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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Dec 12, 2015 22:57:41 GMT
Can't disagree with those 4. And Bardsley too. Forgot about him tbh! If he went then there probably is a need to keep Wilson and Cameron. But I can't see Bardsley leaving until his contract is up. He'll be on way too much for it to make sense for him. Is Michael Tonge still here?
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 23:04:27 GMT
Yes, well after I said it was his preferred position and watched him excel at Houston Dynamo and then get pigeonholed into RB under Pulis. I also said he'd be a key player here in a few years time and he's a fantastic player and footballer. I was right. Still trudging along with that nonsense... I see it's done you well He's not a key player is he? He's a squad player covering because we have no fucker else. He's doing a good job though and fair play to him. Shawcross is key. Butland is key. Whelan is key. I think that's it actually. Bojan is close. Arnie on current form is. Shaq will be. Yes he is... ask our manager. Imagine our table results without Geoff in this squad this season not in the back commanding the back line when Ryan was out... In the middle in the league cup with his game winning penalty he's been everywhere until we could get healthy enough to push him forward where he belongs. Just use your noggin for once. Bojan is close? WTF are you on. Arnie in form is? Another WTF comment. There is two other key players right there... Shaq included. That's reality. It takes 11 not 1. He is doing a damn fine job and did so again today and finally after years of service is getting plaudits from the media and fans who see his contribution. We could buy a £15 million or £35 million fernandinho but then we'd be like Chelsea in a year's time. Besides, Geoff and Glenn skinned those overpaid CMs last week so what is the difference.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 23:08:34 GMT
He's not a key player is he? He's a squad player covering because we have no fucker else. He's doing a good job though and fair play to him. Shawcross is key. Butland is key. Whelan is key. I think that's it actually. Bojan is close. Arnie on current form is. Shaq will be. Yes he is... ask our manager. Imagine our table results without Geoff in this squad this season not in the back commanding the back line when Ryan was out... In the middle in the league cup with his game winning penalty he's been everywhere until we could get healthy enough to push him forward where he belongs. Just use your noggin for once. Bojan is close? WTF are you on. Arnie in form is? Another WTF comment. There is two other key players right there... Shaq included. That's reality. It takes 11 not 1. He is doing a damn fine job and did so again today and finally after years of service is getting plaudits from the media and fans who see his contribution. We could buy a £15 million or £35 million fernandinho but then we'd be like Chelsea in a year's time. We'd be about the same I'd imagine. Bojan isn't a key player us yet imo. I don't think he's consistent enough. Arnie definitely isn't normally but on current form is but that will probably change soon. I hope to God it isn't because I love Arnie! And Shaq isn't either. Again too inconsistent so far. If they find the consistency then we will reach the places in the league we should do! Of course it takes 11 (it takes more) but he's not a key player. Never has been, never will be!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 12, 2015 23:09:49 GMT
Old
You really can't read I was the one saying Cameron should play In midfield in august , it's only worrying because they are our first two choices for that role that's not a criticism or a whinge just an observation .it would be the same if butland and given were injured . Keep up for gods sake .
While your at it read the diouf thread too .
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 23:10:12 GMT
Naw... Not having it. You've been dead wrong on this one for years... I'd expect the same from a year or two from now... It is what it is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 23:12:41 GMT
Naw... Not having it. You've been dead wrong on this one for years... I'd expect the same from a year or two from now... It is what it is. I've been wanting him to play in midfield in all of that time when needed....... He's no defender. He's not a key player. He's a decent squad player that can fill in when needed. But we need a starter. For now Cameron will do.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 12, 2015 23:12:49 GMT
Bojan is a key player. Arnie is a key player.
Shaq will be a key player.
Offensive players don't tend to be as consistent as defensive players. Wingers, forwards and attacking midfielders tend to go through spells of form. Obviously you want more good games than bad.
If Bojan and Arnie consistently played at the top of their game they'd be playing for the top teams in Europe. That's what seperates the top attacking talent at this level; consistency.
The likes of Bojan and Arnie are absolutely key players for us. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 23:14:55 GMT
Naw... Not having it. You've been dead wrong on this one for years... I'd expect the same from a year or two from now... It is what it is. I've been wanting him to play in midfield in all of that time when needed....... He's no defender. He's not a key player. He's a decent squad player that can fill in when needed. But we need a starter. For now Cameron will do. Naw, you were wanting him sold and gone for years which thankfully you've been proven wrong again and again all over the park and in several history making seasons. The midfield argument is as strawman as it gets Bayern. Remember, I started it when he first came here and everyone had no clue who he was or what the Dynamo was...
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 23:16:57 GMT
Bojan is a key player. Arnie is a key player. Shaq will be a key player. Offensive players don't tend to be as consistent as defensive players. Wingers, forwards and attacking midfielders tend to go through spells of form. Obviously you want more good games than bad. If Bojan and Arnie consistently played at the top of their game they'd be playing for the top teams in Europe. That's what seperates the top attacking talent at this level; consistency. The likes of Bojan and Arnie are absolutely key players for us. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy. Every player is a key player here. You can't win with 4 to 5 key players only and maintain mid-table season after season in the PL. Case in point Shawcy being out for so many games this season... Who stepped up?
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 12, 2015 23:18:56 GMT
Bojan is a key player. Arnie is a key player. Shaq will be a key player. Offensive players don't tend to be as consistent as defensive players. Wingers, forwards and attacking midfielders tend to go through spells of form. Obviously you want more good games than bad. If Bojan and Arnie consistently played at the top of their game they'd be playing for the top teams in Europe. That's what seperates the top attacking talent at this level; consistency. The likes of Bojan and Arnie are absolutely key players for us. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy. Every player is a key player here. You can't win with 4 to 5 key players only and maintain mid-table season after season in the PL. Case in point Shawcy being out for so many games this season... Who stepped up? You have key players and you have good squad players. Key olayers: - Butland Shawcross Pieters Whelan Arnie Bojan Potential to be key: - Shaqiri Affelay Diouf
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 23:19:58 GMT
Every player is a key player here. You can't win with 4 to 5 key players only and maintain mid-table season after season in the PL. Case in point Shawcy being out for so many games this season... Who stepped up? You have key players and you have good squad players. Key olayers: - Butland Shawcross Pieters Whelan Arnie Bojan Potential to be key: - Shaqiri Affelay Diouf That's not how the PL works but that's cute you and Bayern agree on a silly little term for "Key" Players... Look at Bournemouth son.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 23:23:46 GMT
Bojan is a key player. Arnie is a key player. Shaq will be a key player. Offensive players don't tend to be as consistent as defensive players. Wingers, forwards and attacking midfielders tend to go through spells of form. Obviously you want more good games than bad. If Bojan and Arnie consistently played at the top of their game they'd be playing for the top teams in Europe. That's what seperates the top attacking talent at this level; consistency. The likes of Bojan and Arnie are absolutely key players for us. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy. I don't think he is, I just don't think he's done it anywhere near consistently enough to be considered but that's not down to him but entirely down to injury. They would and that's where they'd move to if they were, it's where Arnie will probably end up in the next 12 months if he keeps it up. But as much as I've always loved Arnie he's not key. Indeed if we had signed Moses, he should have been in over him at the start of the season. That's not a key player! He has been this season though based on his form but that hasn't cemented it. If we had a third winger that was like a Moses I still think he'd have been in and out of the side. It's probably helped him that we haven't tbh! Bojan needs to influence more games, more often.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 23:27:01 GMT
Bayern talking about "key" player consistency in a Geoff Cameron player's thread where he has been "consistently" wrong... I'm going to take that to the bank! Goodnight everyone! Going to get pissed from my Bournemouth winnings in a "key" win for them with so many "key" players injured and out for the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 23:33:08 GMT
I haven't been consistently wrong have I? Indeed I was right from the off......
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 12, 2015 23:40:30 GMT
You have key players and you have good squad players. Key olayers: - Butland Shawcross Pieters Whelan Arnie Bojan Potential to be key: - Shaqiri Affelay Diouf That's not how the PL works but that's cute you and Bayern agree on a silly little term for "Key" Players... Look at Bournemouth son. That isn't how the PL works. Or any league. All teams all over the world have key players. Man City have the likes of Aguero and Kompany who are key. And the likes of Fernando and Fernandinho who are not. Arsenal - Sanchez key. Oxlade not. Tottenham - Kane key. Fazio not. Stoke - Shawcross key. Bardsley not It's a pretty simple concept.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 12, 2015 23:42:30 GMT
Bojan is a key player. Arnie is a key player. Shaq will be a key player. Offensive players don't tend to be as consistent as defensive players. Wingers, forwards and attacking midfielders tend to go through spells of form. Obviously you want more good games than bad. If Bojan and Arnie consistently played at the top of their game they'd be playing for the top teams in Europe. That's what seperates the top attacking talent at this level; consistency. The likes of Bojan and Arnie are absolutely key players for us. To suggest otherwise is complete lunacy. I don't think he is, I just don't think he's done it anywhere near consistently enough to be considered but that's not down to him but entirely down to injury. They would and that's where they'd move to if they were, it's where Arnie will probably end up in the next 12 months if he keeps it up. But as much as I've always loved Arnie he's not key. Indeed if we had signed Moses, he should have been in over him at the start of the season. That's not a key player! He has been this season though based on his form but that hasn't cemented it. If we had a third winger that was like a Moses I still think he'd have been in and out of the side. It's probably helped him that we haven't tbh! Bojan needs to influence more games, more often. Up until the last two games where he's played up top, the whole team appeared weaker when Bojan wasn't in "the hole". Of course injuries have hindered him but even at 60 or 70%, he's more than good enough to command a starting spot. He is that good.
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Post by march4 on Dec 12, 2015 23:50:40 GMT
So, this season, we have seen that Adam is superior to the eternally overrated N'Zonzi in every single aspect of the midfielder's craft.
It goes without saying that Glenn is superior to the overrated one.
And for the last two games, even the much maligned Cameron has shown how much better he is than him.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 13, 2015 0:00:15 GMT
Yes he is... ask our manager. Imagine our table results without Geoff in this squad this season not in the back commanding the back line when Ryan was out... In the middle in the league cup with his game winning penalty he's been everywhere until we could get healthy enough to push him forward where he belongs. Just use your noggin for once. Bojan is close? WTF are you on. Arnie in form is? Another WTF comment. There is two other key players right there... Shaq included. That's reality. It takes 11 not 1. He is doing a damn fine job and did so again today and finally after years of service is getting plaudits from the media and fans who see his contribution. We could buy a £15 million or £35 million fernandinho but then we'd be like Chelsea in a year's time. We'd be about the same I'd imagine. Bojan isn't a key player us yet imo. I don't think he's consistent enough. Arnie definitely isn't normally but on current form is but that will probably change soon. I hope to God it isn't because I love Arnie! And Shaq isn't either. Again too inconsistent so far. If they find the consistency then we will reach the places in the league we should do! Of course it takes 11 (it takes more) but he's not a key player. Never has been, never will be! You do talk nonsense based around such extreme positions such as allowing for no mistakes or fluctuaitons in performance. Cameron has been one of our key players this season alongside Butland and Pieters and Arnie, he has been consistent in every game in a variety of positions. Allowed us to cope without Ryan and played a central role in our best ever Premier League performance last week. Van Ginkel is a squad player, Geoff is several levels ahead. Bojan absolutely key as shown by how much better we were when we could get him on the ball, helped create two chances that should have won the match in the second half, and look at our results since he came back. Shaq has created the 3 goals by whch we beat Chelsea and Man City, absolutely key contributions and his absence today cost us Shawcross had a poor game today but that doesn't mean he is not a key player. Think of our team without these players and then say they are not key
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 13, 2015 0:10:24 GMT
What exactly was the injury that caused Cameron to be subbed? Good thing we have plenty of squad depth with the likes of van ginkel and sidwell if Geoff is going to be out during this busy part of the season, and Charlie Adam will possibly be banned for stepping on someone.
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Post by norters on Dec 13, 2015 9:46:38 GMT
Came back on the train to Crewe with Geoff and the team last night.. had a brief chat.. he won't be fit for a couple of weeks..was struggling to hobble about the train.. nice fella though.. as they all were to be fair..
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2015 10:08:09 GMT
Big blow that Eve he Misses 3 or 4 games .
Don't need a ban for Adam now as I pointed out to Old one last night .
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Post by claudinho on Dec 13, 2015 14:36:32 GMT
Let's be honest: Bayern is wank.
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Post by homer32 on Dec 13, 2015 19:01:49 GMT
Came back on the train to Crewe with Geoff and the team last night.. had a brief chat.. he won't be fit for a couple of weeks..was struggling to hobble about the train.. nice fella though.. as they all were to be fair.. I bet you didn't see Ryan on the train back to Crewe cus I saw him at Winter Wonderland in Hyde Park with his wife and child today.Left him alone as I'm sure he didn't want scruffy hungover stokies spoiling his day with his family!!
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 13, 2015 23:26:43 GMT
When we get in a position to score is it too much to ask that we score instead of contriving to do anything else than score. We have missed some chances recently
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:01:18 GMT
When we get in a position to score is it too much to ask that we score instead of contriving to do anything else than score. We have missed some chances recently Only 8 presentable ones in the last 3 games, tbf... :-0
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 19:37:17 GMT
Played in his proper position in front of the back four, he will be a key part of the next steps for Stoke City. Of that I am sure.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 14, 2015 19:41:58 GMT
So, this season, we have seen that Adam is superior to the eternally overrated N'Zonzi in every single aspect of the midfielder's craft. It goes without saying that Glenn is superior to the overrated one. And for the last two games, even the much maligned Cameron has shown how much better he is than him. I actually think you've lost the plot mate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 20:26:03 GMT
Came back on the train to Crewe with Geoff and the team last night.. had a brief chat.. he won't be fit for a couple of weeks..was struggling to hobble about the train.. nice fella though.. as they all were to be fair.. Sorry to hear this! As of yet no official statements regarding his injury right? EDIT: nice you got to chat with him, though.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 15, 2015 9:04:45 GMT
Bickering aside, I thought Geoff was fantastic against West Ham. He and Whelan work brilliantly together. He must be surprising a few with how confident he is on the ball as well.
Hope the injury isn't as bad as he's suggested. We'll really miss him if he doesn't play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2015 11:23:27 GMT
I don't think he is, I just don't think he's done it anywhere near consistently enough to be considered but that's not down to him but entirely down to injury. They would and that's where they'd move to if they were, it's where Arnie will probably end up in the next 12 months if he keeps it up. But as much as I've always loved Arnie he's not key. Indeed if we had signed Moses, he should have been in over him at the start of the season. That's not a key player! He has been this season though based on his form but that hasn't cemented it. If we had a third winger that was like a Moses I still think he'd have been in and out of the side. It's probably helped him that we haven't tbh! Bojan needs to influence more games, more often. Up until the last two games where he's played up top, the whole team appeared weaker when Bojan wasn't in "the hole". Of course injuries have hindered him but even at 60 or 70%, he's more than good enough to command a starting spot. He is that good. I don't think we were that much weaker due to that. Having no Shawcross and Adam/Van Ginkel hamstrung us. Bojan makes us better but I don't think he's key. He will be but he's still a long way from match fitness imo. And is our best formation a 4-2-3-1 with Bojan in? I don't think it is. Our best performances last season (Spurs and Liverpool) came with a 4-1-2-2-1 sort of formation and so did the Man City game. And as we saw Bojan can play up top in that but that formation needs the star wingers behind. Afellay is a poor imitation of himself on the wing and needs to play centrally. The fantastic thing with Bojan, Shaq and Arnie is they can all change around and do it quick, you don't get that fluidity with Afellay on the wing.
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