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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 5, 2016 13:21:07 GMT
Lads and lasses, I saw a photo on here yesterday of the cheating bastard peeping whilst he was on the ground holding his head... Can't seem to find it today, could anyone repost it please? I want to send it to a BongBong fan
This one?
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 5, 2016 13:27:42 GMT
Lads and lasses, I saw a photo on here yesterday of the cheating bastard peeping whilst he was on the ground holding his head... Can't seem to find it today, could anyone repost it please? I want to send it to a BongBong fan
This one?
Cheers Paul
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Post by desman2 on Jan 5, 2016 13:46:08 GMT
Very happy.. but a little bemused.. I think this just brings more ambiguity into the raising of the hands rule... (if there even is such a rule ) Does anyone know for sure what the actual wording is.? Didnt someone here say there is no such rule. Its the action of what you do as you could tap someone in the back.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jan 5, 2016 13:46:26 GMT
Gardner went for something similar a bit earlier in the game after a tangle of legs with Shawcross. Started to act as though he'd been kicked out at, realised that nobody was interested so got up and carried on.
It was a tactic that worked in the reverse fixture and it seems like they were giving it a good go again.
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Post by tuum on Jan 5, 2016 14:02:02 GMT
Wow! Genuinely and pleasantly surprised at this being overturned!!! Definitely couldn't see it myself being rescinded but very impressed at the decision. Disappointed in Pulis if he chooses not to make any comment on his player's behaviour.....poor judgement on his part IMO. Great to have the boost of Cameron available tonight!! Thought we might have seen a reduction as Affelay's was but didn't expect it to be completely successful! I think that is probably what most people expected.There seem to be a number of people on this board who think Cameron did no wrong and it was all the ref's fault for failing to spot in real time that Geoff only cuffed (pushed if you want)the base of the bloke's neck. The fact remains that if Geoff had kept his frustration in check and his hands down then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hughes should still fine him for being so unprofessional.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 5, 2016 14:54:16 GMT
Hasn't it been proved that it was the ref's fault though ? With the panel reviewing it and overturning the ref's decision. Like hughes said it's about consistency you can't let a spurs player do worse than what Geoff did on same weekend and only get a yellow for it now can you !!?
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 5, 2016 14:58:33 GMT
The interpretation for referee's to follow is: " Rule 12: Violent Conduct.A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against a team-mate, spectator, match official or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not."There doesn't appear to be any wording around simply raising a hand, I think this is a common misconception and I have no idea where this comes from, but maybe from our understanding of criminal law, whereby raising a hand can be seen as assault?... In this case I think the decision to rescind is right. Whilst Geoff's behaviour was unsporting (which is only a cautionable offence), it certainly wasn't violent or malicious. Yacob's behaviour after the incident is also a cautionable offence under Rule 12 ("attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)" and I think this will have added weight to our appeal Top work... that's very interesting... especially the "when not challenging for the ball" bit.. almost as though you can use violence when challenging (although I'm sure there is another rule that covers that). I always suspected the raising of hands was a misconception, but its one that is frequently used by pundits to justify a straight red. I think it comes from the phrase "strikes an opponent," which is covered in the foul play section of the rules, but there's certainly nothing explicit about raising your hands in the laws.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 5, 2016 15:14:08 GMT
If a player raises his arms towards an opponents head/neck and the opponent feigns injury the referee may make an error and book or send the player off. Better then not to raise your arms in this fashion as all the investigations after the match will not give us back the point/points we lost. The best thing that can come out of this incident is that our players learn the lesson and don't take the risk in future.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 5, 2016 15:22:53 GMT
Very happy.. but a little bemused.. I think this just brings more ambiguity into the raising of the hands rule... (if there even is such a rule ) Does anyone know for sure what the actual wording is.? The interpretation for referee's to follow is: " Rule 12: Violent Conduct.PoP A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against a team-mate, spectator, match official or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries, whether the ball is in play or not."There doesn't appear to be any wording around simply raising a hand, I think this is a common misconception and I have no idea where this comes from, but maybe from our understanding of criminal law, whereby raising a hand can be seen as assault?... In this case I think the decision to rescind is right. Whilst Geoff's behaviour was unsporting (which is only a cautionable offence), it certainly wasn't violent or malicious. Yacob's behaviour after the incident is also a cautionable offence under Rule 12 ("attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)" and I think this will have added weight to our appeal The appeal commission are not allowed to use the reaction of the offended party (Yackob) in the process. That is the official line anyway.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 5, 2016 15:28:31 GMT
If I ever get stuck in a fight, I hope it's with one of those pussies
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 5, 2016 16:32:52 GMT
If I ever get stuck in a fight, I hope it's with one of those pussies It's truly cringeworthy isn't it? Using words like "violent" and "aggressive" for what Geoff did My Mrs uses more violence and aggression brushing the flaky bits off my shoulders
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Post by j3st3r on Jan 5, 2016 16:57:52 GMT
Love the quote about how this decision could negatively impact youngsters watching the game....
How about condoning the lesson about play acting in order to get a player sent off...? What message exactly is that sending..?
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Post by milky on Jan 5, 2016 18:17:06 GMT
If a player raises his arms towards an opponents head/neck and the opponent feigns injury the referee may make an error and book or send the player off. Better then not to raise your arms in this fashion as all the investigations after the match will not give us back the point/points we lost. The best thing that can come out of this incident is that our players learn the lesson and don't take the risk in future. Or of course a referee should make absolute sure he has seen the incident clearly instead of second guessing and issuing red cards ?
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 5, 2016 18:41:15 GMT
If a player raises his arms towards an opponents head/neck and the opponent feigns injury the referee may make an error and book or send the player off. Better then not to raise your arms in this fashion as all the investigations after the match will not give us back the point/points we lost. The best thing that can come out of this incident is that our players learn the lesson and don't take the risk in future. If all ref's are instructed to use the same rules why wasn't the spurs player sent off that hughes was referring to in press conference ! Maybe if the ref hadn't seen it properly, which hughes seem to point out why the fuck did the ref send him off !!?? Consistency that's all hughes was asking for,if they are so quick to send our players off ,why not other teams players ?
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Post by milky on Jan 5, 2016 18:44:44 GMT
If a player raises his arms towards an opponents head/neck and the opponent feigns injury the referee may make an error and book or send the player off. Better then not to raise your arms in this fashion as all the investigations after the match will not give us back the point/points we lost. The best thing that can come out of this incident is that our players learn the lesson and don't take the risk in future. If all ref's are instructed to use the same rules why wasn't the spurs player sent off that hughes was referring to in press conference ! Maybe if the ref hadn't seen it properly, which hughes seem to point out why the fuck did the ref send him off !!?? Consistency that's all hughes was asking for,if they are so quick to send our players off ,why not other teams players ? Good post ! There certainly seems to be a different set of rules for Wayne Rooney. Maybe geoff would like to give his views on that one ?
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 5, 2016 18:52:37 GMT
I've certainlyly got nothing against stoke players getting punished for bad tackles and reacting to bit of edgy play, just as long as it's fair and and across the board. Had few arguments when shawcross's got sent off for holding in box,I agreed with it, but you just knew that next time some other player did it that would they fook get punished in the same way !!
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 5, 2016 19:04:46 GMT
You cannot trust opponents not to cheat and officials to make the right calls so don't raise your arms. Perhaps milky and colin can explain why Geoff raised his arms? It's possible the dismissals against West Brom have cost us 6 points, had we got those points we would now be 5th.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 5, 2016 19:13:24 GMT
Maybe if the ref had dealt with the player that fouled Geoff in the 1st 10 - 15 minutes ,Jacob wouldn't have gone in snidey on Geoff to further injure him more.or is barging in and trying to stamp on a players foot ok in your ref's book ? If the ref had done his job properly on the day,which everyone now knows was to not send Geoff off this thread wouldn't be here ! What's your verdict on the ref in the other game,where a player was flicked in the face and was only given a yellow then ? Who's fault was that ?
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 5, 2016 19:24:25 GMT
There are around 17 PL refs colin and all of them make mistakes, also you will never get consistency because many decisions are subjective. The sendings off in the games against West Brom could all have been avoided with better individual discipline.
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Post by milky on Jan 5, 2016 19:30:47 GMT
You cannot trust opponents not to cheat and officials to make the right calls so don't raise your arms. Perhaps milky and colin can explain why Geoff raised his arms? It's possible the dismissals against West Brom have cost us 6 points, had we got those points we would now be 5th. You're missing the point geoff. In a perfect world of course they wouldn't but I'd prefer referees to leave 22 players on the pitch if there is the slightest doubt.Too many games are being spoiled due to soft red cards with ref's hiding behind the "letter of the law "bollocks. When it suits them. So why do you think Rooney gets away with what he does week in week out ?
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 5, 2016 19:35:44 GMT
I agree milky that too many players are being sent off and that Geoff shouldn't have been one of them. If Rooney is raising his arms to opponents and getting away with it then I have no idea why that is.
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Post by milky on Jan 5, 2016 19:47:28 GMT
I agree milky that too many players are being sent off and that Geoff shouldn't have been one of them. If Rooney is raising his arms to opponents and getting away with it then I have no idea why that is. He nearly snapped some ones leg in half last week geoff and our friend Mr M Atkinson only deemed it worthy of a yellow. The again maybe it's not in the best interests of the FA for big name internationals to be sitting out suspensions.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 5, 2016 20:39:30 GMT
Should have stayed banned on tonight's performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 20:44:39 GMT
In favor of?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 5, 2016 20:48:20 GMT
Adam, Walters, anyone with a bit of gumption.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 20:50:14 GMT
Cameron looked one of the only players willing to put his foot through the ball on defense. Johnson and Pieters both lost the ball in possession at least twice and Pieters, Wolly and Shawcross got smoked for the goal. Not sure where you're looking for gumption as I've seen Cameron making a few key stops and clearances tonight, unlike most of the defense excluding for a period Wolly and Shawcross.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 21:05:13 GMT
Well suppose I was wrong then! Walters on for Cameron and Affelay dropping. We'll see what happens. Hoping for a great 2nd half.
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Post by lordb on Jan 5, 2016 22:55:19 GMT
He was really poor tonight
Not the only one but that's back to back really poor performances from him.
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Post by ursems2boots on Jan 5, 2016 23:10:25 GMT
I always think you know after about 10 minutes if Geoff is going to be on his game in midfield or not, he's either brilliant or awful...the first half performance reminded me of Tony Henry in his prime and his cloak of invisibility...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 5, 2016 23:52:43 GMT
He was shocking (not the only one, in fact there was 9 more that started that were poor but Cameron was stand out bad).
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