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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 4, 2016 18:50:44 GMT
Isn't that like asking Harold Shipman to advise the BMA on dodgy doctors!!? How could a dead former ref give any guidance? Can't be any worse than the current lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:51:28 GMT
Simple what should happen now in situations like this:
a) take two points off WBA (or any advantage gained after the red card) b) Fine the manager c) Fine the player d) ban the player
Guaranteed if that happened diving and cheating would be eradicated in weeks.
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Post by milky on Jan 4, 2016 18:54:24 GMT
As he was constantly banging the drum about lengthy bans for "simulation "I'm not expecting to see Yacob picked again until Easter. Pulis has taken a massive drop in my estimations. He's proving himself to be not only bit of a tosser, but also a stinking hypocrite. Still, it's done now so hopefully we can bounce back tomorrow and get a good result. Exactly. He has been presented with the perfect opportunity to prove he has at least a bit of sincerity. If he does nothing he is a cunt. Hopefully the rescinded card will help us tomorrow in a wounded animal in the face of injustice kind of way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:55:13 GMT
Totally amazed. They could have and usually do hide behind the 'rules'. Must be down to our rise to super club status. You think the "Very Public" analysis done by Dermot Gallagher on Sky Sports is having an effect on them? Just needs to be done "In Game" now so we get a fair decision when it's most needed.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 4, 2016 18:56:22 GMT
Wow didn't see that coming, I suppose the board thought it should be just a yellow and the guy made way too much of it. Like OS says flabbergasted.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 4, 2016 18:58:31 GMT
I'm both flabbergasted and furious. Flabbergasted that they've overturned the red (because Stoke never get that sort of treatment as a rule), and furious that we probably lost a game because of a cheat. The two sendings off in the last game were a complete overreaction, and this one was even worse. Pulis used have a reputation as a manager whose players were hard but fair. But that's gone up the spout now. And if anybody thinks his players dropped like swatted flies without a 'quiet word in their ears', then they must be naive. Once I can give him the benefit of the doubt; twice might be in the balance, but three times in two games shouts Occam's Razor, where the simple explanation is usually the most reliable, which is that he chose to beat Stoke no matter how he did it. There's an old saying, "Beware a woman scorned". In Pulis's case this can be converted to "Beware a manager sacked." OS. Still think OS we went with the wrong team that day, should have been much more up and at them. IE Fight fire with fire. It's getting annoying now that we can't leave a TP game without some points and 11 players.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2016 18:59:32 GMT
Totally amazed. They could have and usually do hide behind the 'rules'. Must be down to our rise to super club status. You think the "Very Public" analysis done by Dermot Gallagher on Sky Sports is having an effect on them? Just needs to be done "In Game" now so we get a fair decision when it's most needed. Hasn't Gallagher called it a correct decision on Sky?
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 4, 2016 19:03:50 GMT
Pulis has taken a massive drop in my estimations. He's proving himself to be not only bit of a tosser, but also a stinking hypocrite. Still, it's done now so hopefully we can bounce back tomorrow and get a good result. Exactly. He has been presented with the perfect opportunity to prove he has at least a bit of sincerity. If he does nothing he is a cunt. Hopefully the rescinded card will help us tomorrow in a wounded animal in the face of injustice kind of way. Seriously though, Milky. I used to be in the 'pro Pulis' brigade and he could do no wrong. But ever since his touch line antics at the Brit where he clearly wanted a Stoke player sent off, and more recently where it became clear he has sent players out with a free reign to cheat in order to gain a numeric advantage on the pitch AGAIN, I've arrived at the conclusion that he's nought more than an utter arsehole. It's very, very disappointing indeed.
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Post by milky on Jan 4, 2016 19:09:36 GMT
Exactly. He has been presented with the perfect opportunity to prove he has at least a bit of sincerity. If he does nothing he is a cunt. Hopefully the rescinded card will help us tomorrow in a wounded animal in the face of injustice kind of way. Seriously though, Milky. I used to be in the 'pro Pulis' brigade and he could do no wrong. But ever since his touch line antics at the Brit where he clearly wanted a Stoke player sent off, and more recently where it became clear he has sent players out with a free reign to cheat in order to gain a numeric advantage on the pitch AGAIN, I've arrived at the conclusion that he's nought more than an utter arsehole. It's very, very disappointing indeed. I could just about tolerate his antics if he hadn't appointed himself the patron saint of honesty and virtue. If he does or says nowt in the next 48 hours even his biggest fans on here can't defend him surely ? I was a fan too.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jan 4, 2016 19:10:46 GMT
Great news justice has been done common sense prevails. Just a pity lee Masons actions cost us a point. Great News with the Liverpool Semi Final coming up tomorrow. Strongest side available again Come on Stoke
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 4, 2016 19:11:43 GMT
good news but cost us points, shouldn't Yacob get punished for play acting CHEATING B stard we will never stop the cheating if they don't punish the cheats. Mason should also be banned from Refereeing for 3 games. Agree about Yacob, but it won't happen, FA have really missed an opportunity here to put down a marker. As for Mason, whilst he was a bit "trigger happy" we have to remember that it was the actions of the cheating Yacob that made him feel a red was the right decision. Yet the FA chose to say "an obvious error was made" rather than say "a player cheated and misled the officials" making their difficult job even harder...
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jan 4, 2016 19:17:08 GMT
You have got it spot on mate . Couldnt see it happening but great idea though
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 4, 2016 19:18:08 GMT
Good news , you really don't know what your going to get with these people they make the most bizarre decisions it makes your head spin !
I'm obliged to believe that they've stumbled across the right answer in this case !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 19:19:43 GMT
good news but cost us points, shouldn't Yacob get punished for play acting CHEATING B stard we will never stop the cheating if they don't punish the cheats. Mason should also be banned from Refereeing for 3 games. Agree about Yacob, but it won't happen, FA have really missed an opportunity here to put down a marker. As for Mason, whilst he was a bit "trigger happy" we have to remember that it was the actions of the cheating Yacob that made him feel a red was the right decision. Yet the FA chose to say "an obvious error was made" rather than say "a player cheated and misled the officials" making their difficult job even harder... Couldn't have put it any better. Great news, but a cop out by the FA.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 19:26:18 GMT
There are three people involved in this incident, Yacob, Mason and Cameron, the incident has nothing to do with Tony Pulis. The lesson to be learnt here from a Stoke City point of view is that players should not raise their arms and therefore give the referee a decision to make.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 4, 2016 19:31:00 GMT
There are three people involved in this incident, Yacob, Mason and Cameron, the incident has nothing to do with Tony Pulis. The lesson to be learnt here from a Stoke City point of view is that players should not raise their arms and therefore give the referee a decision to make. "It's a disease. It's one we're almost rid of but if people do it, they've got to be reminded it's not right" Tony Pulis. March 2014 If he truly is a man of his word he will both fine and suspend Yacob himself.
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Post by stokie25 on Jan 4, 2016 19:31:25 GMT
There are three people involved in this incident, Yacob, Mason and Cameron, the incident has nothing to do with Tony Pulis. The lesson to be learnt here from a Stoke City point of view is that players should not raise their arms and therefore give the referee a decision to make. Ridiculous! If you believe that I have many short stories I could tell you. The red was incredibly harsh and admittedly, I'm amazed that it has been rescinded, but only because it's us and not because it wasn't the right judgment call by an independent panel! About time!
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Post by LDE76 on Jan 4, 2016 19:32:46 GMT
I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, I'm: On the other, I'm:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 19:36:00 GMT
There are three people involved in this incident, Yacob, Mason and Cameron, the incident has nothing to do with Tony Pulis. The lesson to be learnt here from a Stoke City point of view is that players should not raise their arms and therefore give the referee a decision to make. No You have misunderstood. The lesson to be learned is that gently shoving someone is still not a red card offence. Read the news report for fucks sake.An 'obvious mistake' has been identified by the board hearing the appeal. What we have learned this season is pulis and his team are cheats and he is a hypocrite
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 19:37:40 GMT
There are three people involved in this incident, Yacob, Mason and Cameron, the incident has nothing to do with Tony Pulis. The lesson to be learnt here from a Stoke City point of view is that players should not raise their arms and therefore give the referee a decision to make. And the lesson to be learnt from a Pulis point of view is that if he doesn't condemn Yacob or fine him then he is a massive hypocrite who can never gob off ever again about diving and cheating.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 19:41:35 GMT
What happens to Yacob is down to the F.A. and West Brom, Stoke cannot influence that. Geoff Cameron should not have been sent off but as I have said before players need to keep their arms down otherwise these bookings or sending off decisions could happen again and cost us another game.
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Post by liamo on Jan 4, 2016 19:45:04 GMT
I don't know why people act like Pulis is an anti-cheat, he spent years here bending and pushing the rules as far as he could to get an advantage, is it really that far fetched to believe that he singles opposition players out that are prone to react before each game? Tone is all about the numbers and tipping the scales in his favour as much as possible, never ever concede a goal, try to gain a man advantage and win all set-pieces in and around the box and keep it binary
I'm grateful that he kept us up and made us stable but let's not pretend we didn't push it, it's only now we were on the receiving end do we know what it must have been like
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 19:48:41 GMT
Come off it Sid, Tony Pulis has not told Yacob to dive or feign injury.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2016 19:48:59 GMT
That used to be the system but it isn't anymore. When an appeal is lodged the match ref. is not involved at all in the proceedings. The commission looks at the refs. written report on why the player was dismissed, which is produced after the game for all dismissals; it looks at the submitted written grounds of appeal and, most crucially, at the video evidence which can be from various camera angles, and is watched in slomo as many times as the Commission feels it needs to watch it to reach a decision. The commission first hears from a former ref. who reminds the commission of exactly what the relevant law of the game and the guidance on how to interpret it say, and answers any questions on that from Commission members. Once that is complete, the former ref takes no part in the decision. Despite what is sometimes said on this Board and elsewhere, in my experience it is a fair and thorough procedure. Isn't that like asking Harold Shipman to advise the BMA on dodgy doctors!!? Not at all, clayton. We are not talking about a disgraced former ref.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2016 19:51:39 GMT
good news but cost us points, shouldn't Yacob get punished for play acting CHEATING B stard we will never stop the cheating if they don't punish the cheats. Mason should also be banned from Refereeing for 3 games. Agree about Yacob, but it won't happen, FA have really missed an opportunity here to put down a marker. As for Mason, whilst he was a bit "trigger happy" we have to remember that it was the actions of the cheating Yacob that made him feel a red was the right decision. Yet the FA chose to say "an obvious error was made" rather than say "a player cheated and misled the officials" making their difficult job even harder... That's just the phrase which is used in the regulations. The commission has to decide whether the referee made an "obvious error".
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Post by PB1863 on Jan 4, 2016 19:57:26 GMT
Just finished reading TC's book. He couldn't have been more complimentary about TP on and off the field. He seems like a top bloke who cares about many parts of running a football club and TC is very clear that without PC and TP we wouldn't be where we are. Emotions are obviously high at the moment but let's not judge him on 2 games this season. Shit happens. Affaley & Cameron lifted their hands when they shouldn't have. Neither were sendings off and in both cases the opposing player got them sent off. The ref has little time to think and made the wrong call. Yacob and Gardener know they did the wrong thing but what action can now be taken against them?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2016 20:02:04 GMT
That used to be the system but it isn't anymore. When an appeal is lodged the match ref. is not involved at all in the proceedings. The commission looks at the refs. written report on why the player was dismissed, which is produced after the game for all dismissals; it looks at the submitted written grounds of appeal and, most crucially, at the video evidence which can be from various camera angles, and is watched in slomo as many times as the Commission feels it needs to watch it to reach a decision. The commission first hears from a former ref. who reminds the commission of exactly what the relevant law of the game and the guidance on how to interpret it say, and answers any questions on that from Commission members. Once that is complete, the former ref takes no part in the decision. Despite what is sometimes said on this Board and elsewhere, in my experience it is a fair and thorough procedure. Malcolm do you know what the actual process is for the punishment to be awarded to the player who exaggerates/feigns injury as per your post earlier? Do Stoke City have to appeal any further to get the process moving? Cheers I'm sure stoke city wouldn't have to do anything, Paul. The commission will have had to decide whether any feigning/exaggeration was a factor in the referees decision. I'm not sure exactly what the procedure is if they decide that it was. Not been involved in one of those. Of course they may have decided that it wasn't and none of us have had the benefit of seeing the referee's report, which the Commission will have read.
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Post by woodin43 on Jan 4, 2016 20:02:34 GMT
Great, its the right decision. Lets hope Cameron learns something from it. I'd still drop him to the bench as a punishment.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 4, 2016 20:04:17 GMT
Great, its the right decision. Lets hope Cameron learns something from it. I'd still drop him to the bench as a punishment. Ok yeah, that'll help us.
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Post by woodin43 on Jan 4, 2016 20:06:54 GMT
Players need to learn from stupid outbursts like this, otherwise it could cost us more games.
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