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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 15, 2016 22:08:48 GMT
Surely having pace in our current style of play would be similar to playing square pegs in round holes  I don't get it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 22:12:38 GMT
The wingers cut inside because they are wrong footed wingers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2016 22:29:30 GMT
The wingers cut inside because they are wrong footed wingers. True but they look better when they go on the outside and both of them do it so well. That's the really frustrating bit for me. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 15, 2016 22:31:26 GMT
Now I think of it, our current squad really is short on pace in nearly every position. Asides from Shawcross, Diouf and Arnie, there's nobody who's particularly quick. Even saying that Ryan is quick is pushing it, really. We're desperate for some fast options.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2016 22:47:51 GMT
Now I think of it, our current squad really is short on pace in nearly every position. Asides from Shawcross, Diouf and Arnie, there's nobody who's particularly quick. Even saying that Ryan is quick is pushing it, really. We're desperate for some fast options. I'd say Ryan was quick. No one beats him with out and out pace. |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 15, 2016 23:03:37 GMT
The best football we played in the last 2 years was when Moses and Bojan were firing with N'Zonzi holding it together in midfield
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Post by elystokie on Apr 16, 2016 2:05:53 GMT
Surely having pace in our current style of play would be similar to playing square pegs in round holes :D I don't get it. Nor me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 2:07:06 GMT
Or are we not allowed to have an opinion unless we have a detailed knowledge of the Peruvian second division? Are we talking Segunda División or Copa Perú? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 5:07:44 GMT
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Post by bolders on Apr 16, 2016 9:01:39 GMT
Surely we can do better, played well when he came on against us but they hate him there. Like who?  I'd go for Jordan Ibe and while we're at it look at Joe Gomez for back up left back |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2016 9:17:57 GMT
Jordan Ibe would be great.
What's gone on with him at Liverpool? He's definitely one of their more direct and pacier players and way better than the turd Lallana.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 16, 2016 9:19:37 GMT
I hope that we start to pick a few players up from the lower leagues , we have seen this season that many can make the step up , they don't all need to be from overseas
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 16, 2016 21:45:16 GMT
Surely having pace in our current style of play would be similar to playing square pegs in round holes I don't get it. Because quite often we play at a pedestrian pace |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 16, 2016 23:05:24 GMT
Because quite often we play at a pedestrian pace Not by design though. We play counter attacking football which demands pace. |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 17, 2016 6:16:31 GMT
Because quite often we play at a pedestrian pace Not by design though. We play counter attacking football which demands pace. N Sorry. "Not by design".......... "I don't get it". A bit of a chicken and egg situation then. If counter attacking football requires pace ( you're right) why play it without? Just a difference of opinion that's all ???????? |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 17, 2016 7:13:04 GMT
Not by design though. We play counter attacking football which demands pace. N Sorry. "Not by design".......... "I don't get it". A bit of a chicken and egg situation then. If counter attacking football requires pace ( you're right) why play it without? Just a difference of opinion that's all ???????? You need pace generally in today's game - certainly in English football. We suffered for the lack of it at the end of the last regime. when we couldn't score for toffee, and we suffer for it now, when we're again struggling to score goals. I don't see the connection to square pegs and round holes. We're not deliberately ponderous, it's a failing, not a strategy. |
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 17, 2016 7:30:40 GMT
N Sorry. "Not by design".......... "I don't get it". A bit of a chicken and egg situation then. If counter attacking football requires pace ( you're right) why play it without? Just a difference of opinion that's all ???????? You need pace generally in today's game - certainly in English football. We suffered for the lack of it at the end of the last regime. when we couldn't score for toffee, and we suffer for it now, when we're again struggling to score goals. I don't see the connection to square pegs and round holes. We're not deliberately ponderous, it's a failing, not a strategy. Chief Sorry to disagree "the failing" is the strategy unless you do something about it. We play far to deliberately across the back at times and neither wide player nor full backs have pace to burn. Only Diouf has anything like pace but I'm not sure he's up to it at the level we wish to attain. If we don't have the players with pace surely a much faster direct passing game would be more appropriate, glimpse's we see far to rarely. My thoughts but perhaps thats why I pay to watch rather than standing on the touchline |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 17, 2016 7:47:31 GMT
You need pace generally in today's game - certainly in English football. We suffered for the lack of it at the end of the last regime. when we couldn't score for toffee, and we suffer for it now, when we're again struggling to score goals. I don't see the connection to square pegs and round holes. We're not deliberately ponderous, it's a failing, not a strategy. Chief Sorry to disagree "the failing" is the strategy unless you do something about it. We play far to deliberately across the back at times and neither wide player nor full backs have pace to burn. Only Diouf has anything like pace but I'm not sure he's up to it at the level we wish to attain. If we don't have the players with pace surely a much faster direct passing game would be more appropriate, glimpse's we see far to rarely. My thoughts but perhaps thats why I pay to watch rather than standing on the touchline I don't disagree with any of that mate...which is why we need more pace in the side. I think we do need to be more direct at times and move the ball more quickly a lot more than we do to break down teams at home. I think we need to give ourselves more varied attacking options. So in addition to the wide players we've got, a rapid, direct Moses-type. And an Odemwingie type for the right as well who can also play up front. Ntep or Ayoze would suit that position. It looks like we're going to go big for a pacey striker as well. |
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Post by stokemark on Apr 17, 2016 9:23:10 GMT
One of the Problems with really pacy players, particularly wingers, is the amount of physical abuse they take and the injuries and lay off time that accompanies it
I'd love us to sign Victor Moses but the lay off time that will come with him basically entails the need to sign a backup with him
They are a bit like thoroughbred race horses who not only then suffer pulls, strains and other 'self inflicted' injury due to the nature of how they perform they then have the added challenge of being kicked to shit week in week out.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Apr 17, 2016 9:27:37 GMT
No we just need fit full backs
Not injured ones!!
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Post by ryan4england on Apr 17, 2016 9:53:26 GMT
Pace is the most valuable commodity in football and has been for a while. We suffered massively for its loss at the end of the Pulis era and though we have bags more now than we had then, a couple more rapid, direct options in the final third would help our goalscoring problems immeasurably. The need for a winger who is more direct and fast has been obvious for a while, I think we over football it a lot of the time. I don't understand our interest in Berahino unless we intended to use him as a wide forward because he's a short arse & surely the best way to play that gives more options to the play with a direct pacy wide man is having a 'unit' up top who is also quick and mobile so the ball can be lumped up on occasions for his flick ons. Berahino isn't going to challenge for a high ball or be useful for an out ball. It makes no sense to me too buy a short arse as a lone front man because all you are doing is limiting your options. What we need imo instead of a Berahino up front is another Arnautovic, if not the man himself. In an ideal world you want threes Arnautovics along your frontline that offer height, strength & speed, again giving more options if you have three players for an outball or longball instead of one |
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Post by Theninjabadger on Apr 17, 2016 12:11:12 GMT
Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain could both be available in the summer according to Sky. Both have pace to burn. Can't imagine a top 4/5 team being in for them, either could be a good addition to the squad
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 12:39:09 GMT
Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain could both be available in the summer according to Sky. Both have pace to burn. Can't imagine a top 4/5 team being in for them, either could be a good addition to the squad I'd take Oxlade-Chaimberlain. Never Walcott though, he's so wank. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 18, 2016 8:30:58 GMT
Yeah - saw the discussion on Sunday Supplement about Walcott and Ox.
They seemed to think they'd both be off this summer.
Southampton mentioned for Ox -and they'd probably have more appeal as that's his old club and home town
They also seemed to have doubts that "a top 4 or 5 club" would be in for Theo. As he's supposedly got 3 yrs left on around £140k-a-week,it'll be interesting to see where he ends up.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2016 9:16:12 GMT
Yeah - saw the discussion on Sunday Supplement about Walcott and Ox. They seemed to think they'd both be off this summer. Southampton mentioned for Ox -and they'd probably have more appeal as that's his old club and home town They also seemed to have doubts that "a top 4 or 5 club" would be in for Theo. As he's supposedly got 3 yrs left on around £140k-a-week,it'll be interesting to see where he ends up. Do Oxlade-chamberlain s grandparents still live here? Tbh Southampton seems the obvious move for him |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2016 9:21:14 GMT
Yeah - saw the discussion on Sunday Supplement about Walcott and Ox. They seemed to think they'd both be off this summer. Southampton mentioned for Ox -and they'd probably have more appeal as that's his old club and home town They also seemed to have doubts that "a top 4 or 5 club" would be in for Theo. As he's supposedly got 3 yrs left on around £140k-a-week,it'll be interesting to see where he ends up. Do Oxlade-chamberlain s grandparents still live here? Tbh Southampton seems the obvious move for him His uncle Neville does. He's a Vale fan. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 18, 2016 10:45:32 GMT
It was always the case that a winger without real pace made no sense at all. That was true in Stanley Matthews day and still is.
I agree with the thread that the role of the full back in today's game means a full back without real pace makes no sense either.
Arnautovic and Glenn Johnson are proper quick, which is just another way of saying we two genuinely quick wide players minimum assuming Arnie stays.
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Post by kevkj on Apr 18, 2016 20:51:49 GMT
Slower than ever and a lack of effort as well now.
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Post by snig on Apr 18, 2016 22:16:07 GMT
Build up play too slow . Players too slow .. wingers outpaced by there full backs
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