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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 21:31:08 GMT
I'd sell him now. Or Wilson. We still don't need both. Having Cameron playing there just emphasises the mess we made of trying to find a replacement for N'Zonzi. Another reason I'm thankful most people on here don't have the purse strings...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 21:33:52 GMT
I'd sell him now. Or Wilson. We still don't need both. Having Cameron playing there just emphasises the mess we made of trying to find a replacement for N'Zonzi. Another reason I'm thankful most people on here don't have the purse strings... But we don't need both of them do we? Either can go. Really not arsed depends on what happens elsewhere I guess. And we do still need someone to partner Whelan. Cameron has done well but we should aspire to better. Thankfully I think we will.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 12, 2015 21:50:52 GMT
Another reason I'm thankful most people on here don't have the purse strings... But we don't need both of them do we? Either can go. Really not arsed depends on what happens elsewhere I guess. And we do still need someone to partner Whelan. Cameron has done well but we should aspire to better. Thankfully I think we will. Not too long ago you were saying we could sell Wollscheid as he wasn't needed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 21:54:57 GMT
But we don't need both of them do we? Either can go. Really not arsed depends on what happens elsewhere I guess. And we do still need someone to partner Whelan. Cameron has done well but we should aspire to better. Thankfully I think we will. Not too long ago you were saying we could sell Wollscheid as he wasn't needed. I still wouldn't be arsed. The squad is way too big. Wolly obviously won't go but we should be looking to get rid of Crouch, Wingie, Sidwell, Ireland and probably Wilson. And we could easily get by with just bringing in a winger to replace that lot and then use the U-21's to boost it as and when.
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 12, 2015 21:59:45 GMT
Not too long ago you were saying we could sell Wollscheid as he wasn't needed. I still wouldn't be arsed. The squad is way too big. Wolly obviously won't go but we should be looking to get rid of Crouch, Wingie, Sidwell, Ireland and probably Wilson. And we could easily get by with just bringing in a winger to replace that lot and then use the U-21's to boost it as and when. Can't disagree with those 4. And Bardsley too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:01:26 GMT
I still wouldn't be arsed. The squad is way too big. Wolly obviously won't go but we should be looking to get rid of Crouch, Wingie, Sidwell, Ireland and probably Wilson. And we could easily get by with just bringing in a winger to replace that lot and then use the U-21's to boost it as and when. Can't disagree with those 4. And Bardsley too. Forgot about him tbh! If he went then there probably is a need to keep Wilson and Cameron. But I can't see Bardsley leaving until his contract is up. He'll be on way too much for it to make sense for him.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2015 22:01:29 GMT
Who was that bloke who said Cameron for midfield in a post called brutal truth back in August . Top footballing brain at work there . I think Klinsmann for one was well ahead of you as well as a lot of other posters on here in past seasons. The fact is Cameron has been played by managers where they needed him most, RB and CB. Now MH has acquired Wolly and got him and/or Muniesa to play alongside Ryan, he can start to use Cameron where his athleticism and other talents suit him best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 22:04:03 GMT
Can believe how good he has looked in midfield. He was a fucking Rolls Royce in there today. Class
As someone who has criticised Geoff in the past, he has been superb this season, he has stepped up not just one but two or three levels. I wonder what the secret is?!
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:05:22 GMT
Who was that bloke who said Cameron for midfield in a post called brutal truth back in August . Top footballing brain at work there . I think Klinsmann for one was well ahead of you as well as a lot of other posters on here in past seasons. The fact is Cameron has been played by managers where they needed him most, RB and CB. Now MH has acquired Wolly and got him and/or Muniesa to play alongside Ryan, he can start to use Cameron where his athleticism and other talents suit him best. Exactly. It's also the reason he was re-signed in the summer.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2015 22:10:31 GMT
Can't understand the desire on here to let players go. It is less than 12 months when we were struggling to put out a full team due to injuries. Upgrade the squad, yes, but that is different.
We need to maximise our income by cup runs and highest Prem place and being more attractive to TV coverage. With money flooding in next season the cost* of players is bound to inflate. * transfer/agents/wages
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:12:05 GMT
Another reason I'm thankful most people on here don't have the purse strings... But we don't need both of them do we? Either can go. Really not arsed depends on what happens elsewhere I guess. And we do still need someone to partner Whelan. Cameron has done well but we should aspire to better. Thankfully I think we will. Cameron isn't going anywhere soon especially in this setup. Wilson, Sidwell, Odemwingie, Bardsley, Crouch, and Ireland most likely will be off much sooner and sought by PL teams or championship teams coming up this off season. Especially with Wilko's extension ending the 31st.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:15:33 GMT
But we don't need both of them do we? Either can go. Really not arsed depends on what happens elsewhere I guess. And we do still need someone to partner Whelan. Cameron has done well but we should aspire to better. Thankfully I think we will. Cameron isn't going anywhere soon especially in this setup. Wilson, Sidwell, Odemwingie, Bardsley, Crouch, and Ireland most likely will be off much sooner and sought by PL teams or championship teams coming up this off season. Especially with Wilko's extension ending the 31st. I agree! We wouldn't overly miss him if he did though. We still need a starting central midfielder now and he's way down the pecking order elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 22:18:55 GMT
The squad is way too big. It's not your club. It's not your budget. Why do you drone on ignorantly and foolishly making statements like this? We are moving on, progressing and we need a bigger squad with competition, cover, and rotation. Even the commentator today said it showed how we've progressed when Walters and Adam come off the bench. I have no clue what is wrong with you, what goes through your head why you need to drone on so negatively all the time. Opinion is cool and all that but you sir are an idiot.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:21:02 GMT
Cameron isn't going anywhere soon especially in this setup. Wilson, Sidwell, Odemwingie, Bardsley, Crouch, and Ireland most likely will be off much sooner and sought by PL teams or championship teams coming up this off season. Especially with Wilko's extension ending the 31st. I agree! We wouldn't overly miss him if he did though. We still need a starting central midfielder now and he's way down the pecking order elsewhere. I disagree, we'd massively miss his athleticism starting in the middle with only Whelan being an option. We'd most dearly miss his engine and ability to get forward and speed up our build up and we haven't found another CM option in MVG which looks ever more so a bust and today Adam showed he can start there for a few weeks but is inconsistent in form... It's looking ever more Hughes plan to stick with Cameron and Whelan in midfield until he can replace them both with younger talent as per the contract extensions.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:24:32 GMT
I agree! We wouldn't overly miss him if he did though. We still need a starting central midfielder now and he's way down the pecking order elsewhere. I disagree, we'd massively miss his athleticism starting in the middle with only Whelan being an option. We'd most dearly miss his engine and ability to get forward and speed up our build up and we haven't found another CM option in MVG which looks ever more so a bust and today Adam showed he can start there for a few weeks but is inconsistent in form... It's looking ever more Hughes plan to stick with Cameron and Whelan in midfield until he can replace them both with younger talent as per the contract extensions. We coped with Adam in there. Getting a partner for Whelan has to be the priority in this window, it should have been in the last! But yeah until we find that man, Cameron should be starting, which troubles me but it is what it is!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:28:25 GMT
The squad is way too big. It's not your club. It's not your budget. Why do you drone on ignorantly and foolishly making statements like this? We are moving on, progressing and we need a bigger squad with competition, cover, and rotation. Even the commentator today said it showed how we've progressed when Walters and Adam come off the bench. I have no clue what is wrong with you, what goes through your head why you need to drone on so negatively all the time. Opinion is cool and all that but you sir are an idiot. It's a Stoke City messageboard where we can discuss such shit? We just have a series of pros on good money doing fuck all. Better to have younger players imo. I want to see some younger players coming through not the likes of Sidwell, Bardsley and Odemwingie (as much as he did for us that half season) sitting earning probably 80k a week between them just in case we need them. We need to think about the pathways of younger players, without those pathways we won't attract the young players the club say they want. I'm not sure Hughes gives a shiny shit mind but we shall see!
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:33:52 GMT
I disagree, we'd massively miss his athleticism starting in the middle with only Whelan being an option. We'd most dearly miss his engine and ability to get forward and speed up our build up and we haven't found another CM option in MVG which looks ever more so a bust and today Adam showed he can start there for a few weeks but is inconsistent in form... It's looking ever more Hughes plan to stick with Cameron and Whelan in midfield until he can replace them both with younger talent as per the contract extensions. We coped with Adam in there. Getting a partner for Whelan has to be the priority in this window, it should have been in the last! But yeah until we find that man, Cameron should be starting, which troubles me but it is what it is! Adam coped where as Geoff has excelled in that regard. He was great today and when he went off with his hammy pull our passing and build up was noticably slowed. It's obvious that Hughes is going to use Geoff as Whelans partner. Priority #1 is winger cover. We have Odemwingie leaving and Walters and Afellay to cover Shaq that's it and only Moha for LW for Arnie if Afellay can't cover. Cameron is starting and should be in his signed role as his recent performances especially versus man city and if he keeps playing like he is he well could be a starter for us in that position for sometime as he wins the ball and gets forward on the counter faster than most CM's in the league. He offers what so few can in this league at the moment in CM and it's so obvious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:37:18 GMT
We coped with Adam in there. Getting a partner for Whelan has to be the priority in this window, it should have been in the last! But yeah until we find that man, Cameron should be starting, which troubles me but it is what it is! Adam coped where as Geoff has excelled in that regard. He was great today and when he went off with his hammy pull our passing and build up was noticably slowed. It's obvious that Hughes is going to use Geoff as Whelans partner. Priority #1 is winger cover. We have Odemwingie leaving and Walters and Afellay to cover Shaq that's it and only Moha for LW for Arnie if Afellay can't cover. Cameron is starting and should be in his signed role as his recent performances especially versus man city and if he keeps playing like he is he well could be a starter for us in that position for sometime as he wins the ball and gets forward on the counter faster than most CM's in the league. He offers what so few can in this league at the moment in CM and it's so obvious. He is going to use him but he needs replacing asap. Cover for the wing is another thing we should have got sorted in the summer and daft that we didn't! The last sentence.....just no. He is doing well though but when we sold N'Zonzi we should have had half a season trying someone who is green as fuck, Charlie Adam and then settling for Geoff Cameron. It's piss poor.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:40:39 GMT
Adam coped where as Geoff has excelled in that regard. He was great today and when he went off with his hammy pull our passing and build up was noticably slowed. It's obvious that Hughes is going to use Geoff as Whelans partner. Priority #1 is winger cover. We have Odemwingie leaving and Walters and Afellay to cover Shaq that's it and only Moha for LW for Arnie if Afellay can't cover. Cameron is starting and should be in his signed role as his recent performances especially versus man city and if he keeps playing like he is he well could be a starter for us in that position for sometime as he wins the ball and gets forward on the counter faster than most CM's in the league. He offers what so few can in this league at the moment in CM and it's so obvious. He is going to use him but he needs replacing asap. Cover for the wing is another thing we should have got sorted in the summer and daft that we didn't! The last sentence.....just no. He is doing well though but when we sold N'Zonzi we should have had half a season trying someone who is green as fuck, Charlie Adam and then settling for Geoff Cameron. It's piss poor. I'm sorry you're the only oatie to not see it, well to be honest you've never seen the lads athleticism or footballing ability and that's sad. It shows all the time, especially after today's flick reverse at pace on the run. His 5 tackles and 61 touches setting up the wingers... You're the last person who should be commenting on settling hahaha you've settled in not seeing reality far too often.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 12, 2015 22:40:53 GMT
Adam coped where as Geoff has excelled in that regard. He was great today and when he went off with his hammy pull our passing and build up was noticably slowed. It's obvious that Hughes is going to use Geoff as Whelans partner. Priority #1 is winger cover. We have Odemwingie leaving and Walters and Afellay to cover Shaq that's it and only Moha for LW for Arnie if Afellay can't cover. Cameron is starting and should be in his signed role as his recent performances especially versus man city and if he keeps playing like he is he well could be a starter for us in that position for sometime as he wins the ball and gets forward on the counter faster than most CM's in the league. He offers what so few can in this league at the moment in CM and it's so obvious. He is going to use him but he needs replacing asap. Cover for the wing is another thing we should have got sorted in the summer and daft that we didn't! The last sentence.....just no. He is doing well though but when we sold N'Zonzi we should have had half a season trying someone who is green as fuck, Charlie Adam and then settling for Geoff Cameron. It's piss poor. Who should we be getting in then Cloughie?
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:43:05 GMT
He is going to use him but he needs replacing asap. Cover for the wing is another thing we should have got sorted in the summer and daft that we didn't! The last sentence.....just no. He is doing well though but when we sold N'Zonzi we should have had half a season trying someone who is green as fuck, Charlie Adam and then settling for Geoff Cameron. It's piss poor. Who should we be getting in then Cloughie? It'll be some "shit" footballer who then becomes amazing for us like Geoff who he'll then say "I saw it all along..."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:45:17 GMT
He is going to use him but he needs replacing asap. Cover for the wing is another thing we should have got sorted in the summer and daft that we didn't! The last sentence.....just no. He is doing well though but when we sold N'Zonzi we should have had half a season trying someone who is green as fuck, Charlie Adam and then settling for Geoff Cameron. It's piss poor. I'm sorry you're the only oatie to not see it, well to be honest you've never seen the lads athleticism or footballing ability and that's sad. It shows all the time, especially after today's flick reverse at pace on the run. His 5 tackles and 61 touches setting up the wingers... You're the last person who should be commenting on settling hahaha you've settled in not seeing reality far too often. I've said he's playing well, I've said we've improved since he got in the side......I'm seeing it, I just think we can do better. Which we can.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 12, 2015 22:45:38 GMT
Worrying if its a real hamstring and Charlie gets ban 4 games in 12 days could become very tricky 2 from whelan. Van Ginkel , Wilson probably
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:48:08 GMT
He is going to use him but he needs replacing asap. Cover for the wing is another thing we should have got sorted in the summer and daft that we didn't! The last sentence.....just no. He is doing well though but when we sold N'Zonzi we should have had half a season trying someone who is green as fuck, Charlie Adam and then settling for Geoff Cameron. It's piss poor. Who should we be getting in then Cloughie? I'll leave that to the manager! George Thorne would have been interesting, he'd have started slow but well worth persisting with. Sergio Molina is developing nicely in the U-21's too for this role (played a killer through ball today for Telford's goal). But needs a Championship loan. Dembele was the obvious choice but obviously that ship has massively sailed! Ditto Roberto but that was never likely.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:49:10 GMT
Who should we be getting in then Cloughie? It'll be some "shit" footballer who then becomes amazing for us like Geoff who he'll then say "I saw it all along..." From his debut I said he was a midfielder. He shouldn't be a regular in a Premier League side though, in any position!
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:50:57 GMT
Worrying if its a real hamstring and Charlie gets ban 4 games in 12 days could become very tricky 2 from whelan. Van Ginkel , Wilson probably Worrying that's up you two's alley. We are fine, we're on good points in the season so far and we do not miss the frenchman in any regard except for his possession to himself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 22:51:13 GMT
Worrying if its a real hamstring and Charlie gets ban 4 games in 12 days could become very tricky 2 from whelan. Van Ginkel , Wilson probably So in that scenario, we'd STILL have squad cover but of course then you'd have new fodder to whine and moan about. I don't think you've got eyes in your head. I think you just make stuff up to complain about. Cameron is doing great. If you can't see that, give credit, and support the lad, then I just don't know why you claim to be a Stoke fan. Everything negative, all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 22:51:22 GMT
Worrying if its a real hamstring and Charlie gets ban 4 games in 12 days could become very tricky 2 from whelan. Van Ginkel , Wilson probably Afellay could drop central maybe, or Sidwell returns.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 12, 2015 22:53:39 GMT
It'll be some "shit" footballer who then becomes amazing for us like Geoff who he'll then say "I saw it all along..." From his debut I said he was a midfielder. He shouldn't be a regular in a Premier League side though, in any position! Yes, well after I said it was his preferred position and watched him excel at Houston Dynamo and then get pigeonholed into RB under Pulis. I also said he'd be a key player here in a few years time and he's a fantastic player and footballer. I was right. Still trudging along with that nonsense... I see it's done you well
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 12, 2015 22:57:35 GMT
From his debut I said he was a midfielder. He shouldn't be a regular in a Premier League side though, in any position! Yes, well after I said it was his preferred position and watched him excel at Houston Dynamo and then get pigeonholed into RB under Pulis. I also said he'd be a key player here in a few years time and he's a fantastic player and footballer. I was right. Still trudging along with that nonsense... I see it's done you well He's not a key player is he? He's a squad player covering because we have no fucker else. He's doing a good job though and fair play to him. Shawcross is key. Butland is key. Whelan is key. I think that's it actually. Bojan is close. Arnie on current form is. Shaq will be.
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