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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Jan 4, 2016 18:06:32 GMT
. Geoff Camerons red card overturned. Remember Jacob for next year ...cheating git....The ref though couldn.t wait to give it
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 4, 2016 18:08:35 GMT
It was stupid, especially with a knobhead like Yacob there was no need for Geoff to even get involved especially given what had gone before in the season. That said if the ref has seen it again and said he would have changed his decision (which I believe is the procedure) then it just highlights the fact the FA need to clamp down on play acting and introduce a referral system of some sort in game, similar to that of cricket. Like 1 every game. That used to be the system but it isn't anymore. When an appeal is lodged the match ref. is not involved at all in the proceedings. The commission looks at the refs. written report on why the player was dismissed, which is produced after the game for all dismissals; it looks at the submitted written grounds of appeal and, most crucially, at the video evidence which can be from various camera angles, and is watched in slomo as many times as the Commission feels it needs to watch it to reach a decision. The commission first hears from a former ref. who reminds the commission of exactly what the relevant law of the game and the guidance on how to interpret it say, and answers any questions on that from Commission members. Once that is complete, the former ref takes no part in the decision. Despite what is sometimes said on this Board and elsewhere, in my experience it is a fair and thorough procedure. Isn't that like asking Harold Shipman to advise the BMA on dodgy doctors!!?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2016 18:09:09 GMT
It was stupid, especially with a knobhead like Yacob there was no need for Geoff to even get involved especially given what had gone before in the season. That said if the ref has seen it again and said he would have changed his decision (which I believe is the procedure) then it just highlights the fact the FA need to clamp down on play acting and introduce a referral system of some sort in game, similar to that of cricket. Like 1 every game. That used to be the system but it isn't anymore. When an appeal is lodged the match ref. is not involved at all in the proceedings. The commission looks at the refs. written report on why the player was dismissed, which is produced after the game for all dismissals; it looks at the submitted written grounds of appeal and, most crucially, at the video evidence which can be from various camera angles, and is watched in slomo as many times as the Commission feels it needs to watch it to reach a decision. The commission first hears from a former ref. who reminds the commission of exactly what the relevant law of the game and the guidance on how to interpret it say, and answers any questions on that from Commission members. Once that is complete, the former ref takes no part in the decision. Despite what is sometimes said on this Board and elsewhere, in my experience it is a fair and thorough procedure. Malcolm do you know what the actual process is for the punishment to be awarded to the player who exaggerates/feigns injury as per your post earlier? Do Stoke City have to appeal any further to get the process moving? Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:10:21 GMT
That used to be the system but it isn't anymore. When an appeal is lodged the match ref. is not involved at all in the proceedings. The commission looks at the refs. written report on why the player was dismissed, which is produced after the game for all dismissals; it looks at the submitted written grounds of appeal and, most crucially, at the video evidence which can be from various camera angles, and is watched in slomo as many times as the Commission feels it needs to watch it to reach a decision. The commission first hears from a former ref. who reminds the commission of exactly what the relevant law of the game and the guidance on how to interpret it say, and answers any questions on that from Commission members. Once that is complete, the former ref takes no part in the decision. Despite what is sometimes said on this Board and elsewhere, in my experience it is a fair and thorough procedure. Isn't that like asking Harold Shipman to advise the BMA on dodgy doctors!!? How could a dead former ref give any guidance?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 4, 2016 18:11:23 GMT
I'm glad he's back.
But it's so disappointing that cheating has cost is what should have been a well earned point, discounting the fact we could have gone on to take all 3.
Tony Pulis - Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. I hope a journalist asks him about this at his next press conference.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 4, 2016 18:14:27 GMT
Cards marked for mason and that twat yacob.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:16:26 GMT
Superb news,didn't expect that. Stongest team again tomorrow Mr Hughes
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2016 18:17:01 GMT
. Geoff Camerons red card overturned. Remember Jacob for next year ...cheating git....The ref though couldn.t wait to give it though You're lying. Luminaries on here said there was no way it would be rescinded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:23:46 GMT
Amazed by that news. The FA really are a law unto themselves - nothing suggested that appeal would be successful. Nice to be on the right end of it for a change! Yes I wasn't expecting that, but, keep your hands to yourself in future boys It was never a red in a million years so I don't know why anyone would be surprised. Once again we have been conned out of a point, possibly 3. wba should face action in relation to the terrible conduct of their players throughout the game. The referee was a disgrace. From the first fucking minute he made it clear that wba could run through the back of our skilful players without free kicks being conceded. Wba cheated and looked for free kicks from every long ball knock down, all fucking day long that prick referee was falling over himself to give them one soft free kick after another. It destroyed the game and gave pulis everything he wanted.the ref decided before the game he'd give us fuck all. Look at the stats. We played against a fucking tony pulis team, their players were throwing thenselves into tackles and were very often late, and yet we conceded twice as many fouls. It was the most biased ref performance I've seen for a while. The panel have confirmed it was an 'obvious mistake' in sending geoff off? He knewexactly what he was doing in his quest to award three points to west brom. They are all cheating cunts and I'd like to hear what Tony pulis thinks, then we can decide whether he is a complete hypocrite
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 4, 2016 18:25:09 GMT
I'm both flabbergasted and furious. Flabbergasted that they've overturned the red (because Stoke never get that sort of treatment as a rule), and furious that we probably lost a game because of a cheat. The two sendings off in the last game were a complete overreaction, and this one was even worse. Pulis used have a reputation as a manager whose players were hard but fair. But that's gone up the spout now. And if anybody thinks his players dropped like swatted flies without a 'quiet word in their ears', then they must be naive. Once I can give him the benefit of the doubt; twice might be in the balance, but three times in two games shouts Occam's Razor, where the simple explanation is usually the most reliable, which is that he chose to beat Stoke no matter how he did it.
There's an old saying, "Beware a woman scorned". In Pulis's case this can be converted to "Beware a manager sacked."
OS.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Jan 4, 2016 18:25:38 GMT
That decision though cost us a point at least and came just as we had momentum and were about to pile more pressure on them ...jacob should be banned and Mason too ...both for 3 games...make them think before they do it again... I was there at the match but like every other when we lose the weekend ends and i have a media blackout including newspapers and motd...silly i know
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Post by pipesurgeon on Jan 4, 2016 18:26:21 GMT
good news but cost us points, shouldn't Yacob get punished for play acting CHEATING B stard we will never stop the cheating if they don't punish the cheats. Mason should also be banned from Refereeing for 3 games.
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Post by milky on Jan 4, 2016 18:27:33 GMT
Excellent news.
And what an opportunity for Pulis to now prove he isn't an hypocritical scumbag.
Over to you Tone...
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 4, 2016 18:28:14 GMT
Good to see common sense prevailing.
In situations like this you can only hope the referee learns and that in the future they band together and target Yacob, book him for every foul, let things go against him and generally show him a general lack of respect.
(I'm not bitter about the situation or anything like that)
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Post by march4 on Jan 4, 2016 18:28:31 GMT
Excellent.
I didn't think there was a chance in Hell it would be overturned.
What do the FA plan to do with Yacob??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:33:20 GMT
He will now hang his head is shame because he has been publicly found out. I hope his fellow professionals treat him like something on the bottom of their shoes. He is a disgrace to the Premier league. Pulis should come out and fine him, but he won't.
I think it cost us a point, but in the great scheme of things that last minute penalty at Everton (which was very very debatable) gained us two points. Arnie didn't roll over, and there was barely an appeal. So overall we must just take the rough with the smooth, but don't forget Jacob. And if he plays for them (or Dawson) they should be booed at every touch next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:36:26 GMT
Amazed by this. Respect to all concerned. Definitely cost us a point. Yacob will not be forgotten. Wonder what Pulis will cone out with. He should fine the tosser at least!
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2016 18:37:38 GMT
Totally amazed. They could have and usually do hide behind the 'rules'. Must be down to our rise to super club status.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:37:54 GMT
Amazed by this. Respect to all concerned. Definitely cost us a point. Yacob will not be forgotten. Wonder what Pulis will cone out with. He should fine the tosser at least! Nahhh, it was triffic play-acting, all part of the game Nige
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 4, 2016 18:39:14 GMT
Great news. That was NEVER a red card of fence. Pulis & his band of cheating pigs have their 3 points however, so the damage is done. Glad we'll be at full strength tomorrow though.
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 4, 2016 18:41:24 GMT
Excellent news. And what an opportunity for Pulis to now prove he isn't an hypocritical scumbag. Over to you Tone... An apology from all concerned, would be nice but will never happen.
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Post by Gods on Jan 4, 2016 18:41:43 GMT
Good to see common sense prevailing. In situations like this you can only hope the referee learns and that in the future they band together and target Yacob, book him for every foul, let things go against him and generally show him a general lack of respect. (I'm not bitter about the situation or anything like that) I am too. I know they say 'forgive and forget' but I always prefer to hold a grudge
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Post by gonk on Jan 4, 2016 18:42:22 GMT
Excellent. I didn't think there was a chance in Hell it would be overturned. What do the FA plan to do with Yacob?? Perhaps fine him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:43:26 GMT
Just posted on the other thread about this but why on earth we had people on here thinking it was a red lord knows. Now I await to see what happens to pulis' team of cheating bastards and that biased prick of a ref
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Post by milky on Jan 4, 2016 18:44:33 GMT
Excellent news. And what an opportunity for Pulis to now prove he isn't an hypocritical scumbag. Over to you Tone... An apology from all concerned, would be nice but will never happen. As he was constantly banging the drum about lengthy bans for "simulation "I'm not expecting to see Yacob picked again until Easter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:46:11 GMT
Shocking decision in the first place to send him off (with no help from the assistants I hasten to add).
As already been said, common sense has prevailed thanks to the F A, albeit at our cost for at least a point in the game. Big holes left in the centre midfield after Geoff had been sent off allowing them the extra space to pile the pressure on that led to the winning goal. Sour grapes it may sound like, but I'm sure we would have been a lot more comfortable finishing the game 11 v 11.
Not to worry, all over now. Looking forward to the game tomorrow where I hope our lads will put everything right.
U T M P!
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Post by milky on Jan 4, 2016 18:46:43 GMT
Excellent. I didn't think there was a chance in Hell it would be overturned. What do the FA plan to do with Yacob?? Hopefully order him to call in The Harvester for a beer tomorrow at about 19.00
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Post by telfordstokie65 on Jan 4, 2016 18:49:15 GMT
Is it coincidence that our reputation is changing in the media and a decision goes our way for once ? If it was Charlie doing the same thing would it have been rescinded - I think not !
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Jan 4, 2016 18:50:04 GMT
An apology from all concerned, would be nice but will never happen. As he was constantly banging the drum about lengthy bans for "simulation "I'm not expecting to see Yacob picked again until Easter. Pulis has taken a massive drop in my estimations. He's proving himself to be not only bit of a tosser, but also a stinking hypocrite. Still, it's done now so hopefully we can bounce back tomorrow and get a good result.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 18:50:32 GMT
I'm amazed but well done common sense prevails.
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