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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 16, 2015 22:25:52 GMT
He's going to miss the game this weekend but should be fit for the United game according to the Sentinel
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 16, 2015 22:30:36 GMT
That's pretty good news he'll be missed though.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 16, 2015 22:42:16 GMT
Up until the last two games where he's played up top, the whole team appeared weaker when Bojan wasn't in "the hole". Of course injuries have hindered him but even at 60 or 70%, he's more than good enough to command a starting spot. He is that good. I don't think we were that much weaker due to that. Having no Shawcross and Adam/Van Ginkel hamstrung us. Bojan makes us better but I don't think he's key. He will be but he's still a long way from match fitness imo. And is our best formation a 4-2-3-1 with Bojan in? I don't think it is. Our best performances last season (Spurs and Liverpool) came with a 4-1-2-2-1 sort of formation and so did the Man City game. And as we saw Bojan can play up top in that but that formation needs the star wingers behind. Afellay is a poor imitation of himself on the wing and needs to play centrally. The fantastic thing with Bojan, Shaq and Arnie is they can all change around and do it quick, you don't get that fluidity with Afellay on the wing. We didn't play a 41221 against Citeh. Bojan played deeper than Arnie and Shaq for much of the time - there was certainly no lone striker. It could be described as a 4123 or a 433 or even a 41212.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 17, 2015 1:09:57 GMT
He's going to miss the game this weekend but should be fit for the United game according to the Sentinel We'll miss him for sure. Was very good on Saturday and exceptional against Citeh. Chance for Adam to step up once again. A rest might have done him some good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2015 20:18:25 GMT
I don't think we were that much weaker due to that. Having no Shawcross and Adam/Van Ginkel hamstrung us. Bojan makes us better but I don't think he's key. He will be but he's still a long way from match fitness imo. And is our best formation a 4-2-3-1 with Bojan in? I don't think it is. Our best performances last season (Spurs and Liverpool) came with a 4-1-2-2-1 sort of formation and so did the Man City game. And as we saw Bojan can play up top in that but that formation needs the star wingers behind. Afellay is a poor imitation of himself on the wing and needs to play centrally. The fantastic thing with Bojan, Shaq and Arnie is they can all change around and do it quick, you don't get that fluidity with Afellay on the wing. We didn't play a 41221 against Citeh. Bojan played deeper than Arnie and Shaq for much of the time - there was certainly no lone striker. It could be described as a 4123 or a 433 or even a 41212. That's what a false 9 does! He's still the 1.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 19, 2015 17:25:28 GMT
We missed him today.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 19, 2015 17:26:20 GMT
Without doubt. His energy was sorely missed.
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Post by nik80 on Dec 19, 2015 17:30:09 GMT
Thought Van Ginkel played well though.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 19, 2015 17:32:59 GMT
Missed Cameron's engine and pressing the attack by driving forward behind Afellay and Bojan...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 17:34:15 GMT
I thought van ginkel played well and therefore wouldn't have missed Geoff. However I thought Whelan had a shocking game
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 19, 2015 17:39:48 GMT
I agree, MVG played well, Whelan did not.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 19, 2015 17:42:01 GMT
Van played well I thought.
Still think if Cameron's fit, he starts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 18:16:52 GMT
Van played well I thought. Still think if Cameron's fit, he starts. Agreed.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Dec 19, 2015 18:30:27 GMT
Said a lot for me today seeing Geoff turn up about half 2 to watch his team mates whilst 20 minutes earlier Sidwell drove away again
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Post by metalhead on Dec 19, 2015 18:34:12 GMT
I thought van ginkel played well and therefore wouldn't have missed Geoff. However I thought Whelan had a shocking game We missed him.
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Post by hawth121087 on Dec 22, 2015 15:08:47 GMT
Any news how long he'll be out for?
Thought we missed his legs against Palace. Could do with him for Saturday
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Post by potterglen on Dec 22, 2015 16:10:10 GMT
Still out I believe.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 22, 2015 16:13:08 GMT
Real shame if he is, missed him a lot.
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Post by Gods on Dec 22, 2015 16:35:45 GMT
Perhaps we could just get his legs back for the next game
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 22, 2015 16:38:27 GMT
They seemed to think it was a 2 week job when he did it - which would make next Saturday touch and go but not impossible. It might depend on when/if he starts training this week.
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Post by Linx on Dec 22, 2015 17:08:58 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 22, 2015 18:07:43 GMT
Yes, doesn't look good - but better safe than sorry. I'd go for a 4231 against Man Utd, with Afellay in CM with Whelan, Bojan back in his old position and Diouf (or Joselu?) as striker in front of the 3.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:10:34 GMT
I thought Van Ginkel looked like he was starting to turn it around last week and vs WHU, wouldn't drop him personally
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 22, 2015 18:43:26 GMT
I thought Van Ginkel looked like he was starting to turn it around last week and vs WHU, wouldn't drop him personally Yes, Van Ginkel does look better than he did. But Man Utd have a decent and I think the key to unlocking it might be in Afellay's passing if he is played in CM. And if we play with a striker in front of the 3 then there isn't room for Van G and Afellay - unless we dropped Bojan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 19:34:20 GMT
I thought Van Ginkel looked like he was starting to turn it around last week and vs WHU, wouldn't drop him personally Yes, Van Ginkel does look better than he did. But Man Utd have a decent and I think the key to unlocking it might be in Afellay's passing if he is played in CM. And if we play with a striker in front of the 3 then there isn't room for Van G and Afellay - unless we dropped Bojan. In my view I'd persist with Bojan up top, we've been creating far more chances with him there, he seems to drag his marker out of position very easily because he's such a threat. Although if playing a striker I agree, problem is the midfield could be overrun with only Whelan and Afellay. Geoff's and Glenn's running against city meant Afellay could bomb forward when we got possession back, not sure Whelan could do two midfielder's running.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 22, 2015 19:44:18 GMT
Yes, Van Ginkel does look better than he did. But Man Utd have a decent and I think the key to unlocking it might be in Afellay's passing if he is played in CM. And if we play with a striker in front of the 3 then there isn't room for Van G and Afellay - unless we dropped Bojan. In my view I'd persist with Bojan up top, we've been creating far more chances with him there, he seems to drag his marker out of position very easily because he's such a threat. Although if playing a striker I agree, problem is the midfield could be overrun with only Whelan and Afellay. Geoff's and Glenn's running against city meant Afellay could bomb forward when we got possession back, not sure Whelan could do two midfielder's running. There should be a way of playing Bojan behind a striker and getting the best of both worlds. To be fair, since Bojan got back to fitness, he's hardly played a minute with Diouf - has to be worth a try. As to your other point, I'm not sure that the current Man U midfield is capable of over running anyone - they are not the team they were.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 22, 2015 20:14:12 GMT
Huge blow as I said in August he is one of the first names on the sheet the very core of the team . We missed him badly on Saturday most notably physically when we looked so poor clearing and defending set pieces which ultimately cost us and got out legged on midfield so often .
I'd now play diouf up top with bojan behind him or affelay to get some more strength and legs in the team . Ultimately one of the galaticos can't olay unless affelay can play as one of two central midfielders.
Huge loss as it's a massive game for both teams as the bottom of the table closes up and. We have two tough away games to follow always tougher when the games are close together to play away lose Saturday and we could be in squeaky territory by the 3rd of. Jan . The Liverpool and doncaster games game would then be a unwelcome meaningless distractions compared to our main goal , with season defining home games to Norwich and arsenal week of the 11th
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Dec 22, 2015 20:23:28 GMT
Huge blow as I said in August he is one of the first names on the sheet the very core of the team . We missed him badly on Saturday most notably physically when we looked so poor clearing and defending set pieces which ultimately cost us and got out legged on midfield so often . I'd now play diouf up top with bojan behind him or affelay to get some more strength and legs in the team . Ultimately one of the galaticos can't olay unless affelay can play as one of two central midfielders. Huge loss as it's a massive game for both teams as the bottom of the table closes up and. We have two tough away games to follow always tougher when the games are close together to play away lose Saturday and we could be in squeaky territory by the 3rd of. Jan . The Liverpool and doncaster games game would then be a unwelcome meaningless distractions compared to our main goal , with season defining home games to Norwich and arsenal week of the 11th Give it a fucking rest. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards
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Post by padders01 on Dec 22, 2015 20:25:17 GMT
Huge blow as I said in August he is one of the first names on the sheet the very core of the team . We missed him badly on Saturday most notably physically when we looked so poor clearing and defending set pieces which ultimately cost us and got out legged on midfield so often . I'd now play diouf up top with bojan behind him or affelay to get some more strength and legs in the team . Ultimately one of the galaticos can't olay unless affelay can play as one of two central midfielders. Huge loss as it's a massive game for both teams as the bottom of the table closes up and. We have two tough away games to follow always tougher when the games are close together to play away lose Saturday and we could be in squeaky territory by the 3rd of. Jan . The Liverpool and doncaster games game would then be a unwelcome meaningless distractions compared to our main goal , with season defining home games to Norwich and arsenal week of the 11th Look at me, quick look. Everyone look at me.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 22, 2015 20:32:18 GMT
Huge blow as I said in August he is one of the first names on the sheet the very core of the team . We missed him badly on Saturday most notably physically when we looked so poor clearing and defending set pieces which ultimately cost us and got out legged on midfield so often . I'd now play diouf up top with bojan behind him or affelay to get some more strength and legs in the team . Ultimately one of the galaticos can't olay unless affelay can play as one of two central midfielders. Huge loss as it's a massive game for both teams as the bottom of the table closes up and. We have two tough away games to follow always tougher when the games are close together to play away lose Saturday and we could be in squeaky territory by the 3rd of. Jan . The Liverpool and doncaster games game would then be a unwelcome meaningless distractions compared to our main goal , with season defining home games to Norwich and arsenal week of the 11th Look at me, quick look. Everyone look at me. 'unwelcome meaningless Cup semi final distractions'? I wasn't going to join the abuse queue... but really?
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