|
Post by Kjones9 on Jan 4, 2016 20:07:49 GMT
Players need to learn from stupid outbursts like this, otherwise it could cost us more games. Players aren't robots. You don't know what happened beforehand.
|
|
|
Post by woodin43 on Jan 4, 2016 20:09:20 GMT
Players know that you raise a hand to an opponent the chances are you will get sent off.
|
|
|
Post by Kjones9 on Jan 4, 2016 20:09:59 GMT
Players know that you raise a hand to an opponent the chances are you will get sent off. Obviously unjustly.
|
|
|
Post by woodin43 on Jan 4, 2016 20:13:00 GMT
I completely agree. The sight of that player sneaking a peak through his hands made my blood boil. I just hope Cameron has learned from it as did Affelay in the home game.
|
|
|
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2016 20:16:55 GMT
Good news , you really don't know what your going to get with these people they make the most bizarre decisions it makes your head spin ! I'm obliged to believe that they've stumbled across the right answer in this case ! I don't think that's fair. In fact, as someone who sits on FA commissions (although obviously never a Stoke City case) I know it isn't. It is a thorough and fair process. As with any judicial type system involving an element of human judgement, there are sometimes marginal cases and sometimes the Commission is split 2-1, but that doesn't mean the decisions are arbitrary or bizarre. Sometimes those who disagree with decisions are actually disagreeing with the guidance on how the laws of the game must be interpreted, some of which comes down from FIFA, rather than the Commission's decision on the incident in question, although they often don't realise that.
|
|
|
Post by ukcstokie on Jan 4, 2016 20:31:47 GMT
There is a law to allow them to clamp down already: This would be a perfect opportunity for the FA to send out a message - and they wouldn't even need to tread on the toes of one of their favoured clubs too. If the FA aren't going act on this in this instance, you would have to ask why have they even introduced the rule in the first place? Totally agree. Their judgement implies it was an obvious mistake. As the ref was looking at the incident the reason for the obvious mistake must have been the actions of Yacob. This must be a almost the perfect case where this could be applied (especially since it wouldn't mean challenging Man U, Chelsea, Citeh, Arse)
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 20:45:01 GMT
Come off it Sid, Tony Pulis has not told Yacob to dive or feign injury. No he hasn't. But that's not what I said is it? He has spent the last 8 years condemning that kind of play acting and cheating so let's see if he condemns it this week. He might just do that but if he doesn't then he is a hypocritical prick in my book,if fact scrap that because he's already proved to be as such earlier in the season.
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 20:55:28 GMT
I'm not especially interested Sid in West Brom, what I am interested in is keeping Stoke City players on the pitch for the entire game and that should be in our own hands. Does Tony Pulis encourage his players too cheat, I don't think I saw evidence of it when he was our manager, if you did I guess your posts on here would confirm that.
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2016 20:59:13 GMT
I'm not especially interested Sid in West Brom, what I am interested in is keeping Stoke City players on the pitch for the entire game and that should be in our own hands. Does Tony Pulis encourage his players too cheat, I don't think I saw evidence of it when he was our manager, if you did I guess your posts on here would confirm that. I can't believe its taken 15 pages for you to add your neutral view of things!
|
|
|
Post by whydelilah on Jan 4, 2016 21:09:33 GMT
Come off it Sid, Tony Pulis has not told Yacob to dive or feign injury. It's irrelevant if he told him to do it or not. Given his comments in the past about dishonest play, he should now come out and condemn his player for his despicable "acting".
|
|
|
Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 4, 2016 21:10:42 GMT
If the FA aren't going act on this in this instance, you would have to ask why have they even introduced the rule in the first place? Totally agree. Their judgement implies it was an obvious mistake. As the ref was looking at the incident the reason for the obvious mistake must have been the actions of Yacob. This must be a almost the perfect case where this could be applied (especially since it wouldn't mean challenging Man U, Chelsea, Citeh, Arse) It’s also important to note that, while it’s not directly mentioned in the documentation, it’s widely reported that the Commission doesn’t take other players’ reactions into account when making their decision. So, if I take a swing at another player and miss, the fact that the other player dives and draws the card does not affect the Commission’s decision. They’re only concerned with whether I intended to hit him. That’s the basics of how the Wrongful Dismissal Claims process works. Next, we’ll talk about the two most important features of the process: the Commission’s role in the decision, and the concept of “obvious error.” playtheadvantage.com/2014/02/06/what-a-red-card-appeal-really-means-part-one/
|
|
|
Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 4, 2016 21:39:56 GMT
I'm not especially interested Sid in West Brom, what I am interested in is keeping Stoke City players on the pitch for the entire game and that should be in our own hands. Does Tony Pulis encourage his players too cheat, I don't think I saw evidence of it when he was our manager, if you did I guess your posts on here would confirm that. I can't believe its taken 15 pages for you to add your neutral view of things! Equally surprising is that his last two significant contributions were to discuss the home game against West Brom and to suggest Mark Hughes could get the sack for a poor start to the season. He talks about Hughes inheriting a side that should finish at least tenth in the league like Tone stated Boskamp should have pushed for promotion with the handful of players he was left after Tone's first sacking. It's like having our very own Tone as a member of the message board!
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 21:40:35 GMT
Tony Pulis might come out and condemn Yacob WD but I don't think that would be good management, better to do it in private.
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 21:44:29 GMT
I am MW a massive fan of Mark Hughes, always have been,my only question mark about him was some of his transfer dealings at City and QPR.
|
|
|
Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 4, 2016 21:45:27 GMT
Tony Pulis might come out and condemn Yacob WD but I don't think that would be good management, better to do it in private. I've set up a thread entitled Everything Pulis where you can share the Pulis view of the World with us, Geoff.
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Jan 4, 2016 21:52:02 GMT
Tony Pulis might come out and condemn Yacob WD but I don't think that would be good management, better to do it in private. No it isn't. Whilst appreciating the privacy thing you sometimes have to speak publicly. Also Pulis has been so outspoken on this failing to stand up and be counted damages his credibility.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 21:56:13 GMT
I'm not especially interested Sid in West Brom, what I am interested in is keeping Stoke City players on the pitch for the entire game and that should be in our own hands. Does Tony Pulis encourage his players too cheat, I don't think I saw evidence of it when he was our manager, if you did I guess your posts on here would confirm that. I think you're totally missing my point Geoff,I haven't once inferred that Pulis does send his teams out to cheat or that he would have instructed Gardner and Yacob to con the ref as they both have this season. It just smacks of hypocrisy that's all for him to suddenly go quiet on the diving and play acting subject now his players are at it. On the subject of our players I agree with you that they have to keep their heads and not raise their hands,but both Cameron and Affelay didn't deserve to get red cards in my opinion and if it wasn't for their opponents play acting I reckon the referees decisions would have been totally different.
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 4, 2016 21:56:20 GMT
Now our appeal has been successful and the 3 match ban has been overturned.. Can Yacob not be given a ban for being a lying cheating bastard?
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Jan 4, 2016 22:01:00 GMT
I am MW a massive fan of Mark Hughes, always have been,my only question mark about him was some of his transfer dealings at City and QPR. You have query how much control he had over signings and terms and conditions. There are number of rumours.
|
|
|
Post by dudnostokie on Jan 4, 2016 22:01:36 GMT
Now our appeal has been successful and the 3 match ban has been overturned.. Can Yacob not be given a ban for being a lying cheating bastard? With his card being overturned, will any disciplinary action be taken by the referee's association? Or is it more of a slap on the wrist and forget about it?
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 4, 2016 22:04:50 GMT
Slap on the wrist I would imagine although clearly Geoff was sinned against rather than sinner ( unlike some Stokies on here seem to think). I would love to see Yacob punished. But I doubt it.
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 22:06:39 GMT
As usual Sid I don't think we are that far apart in our views. Players often do stupid things in a game, sometimes in the heat of the moment, sometimes in a calculated manner to gain an unfair advantage. You are right Pulis has been a fiece critic of cheating and perhaps as you and Joe say he should come out and condemn it but managers don't tend to do that for fairly obvious reasons, it doesn't mean he condones it.
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 22:19:11 GMT
Good evening Mark and Happy New Year.
If you study my posts you will note that I defend/ defended Pulis on his record at Stoke and tonight against claims that he is an hypocrite. You will also note I have backed Mark Hughes from the moment his appointment was announced. My interest in Tony Pulis has now diminshed as he is now the manager of an opposition team, whereas your interest in him never seems too flag.
From what I have seen on television Stoke are now playing some of their best football since the Waddington days, I take you will agree with me when I say let it continue under one of our best managers ever.
|
|
|
Post by capto on Jan 4, 2016 22:21:45 GMT
If pulis is clamping down on his players play acting, why has his teams done it to us twice this season? Our players are not stupid, hopefully, they should know what to expect, they should be briefed, and need to do a 'Bournemouth' on them - ie we need to make it clear to the ref that we are being kicked ?
|
|
|
Post by Scrotnig on Jan 4, 2016 22:24:00 GMT
Justice has been done, on our side at least. Yes we arguably lost a point but it's just the way the game goes...we have gained lucky points several times this season.
Be nice to see cheats pursued but realistically that will never happen. Pulis will not say anything, I am always a big supporter of what Tony did for our club but his recent behaviour has been questionable at least. Perhaps he's moved on with his methods as well as his job. Best to just smile sweetly and not let him get us wound up.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 22:25:04 GMT
As usual Sid I don't think we are that far apart in our views. Players often do stupid things in a game, sometimes in the heat of the moment, sometimes in a calculated manner to gain an unfair advantage. You are right Pulis has been a fiece critic of cheating and perhaps as you and Joe say he should come out and condemn it but managers don't tend to do that for fairly obvious reasons, it doesn't mean he condones it. The heat of the moment things I can cope with,especially when they are as trivial as ours have been. Yes they shouldn't do it but as someone else has already stated on this thread,players aren't robots so these things happen. As for the calculated acts,they are the worst for me. Just as players are banned for reckless challenges,players need banning for blatant play acting like what Yacob did on Saturday.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2016 22:27:12 GMT
The ex-manager will let this one roll as it was against us and he'd do anything to turn us over to prove some fucked up point in his own tiny mind. When they do it against someone else the hypocritical toe rag will come out and have a pop at his players.
The bloke is an A1 shite house.
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2016 22:31:59 GMT
Football is like politics Pugs, if you want to survive and win you almost certainly have to be an A1 shite house, as you call it.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2016 22:34:35 GMT
Football is like politics Pugs, if you want to survive and win you almost certainly have to be an A1 shite house, as you call it. Well that's alright then, so let's hear less of the butter wouldn't melt in his mouth rhetoric.
|
|
|
Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jan 4, 2016 22:51:44 GMT
Not only is Pulis an A1 shit he has more faces than Big Ben. If he had an ounce of respect to himself he would punish Jacob and tell the world. Will it happen? Wll it fuk. Once a cunt always a cunt.
|
|