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Post by kevkj on Apr 15, 2016 8:11:28 GMT
Watching this weeks football it has reiterated to me how slow all our full backs are compared to most teams.
The full back role seems to be massive in a lot of teams, letting the fullbacks give the width and pace thus releasing players ahead to go central and overloading other teams.
What compounds it for us is as well as slower fullbacks we even have slow wide men, Arnie and Shack not exactly blessed with pace to burn.
I would love someone like Trippier from Spurs or that kind of full back its so important we can get forward quicker.
Pace,pace pace to move on.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 15, 2016 9:07:05 GMT
We need more pace throughout the team. Arnie is probably quicker than you think though.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 15, 2016 9:18:16 GMT
Arnie isn't slow and nor is Shaqiri in my opinion. I do agree with our lack of pace in general though. Imbula isn't exactly quick and Whelan was never quick, but this is a reactionary response. For years it's all been about pass and move, now it's about kick and rush, only because of Leicester though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 15, 2016 9:25:01 GMT
Pace is the most valuable commodity in football and has been for a while.
We suffered massively for its loss at the end of the Pulis era and though we have bags more now than we had then, a couple more rapid, direct options in the final third would help our goalscoring problems immeasurably.
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Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2016 9:42:51 GMT
I agree the role of full backs have changed massively in recent years, they are now more of an attacking option than your midfield players.
I can remember a time when their prime functions were to play the ball back to your goalkeeper and kick the opposition winger in to the paddock.
It is not only speed they need but an unbelievable engine. The sheer physicality required to get up and down the pitch time and time again very often not receiving the ball at all, simply creating a decoy should not be underestimated.
I think it is the most physically demanding position on the pitch. You need super athletes.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 15, 2016 9:58:25 GMT
I agree the role of full backs have changed massively in recent years, they are now more of an attacking option than your midfield players. I can remember a time when their prime functions were to play the ball back to your goalkeeper and kick the opposition winger in to the paddock. It is not only speed they need but an unbelievable engine. The sheer physicality required to get up and down the pitch time and time again very often not receiving the ball at all, simply creating a decoy should not be underestimated. I think it is the most physically demanding position on the pitch. You need super athletes. I remember I was doing quite nicely as a school boy left back ....and then Terry Cooper came along with his bloody over-lapping runs. Life as a full back was never the same again! |
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Post by chrisparker on Apr 15, 2016 9:59:13 GMT
Would love it if we could sign Moses in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 10:09:34 GMT
Would love it if we could sign Moses in the summer. I don´t, has more injuries than Darren Anderton. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 10:10:16 GMT
Pace is the most valuable commodity in football and has been for a while. We suffered massively for its loss at the end of the Pulis era and though we have bags more now than we had then, a couple more rapid, direct options in the final third would help our goalscoring problems immeasurably. Yep it is, seen as everyone plays counter attacking football these days. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2016 10:10:31 GMT
I agree the role of full backs have changed massively in recent years, they are now more of an attacking option than your midfield players. I can remember a time when their prime functions were to play the ball back to your goalkeeper and kick the opposition winger in to the paddock. It is not only speed they need but an unbelievable engine. The sheer physicality required to get up and down the pitch time and time again very often not receiving the ball at all, simply creating a decoy should not be underestimated. I think it is the most physically demanding position on the pitch. You need super athletes. I remember I was doing quite nicely as a school boy left back ....and then Terry Cooper came along with his bloody over-lapping runs. Life as a full back was never the same again! I remember as a young boy us signing a by then aging Alec Lindsay from Liverpool as a left back and being told all about the "sweet left foot of Alec Lindsay' but to my inexperienced eye it seemed like he was physically finished and as for his 'sweet left foot' well he just shanked it in to the paddock nearly every time  |
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 15, 2016 10:18:39 GMT
Would love it if we could sign Moses in the summer. You need to find a way of relocating Stoke somewhere down South then, the only way he'd sign for us again. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 15, 2016 10:34:45 GMT
Pace is the most valuable commodity in football and has been for a while. We suffered massively for its loss at the end of the Pulis era and though we have bags more now than we had then, a couple more rapid, direct options in the final third would help our goalscoring problems immeasurably. So which players would you sign? |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 15, 2016 10:42:30 GMT
I remember I was doing quite nicely as a school boy left back ....and then Terry Cooper came along with his bloody over-lapping runs. Life as a full back was never the same again! I remember as a young boy us signing a by then aging Alec Lindsay from Liverpool as a left back and being told all about the "sweet left foot of Alec Lindsay' but to my inexperienced eye it seemed like he was physically finished and as for his 'sweet left foot' well he just shanked it in to the paddock nearly every time Ain't that the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking Alec Lindsay. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 15, 2016 10:50:07 GMT
Pace is the most valuable commodity in football and has been for a while. We suffered massively for its loss at the end of the Pulis era and though we have bags more now than we had then, a couple more rapid, direct options in the final third would help our goalscoring problems immeasurably. So which players would you sign? We were linked with Niang yesterday. Don't know much about him but he's pacy, isn't he? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 10:51:17 GMT
I agree the role of full backs have changed massively in recent years, they are now more of an attacking option than your midfield players. I can remember a time when their prime functions were to play the ball back to your goalkeeper and kick the opposition winger in to the paddock. It is not only speed they need but an unbelievable engine. The sheer physicality required to get up and down the pitch time and time again very often not receiving the ball at all, simply creating a decoy should not be underestimated. I think it is the most physically demanding position on the pitch. You need super athletes. "I can remember a time when their prime functions were to play the ball back to your goalkeeper and kick the opposition winger in to the paddock." I should hope so, it's only 4 years ago. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 15, 2016 11:10:51 GMT
Pace is the most valuable commodity in football and has been for a while. We suffered massively for its loss at the end of the Pulis era and though we have bags more now than we had then, a couple more rapid, direct options in the final third would help our goalscoring problems immeasurably. So which players would you sign? I never understand this question - there's an entire world out there and the Imbulas of the world tend to come from left field. We need a more direct option on the wings in the vein of a more consistent, less injured Moses. If Diouf isn't trusted by Hughes we need a version who is. The Whelan upgrade should be more mobile as well probably, even though obviously you don't want your holding midfielder gambolling forward at every opportunity. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 15, 2016 11:28:28 GMT
My lurcher is quick as fuck but sadly he can't play football
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Post by metalhead on Apr 15, 2016 11:30:19 GMT
So which players would you sign? I never understand this question - there's an entire world out there and the Imbulas of the world tend to come from left field. We need a more direct option on the wings in the vein of a more consistent, less injured Moses. If Diouf isn't trusted by Hughes we need a version who is. The Whelan upgrade should be more mobile as well probably, even though obviously you don't want your holding midfielder gambolling forward at every opportunity. My point is that people (like yourself) always say "we need pace, let's sign pace, we need a striker who can score 30 goals a season, we need a centre back who never gets injured and is best in the premier league", ultimately, wanting all these things is great but unless there's an actual abundance of those players, and there isn't. We also don't have the finances to sign a 50 million pound player. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 15, 2016 11:36:10 GMT
I never understand this question - there's an entire world out there and the Imbulas of the world tend to come from left field. We need a more direct option on the wings in the vein of a more consistent, less injured Moses. If Diouf isn't trusted by Hughes we need a version who is. The Whelan upgrade should be more mobile as well probably, even though obviously you don't want your holding midfielder gambolling forward at every opportunity. My point is that people (like yourself) always say "we need pace, let's sign pace, we need a striker who can score 30 goals a season, we need a centre back who never gets injured and is best in the premier league", ultimately, wanting all these things is great but unless there's an actual abundance of those players, and there isn't. We also don't have the finances to sign a 50 million pound player. Where did I say anything about 30 goals a season or a centre back who never gets injured? Did I miss a memo about quick players being rarer than the ark of covenant? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2016 11:53:35 GMT
I never understand this question - there's an entire world out there and the Imbulas of the world tend to come from left field. We need a more direct option on the wings in the vein of a more consistent, less injured Moses. If Diouf isn't trusted by Hughes we need a version who is. The Whelan upgrade should be more mobile as well probably, even though obviously you don't want your holding midfielder gambolling forward at every opportunity. My point is that people (like yourself) always say "we need pace, let's sign pace, we need a striker who can score 30 goals a season, we need a centre back who never gets injured and is best in the premier league", ultimately, wanting all these things is great but unless there's an actual abundance of those players, and there isn't. We also don't have the finances to sign a 50 million pound player. What do you want people to say? And isn't it why we have a scouting department? The 30 goal a season striker is daft but players with pace isn't. Look around the leagues, there are plenty of fast players! |
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Post by steewee on Apr 15, 2016 12:05:58 GMT
This one of the main reasons why we need to replace Hughes
Everyone sees him as a footballing man who has taken us to the next level, but all he has done is replace players with better technically gifted players and lifted us a few slight places in the prem. Anyone could have done that
Modern managers need to stay ahead of the curve and this thread highlights something he is blind too
Get rid I say, preferably before season end to give someone a proper bedding in time
Time to go Hughes
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 15, 2016 12:07:36 GMT
This one of the main reasons why we need to replace Hughes Everyone sees him as a footballing man who has taken us to the next level, but all he has done is replace players with better technically gifted players and lifted us a few slight places in the prem. Anyone could have done that Modern managers need to stay ahead of the curve and this thread highlights something he is blind too Get rid I say, preferably before season end to give someone a proper bedding in time Time to go Hughes 3/10 must try harder. |
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 15, 2016 12:12:40 GMT
Pace is key....the slow passing game was found out at the last World Cup. Seems to me many Premier League managers didn't notice and that's particularly obvious at Stoke
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Post by pez75 on Apr 15, 2016 12:13:19 GMT
My lurcher is quick as fuck but sadly he can't play football Is his name Diouf? |
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 15, 2016 12:13:58 GMT
This one of the main reasons why we need to replace Hughes Everyone sees him as a footballing man who has taken us to the next level, but all he has done is replace players with better technically gifted players and lifted us a few slight places in the prem. Anyone could have done that Modern managers need to stay ahead of the curve and this thread highlights something he is blind too Get rid I say, preferably before season end to give someone a proper bedding in time Time to go Hughes Pisser!  |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 15, 2016 12:39:09 GMT
Full backs - DeAndre Yedlin for the right, as Spurs have Walker and Trippier and he has had a full season at Sunderland to get used to English football - he is very quick. Amavi from Villa for the left please as he seems a good young prospect.
Any new wingers or forwards must have at least above average pace and it would help if at least one was a real speedster.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 15, 2016 12:47:21 GMT
My point is that people (like yourself) always say "we need pace, let's sign pace, we need a striker who can score 30 goals a season, we need a centre back who never gets injured and is best in the premier league", ultimately, wanting all these things is great but unless there's an actual abundance of those players, and there isn't. We also don't have the finances to sign a 50 million pound player. Where did I say anything about 30 goals a season or a centre back who never gets injured? Did I miss a memo about quick players being rarer than the ark of covenant? Maybe.... you've not named any yet? |
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Post by kustokie on Apr 15, 2016 12:48:08 GMT
Would love it if we could sign Moses in the summer. You need to find a way of relocating Stoke somewhere down South then, the only way he'd sign for us again. Beat me to it. He's not coming - people need to move on. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 15, 2016 12:52:11 GMT
Where did I say anything about 30 goals a season or a centre back who never gets injured? Did I miss a memo about quick players being rarer than the ark of covenant? Maybe.... you've not named any yet? I've asked you why I need to name them? Did you have the names Imbula or Arnautovic at your fingertips before we were linked with them? Do we not have a scouting system? They have to be out there somewhere, surely? Or are we not allowed to have an opinion unless we have a detailed knowledge of the Peruvian second division? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 12:55:02 GMT
My point is that people (like yourself) always say "we need pace, let's sign pace, we need a striker who can score 30 goals a season, we need a centre back who never gets injured and is best in the premier league", ultimately, wanting all these things is great but unless there's an actual abundance of those players, and there isn't. We also don't have the finances to sign a 50 million pound player. What do you want people to say? And isn't it why we have a scouting department? The 30 goal a season striker is daft but players with pace isn't. Look around the leagues, there are plenty of fast players! Agree Bayern. 30 goals a season in the prem is stretching it a bit these days. However, two pacey forwards (tin hat on) like Vardy/Mahrez who can get 30 goals between them would do nicely. |
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