better but who knows what actually goes on behind closed doors? Maybe Seville were the only club that bid and we had no option to sell or make a huge loss. Maybe we tried to get him to sign a new contract the season before and he refused? Exactly the same as Arni. You can't 'sit a player down' and threaten to let him rot in the bench or at home. It makes the club look like dog shit for other potential signings. Leaves us hugely out of pocket and will result in the said player moving for free resenting Stoke City. Edit: further to that, I agree if Arni does go we need a replacement. We found one for Zonz albeit 6 months late but Imbula will come good. He's definitely got it. Don't be surprised if you see him doing exactly what zonz did but for a bigger club this time in 3 or 4 years. I predicted it with zonz, albeit I thought he'd be playing for a top 4 prem club. Thank you for the lecture on business. I am sure your experience is greater than mine. So I have a question. How much more TV money would we have collected if we had finished 6th or 7th instead of 9th. I suspect it's significantly more than we got for N'zonzi, including his wages. Also, would be more or less attractive to players like Berahino, etc. if we had finished 6th or 7th? As you say, it's a business. And keeping a sulky N'Zonzi rotting on the bench or at home after 'sitting him down' for his talk would have guaranteed us a 6th or 7th place finish? Nice logic. No need to get all defensive. I said 'with all due respect' just like you did to the previous poster. Plus, the difference between us and 6th and 7th was 12 and 13 points... We would have finished 12/13 points better off with N'zonzi after we denied him a dream move to the eventual Europa league winners? Oh and again, another edit... Just because I don't have 14 million stars on this board for posting 40 thousand posts on here doesn't make me any less of an expert than you. |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 2:08:53 GMT
Thank you for the lecture on business. I am sure your experience is greater than mine. So I have a question. How much more TV money would we have collected if we had finished 6th or 7th instead of 9th. I suspect it's significantly more than we got for N'zonzi, including his wages. Also, would be more or less attractive to players like Berahino, etc. if we had finished 6th or 7th? As you say, it's a business. And keeping a sulky N'Zonzi rotting on the bench or at home after 'sitting him down' for his talk would have guaranteed us a 6th or 7th place finish? Nice logic. No need to get all defensive. I said 'with all due respect' just like you did to the previous poster. Plus, the difference between us and 6th and 7th was 12 and 13 points... We would have finished 12/13 points better off with N'zonzi after we denied him a dream move to the eventual Europa league winners? That's the point. If they'd have played hard ball he would have no choice but to get his shit together because he couldn't impress potential suitors if he was sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves. There's no reason we couldn't have gained 12 or 13 points more points if we'd kept up the form we showed after Christmas. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 24, 2016 2:09:48 GMT
£3,727,225 more for finishing 6th rather than 9th. Hope this helps your make shit up style. How about increased sponsorship (not exactly knocking down the doors are they), more attractive friendlies in the summer (Burton, PNE, I'm sure that raised the profile and brought in the cash), getting to a final of one of the cups etc. Nothing breeds success like success. So that's a no then. You're more ridiculous than I previously thought if you think that all that is affected because we sold N'zonzi. |
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 24, 2016 2:16:46 GMT
And keeping a sulky N'Zonzi rotting on the bench or at home after 'sitting him down' for his talk would have guaranteed us a 6th or 7th place finish? Nice logic. No need to get all defensive. I said 'with all due respect' just like you did to the previous poster. Plus, the difference between us and 6th and 7th was 12 and 13 points... We would have finished 12/13 points better off with N'zonzi after we denied him a dream move to the eventual Europa league winners? That's the point. If they'd have played hard ball he would have no choice but to get his shit together because he couldn't impress potential suitors if he was sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves. There's no reason we couldn't have gained 12 or 13 points more points if we'd kept up the form we showed after Christmas. That's just it... I don't get your point. It hasn't harmed berahino. We are apparently still willing to pay 20 mill for him after rotting on the bench. The only losers are west brom. Spurs offered far more last window and now they look like a small time shit club... Even more so than they did. I hate the phrase 'small time' but I couldn't think of any other way to describe them. I'm certain if Arni rotted on the bench he would have clubs circling to sign him on a free. Free = more output on wages. Can't see the logic. We will have to agree to disagree |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 2:18:46 GMT
How about increased sponsorship (not exactly knocking down the doors are they), more attractive friendlies in the summer (Burton, PNE, I'm sure that raised the profile and brought in the cash), getting to a final of one of the cups etc. Nothing breeds success like success. So that's a no then. You're more ridiculous than I previously thought if you think that all that is affected because we sold N'zonzi. No, that's a maybe. How many points do you think losing the player of the year cost us? We certainly lost ground from the previous season (51 points vs 54 the year before). |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 24, 2016 2:30:01 GMT
So that's a no then. You're more ridiculous than I previously thought if you think that all that is affected because we sold N'zonzi. No, that's a maybe. How many points do you think losing the player of the year cost us? We certainly lost ground from the previous season (51 points vs 54 the year before). 3 then, but that's still conjecture on your part. More is the question, how the fuck did we manage to get 51 points in such a clusterfuck of a season? |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 2:46:25 GMT
No, that's a maybe. How many points do you think losing the player of the year cost us? We certainly lost ground from the previous season (51 points vs 54 the year before). 3 then, but that's still conjecture on your part. More is the question, how the fuck did we manage to get 51 points in such a clusterfuck of a season? This is getting out of hand. So here's something we can potentially agree on. Injuries aside, last season was a bit of a mess, and I'm concerned we haven't learnt much from the lessons of history because it's looking ominously similar in several respects. Notably, we have our player of the year apparently holding out for a move to a "bigger team" and it's my opinion we might be better served holding onto him and holding him to his contract. That's it. |
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Post by UsAndThem on Jul 24, 2016 2:56:49 GMT
3 then, but that's still conjecture on your part. More is the question, how the fuck did we manage to get 51 points in such a clusterfuck of a season? This is getting out of hand. So here's something we can potentially agree on. Injuries aside, last season was a bit of a mess, and I'm concerned we haven't learnt much from the lessons of history because it's looking ominously similar in several respects. Notably, we have our player of the year apparently holding out for a move to a "bigger team" and it's my opinion we might be better served holding onto him and holding him to his contract. That's it. No reply to my above post on why that's a bad idea if we receive the right offer and he wants to go? |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 3:19:26 GMT
This is getting out of hand. So here's something we can potentially agree on. Injuries aside, last season was a bit of a mess, and I'm concerned we haven't learnt much from the lessons of history because it's looking ominously similar in several respects. Notably, we have our player of the year apparently holding out for a move to a "bigger team" and it's my opinion we might be better served holding onto him and holding him to his contract. That's it. No reply to my above post on why that's a bad idea if we receive the right offer and he wants to go? This is the $64,000 question (sorry, I don't have a pound symbol). I believe he has a buy out clause of 12.5 million, which is the best we can hope for, barring two teams getting into a bidding war. Now we have 12.5 million more in the bank, which is nice but it's only money. Our need to sign another winger just went up significantly because we are now looking for a starter and we have lost our best player. That might make Stoke more attractive to another winger who's looking for more playing time, but it's not clear we can replace Arni for 12.5 million (in fact I'm sure we can't) even if we can find one. Losing our best player and top scorer makes us a lot less attractive to players we are trying to sign - especially center forwards looking to Arni for assists. Also, losing our best player send a message that Stoke is stepping stone to something better (it may be true, but there's no reason make it blindingly obvious). So on balance, I'm leaning heavily towards making him play out his contract and manage the consequences. I understand that his pouting may affect morale; however, that's something that needs to be managed - I am not a big fan of the inmates running the asylum. How's that for a reasoned argument? |
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Post by bmstoke on Jul 24, 2016 3:36:40 GMT
No reply to my above post on why that's a bad idea if we receive the right offer and he wants to go? This is the $64,000 question (sorry, I don't have a pound symbol). I believe he has a buy out clause of 12.5 million, which is the best we can hope for, barring two teams getting into a bidding war. Now we have 12.5 million more in the bank, which is nice but it's only money. Our need to sign another winger just went up significantly because we are now looking for a starter and we have lost our best player. That might make Stoke more attractive to another winger who's looking for more playing time, but it's not clear we can replace Arni for 12.5 million (in fact I'm sure we can't) even if we can find one. Losing our best player and top scorer makes us a lot less attractive to players we are trying to sign - especially center forwards looking to Arni for assists. Also, losing our best player send a message that Stoke is stepping stone to something better (it may be true, but there's no reason make it blindingly obvious). So on balance, I'm leaning heavily towards making him play out his contract and manage the consequences. I understand that his pouting may affect morale; however, that's something that needs to be managed - I am not a big fan of the inmates running the asylum. How's that for a reasoned argument? If he has a 12.5 million buy out clause in his contract and someone offers this, we can't make him stay for his final season. That's why the clause is there, we have to sell him if he wants to go. |
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Post by kustokie on Jul 24, 2016 3:51:51 GMT
This is the $64,000 question (sorry, I don't have a pound symbol). I believe he has a buy out clause of 12.5 million, which is the best we can hope for, barring two teams getting into a bidding war. Now we have 12.5 million more in the bank, which is nice but it's only money. Our need to sign another winger just went up significantly because we are now looking for a starter and we have lost our best player. That might make Stoke more attractive to another winger who's looking for more playing time, but it's not clear we can replace Arni for 12.5 million (in fact I'm sure we can't) even if we can find one. Losing our best player and top scorer makes us a lot less attractive to players we are trying to sign - especially center forwards looking to Arni for assists. Also, losing our best player send a message that Stoke is stepping stone to something better (it may be true, but there's no reason make it blindingly obvious). So on balance, I'm leaning heavily towards making him play out his contract and manage the consequences. I understand that his pouting may affect morale; however, that's something that needs to be managed - I am not a big fan of the inmates running the asylum. How's that for a reasoned argument? If he has a 12.5 million buy out clause in his contract and someone offers this, we can't make him stay for his final season. That's why the clause is there, we have to sell him if he wants to go. Of course, if someone offers that we have no choice but to let him go. However, what if someone offers 10 million and he wants to go? I say on balance make him play out his contract. This is an interesting debate but all a bit hypothetical at the moment as there doesn't seem to a horde of barbarians at the gate looking to drag him away. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:06:27 GMT
Arnie only cost £2M and he´s Worth much more than £12.5M so let him play out the contract in that case. His
salary may be a stumbling block Stoke offer £70k/week. Next year hopefully Sobhi will be ready when/if he leaves.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jul 24, 2016 7:10:29 GMT
I have to be honest and admit that haven't read everything that's been posted on this subject; and I don't know if I'm with the majority or otherwise with my opinion, but I for one, wouldn't be arsed if he went.
He's an enormous talent, and is quite brilliant on his day; but he's inconsistent, childish and petulant and IF he wants out, we should simply let him walk. His Euro performances didn't exactly 'shine' did they?
I felt the same about N'Zonzi; we don't have room for that sort of player in this Club.
No-one is irreplaceable, and there ARE plenty of fish in the sea....let him go if that's what he wants
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 7:28:38 GMT
I have to be honest and admit that haven't read everything that's been posted on this subject; and I don't know if I'm with the majority or otherwise with my opinion, but I for one, wouldn't be arsed if he went.
He's an enormous talent, and is quite brilliant on his day; but he's inconsistent, childish and petulant and IF he wants out, we should simply let him walk. His Euro performances didn't exactly 'shine' did they?
I felt the same about N'Zonzi; we don't have room for that sort of player in this Club.
No-one is irreplaceable, and there ARE plenty of fish in the sea....let him go if that's what he wants Good post mate. If anyone thinks Nzonzi would have knuckled down in his final year they are living in cloud cuckoo land. He was sulky and petulant. He had asked for a move Every season. We could have done no more. If Arnie signs then great but if he doesn't he goes this Summer simple as that. The critiscm the club gets is crazy. I remember the time when we were scraping together 100K to buy Steino. The club is making steady progress. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2016 8:05:12 GMT
Have we recieved any bids for him? £12.5M is nothing in today's market for a star player, but maybe he isn't looked upon as that among other clubs? Maybe time to stop all the fuss and sign the contract to make it easier for the club and the management that have sparked his career again? Really think he owes the club that much respect!  |
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2016 8:09:52 GMT
I have to be honest and admit that haven't read everything that's been posted on this subject; and I don't know if I'm with the majority or otherwise with my opinion, but I for one, wouldn't be arsed if he went.
He's an enormous talent, and is quite brilliant on his day; but he's inconsistent, childish and petulant and IF he wants out, we should simply let him walk. His Euro performances didn't exactly 'shine' did they?
I felt the same about N'Zonzi; we don't have room for that sort of player in this Club.
No-one is irreplaceable, and there ARE plenty of fish in the sea....let him go if that's what he wants Good post mate. If anyone thinks Nzonzi would have knuckled down in his final year they are living in cloud cuckoo land. He was sulky and petulant. He had asked for a move Every season. We could have done no more. If Arnie signs then great but if he doesn't he goes this Summer simple as that. The critiscm the club gets is crazy. I remember the time when we were scraping together 100K to buy Steino. The club is making steady progress. I don't think it's that simple. Arnie in my opinion if he doesn't get the move he wants this window (& nothing seems on) will not sign a contract either. I think this will drag on until the next window. Stoke can only sell him if there is an offer on the table. Hopefully I'm wrong,he sees the lack of top draw interest and takes Stoke's offer |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 24, 2016 8:10:32 GMT
With all due respect, that's complete rubbish. We started poorly, had a purple patch in the middle of the season and ended up playing relegation-pace football. If management had any balls, they'd have sat N'zonzi down and said "look we're not selling you, so get your shit toegther and play out your contract. If you sulk or cause trouble, we'll drop you and you can play in the reserves or stay home". What's wrong with that? It goes against our entire strategy is what's wrong with it. I'll be pretty sure that we've only managed to get people like Shaqiri & Imbula signed up 'cos we've basically said "I know you want Champions League football & we can't offer you that, but come & give us a couple of seasons of playing well (Helps us out) and it whacks you slap bang in the centre of the shop window for a move to a bigger club" (Helps the player out). We can't run with this though if potential targets look at our recent History & see we denied N'Zonzi the chance to play for a bigger club in the Champions League & instead made him rot in the reserves. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 24, 2016 8:15:10 GMT
Have we recieved any bids for him? £12.5M is nothing in today's market for a star player, but maybe he isn't looked upon as that among other clubs? Maybe time to stop all the fuss and sign the contract to make it easier for the club and the management that have sparked his career again? Really think he owes the club that much respect! You would hope it's what the club have offered but we should (if we haven't) offer him an improved deal, ie parity with the highest earner, with a buy out clause of say £15m should a club offering European football come in for him. If he's good enough the offers will come, if he isn't he'd still be our star man on top whack. It's a win win situation for every one shirley. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2016 8:28:17 GMT
Have we recieved any bids for him? £12.5M is nothing in today's market for a star player, but maybe he isn't looked upon as that among other clubs? Maybe time to stop all the fuss and sign the contract to make it easier for the club and the management that have sparked his career again? Really think he owes the club that much respect! You would hope it's what the club have offered but we should (if we haven't) offer him an improved deal, ie parity with the highest earner, with a buy out clause of say £15m should a club offering European football come in for him. If he's good enough the offers will come, if he isn't he'd still be our star man on top whack. It's a win win situation for every one shirley. Agree, but I would at least say the buy out clause should be £17.5M. Mediocre players from the Championship go for more than £10M these days!  |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2016 8:31:12 GMT
I have to be honest and admit that haven't read everything that's been posted on this subject; and I don't know if I'm with the majority or otherwise with my opinion, but I for one, wouldn't be arsed if he went.
He's an enormous talent, and is quite brilliant on his day; but he's inconsistent, childish and petulant and IF he wants out, we should simply let him walk. His Euro performances didn't exactly 'shine' did they?
I felt the same about N'Zonzi; we don't have room for that sort of player in this Club.
No-one is irreplaceable, and there ARE plenty of fish in the sea....let him go if that's what he wants My sentiments almost exactly, the only difference is over the last couple of seasons, I've gradually grown to quite like the guy. I think he would be making a serious mistake to go elsewhere, as with a large price tag on his head, his behaviour would not be accepted by other club's fans. To us he has been a problem child we have straightened out sufficiently to become a very good footballer, and I for one have growth to like him. There are plenty of fish, but most are at a prohibitive cost IMO. Arni is worth over £20m looking at what other players are going for, so I hope we have offered him the best deal possible to stay. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 24, 2016 8:41:48 GMT
You would hope it's what the club have offered but we should (if we haven't) offer him an improved deal, ie parity with the highest earner, with a buy out clause of say £15m should a club offering European football come in for him. If he's good enough the offers will come, if he isn't he'd still be our star man on top whack. It's a win win situation for every one shirley. Agree, but I would at least say the buy out clause should be £17.5M. Mediocre players from the Championship go for more than £10M these days!  It was just a figure off the top of my head. It would have to be low enough to make it attractive to Arnie and any potential buyer but high enough so we get some spondulicks out of it to help fund a replacement. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2016 9:29:22 GMT
If a player has a release fee that is met by 2 clubs are we obliged to sell to either? Or (which I don't believe), in the case where 2 or more clubs meet the release fee then they can have a bidding war at which point we can choose which one to deal with? No the bidding war would be between the two clubs and the player with regard to salary, the selling club would have to sell at the agreed release fee in the players' contract. However having said all that I still haven't quite worked out why Chelsea ended up paying Leicester considerably more for Kante than his release clause demanded. |
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Post by sportsman on Jul 24, 2016 9:35:02 GMT
If he goes to another premier league club outside the top 4-5 someone swap seats with me from the back of the south stand to the front row anywhere for just one game. I'd rip him bits.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 24, 2016 9:38:19 GMT
Coates is going to need a new office door with all these clubs kicking it down to sign arnie?? All these top clubs? Someone has filled his head full of shit. Just sign up youth. Get your head out the clouds and realise what you have got.
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Post by liamo on Jul 24, 2016 9:47:49 GMT
This is a foreign concept to Stoke fans in recent history, other clubs possibly wanting one of our players, i like Arnie and i hope he stays but players coming and going is the reality of our situation, saying that i'd be annoyed if he made a sideways move
If he leaves we find a replacement, pretty much all we can do
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 24, 2016 10:01:15 GMT
Everton is not a side ways step it's like saying going to Chelsea is a side ways step as they finished below us.
They are a big club with a great history and have just installed a excellent manager and have big backers now.
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