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Post by redstriper on Oct 27, 2015 15:50:38 GMT
any genuine posters left do feel free to identify yourselves ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I'm still here but not sure why... The board has been taken over by:- PC police barely literate extremists knee jerk ill considered responses people with multiple accounts trying to be clever point scorers cliques Most of the posts seem to petty squabbling between various of the above. Posts about posters have all but eliminated subjects of interest. There was a time when sensible, literate, debaters could air opposing views, and before that, there was a time when hilarious, inventive, insightful posts were prevalent - or at least somewhere on page 1. It's just sad at the moment. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) worse than at any time I can remember. No idea why mumf was banned (as I'm not in any of the cliques) but disappointed - I didn't agree with everything he said but he had a lot to contribute which was thought provoking.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 27, 2015 15:54:34 GMT
any genuine posters left do feel free to identify yourselves ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I'm still here but not sure why... The board has been taken over by:- PC police barely literate extremists knee jerk ill considered responses people with multiple accounts trying to be clever point scorers cliques Most of the posts seem to petty squabbling between various of the above. Posts about posters have all but eliminated subjects of interest. There was a time when sensible, literate, debaters could air opposing views, and before that, there was a time when hilarious, inventive, insightful posts were prevalent - or at least somewhere on page 1. It's just sad at the moment. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) worse than at any time I can remember. No idea why mumf was banned (as I'm not in any of the cliques) but disappointed - I didn't agree with everything he said but he had a lot to contribute which was thought provoking. Mumf wasn't banned , he just deleted , and your opinions are spot on . It's just not worth bothering
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 27, 2015 17:17:13 GMT
any genuine posters left do feel free to identify yourselves ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I'm still here but not sure why... The board has been taken over by:- PC police barely literate extremists knee jerk ill considered responses people with multiple accounts trying to be clever point scorers cliques Most of the posts seem to petty squabbling between various of the above. Posts about posters have all but eliminated subjects of interest. There was a time when sensible, literate, debaters could air opposing views, and before that, there was a time when hilarious, inventive, insightful posts were prevalent - or at least somewhere on page 1. It's just sad at the moment. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) worse than at any time I can remember. No idea why mumf was banned (as I'm not in any of the cliques) but disappointed - I didn't agree with everything he said but he had a lot to contribute which was thought provoking. mumf, from what I've read of his contributions, filled quite a few of those criteria you mention. He was part of the problem you've described. But so are most folk. Then again most folk appear to be **************. Apparently. I don't actually buy there is much of a problem. There is still plenty of decent stuff posted IMO. Keep posting!
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 27, 2015 19:29:09 GMT
Mumf wasn't racist or homophobic , it's just that the far left and the PC bridge didn't like his no nonsense approach so attempted to slander his name . Mumf is more representitive of Stoke fans and working class men in general than the PC brigade that haunt his board
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 27, 2015 23:55:21 GMT
Mumf wasn't racist or homophobic , it's just that the far left and the PC bridge didn't like his no nonsense approach so attempted to slander his name . Mumf is more representitive of Stoke fans and working class men in general than the PC brigade that haunt his board I'm glad you are still here anyway Harry. Top man!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 0:21:11 GMT
Mumf wasn't racist or homophobic , it's just that the far left and the PC bridge didn't like his no nonsense approach so attempted to slander his name . Mumf is more representitive of Stoke fans and working class men in general than the PC brigade that haunt his board agree with this there's a lot i disagree with both yourself and mumf on harry but isn't that what life's about? plus it's fairly obvious you're both intelligent blokes who have come to your conclusions based on reasoned thought as well as life experience, not just knee jerk beliefs with nothing behind them to back them up. how fucking boring would it be if we all agreed with each other? all we'd be left with then is ************** arguing with his other personas
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 28, 2015 1:22:09 GMT
Having read his posts on the newly resurrected Punk thread, fantastic, bring back DurbanCircus.
************** was a mint poster, he introduced me to the delights of 'Breaking Bad' and brought a breath of freshhh air to the EE board. He knows his music and films and such and had a Reithian bent. Sprinkled summat different on the Alternative Blackpool Tourist Board Board, added an extra dimension to the discussion of Whisky, Tea, Cheese and haemmaroids, and 'what is your favourite monkey?' {courtesy of me.}.
There was a bit of a meltdown over the difference between lunch and dinner, and it all seems to have gone a bit daft since then. At the end of the day I pay far too much attention to the machinations on here, because I find it mildly distracting. Spot the ************** is a nice guessing game. Mildly distracting. That's my take... I try to stear clear of political discussion on here, I have no desire to fall out with fellow Potters. I'd rather play the post rather than the poster. It doesn't always work.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 28, 2015 2:24:20 GMT
Having read his posts on the newly resurrected Punk thread, fantastic, bring back DurbanCircus. ************** was a mint poster, he introduced me to the delights of 'Breaking Bad' and brought a breath of freshhh air to the EE board. He knows his music and films and such and had a Reithian bent. Sprinkled summat different on the Alternative Blackpool Tourist Board Board, added an extra dimension to the discussion of Whisky, Tea, Cheese and haemmaroids, and 'what is your favourite monkey?' {courtesy of me.}. There was a bit of a meltdown over the difference between lunch and dinner, and it all seems to have gone a bit daft since then. At the end of the day I pay far too much attention to the machinations on here, because I find it mildly distracting. Spot the ************** is a nice guessing game. Mildly distracting. That's my take... I try to stear clear of political discussion on here, I have no desire to fall out with fellow Potters. I'd rather play the post rather than the poster. It doesn't always work. Your mind is a thing of beauty cheeesfreeex and I salute you sir. Can I please be included if you are planning any further monkey related shenanigans. Yours sincerely, A happy Potter. for happy read pissed.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 28, 2015 2:43:10 GMT
Having read his posts on the newly resurrected Punk thread, fantastic, bring back DurbanCircus. ************** was a mint poster, he introduced me to the delights of 'Breaking Bad' and brought a breath of freshhh air to the EE board. He knows his music and films and such and had a Reithian bent. Sprinkled summat different on the Alternative Blackpool Tourist Board Board, added an extra dimension to the discussion of Whisky, Tea, Cheese and haemmaroids, and 'what is your favourite monkey?' {courtesy of me.}. There was a bit of a meltdown over the difference between lunch and dinner, and it all seems to have gone a bit daft since then. At the end of the day I pay far too much attention to the machinations on here, because I find it mildly distracting. Spot the ************** is a nice guessing game. Mildly distracting. That's my take... I try to stear clear of political discussion on here, I have no desire to fall out with fellow Potters. I'd rather play the post rather than the poster. It doesn't always work. Your mind is a thing of beauty cheeesfreeex and I salute you sir. Can I please be included if you are planning any further monkey related shenanigans. Yours sincerely, A happy Potter. for happy read pissed. Conner fault you. I managed to get a taxi from HX and get a few late last orders in the local, a great night where everything fell into place. Appreciate the nice werds, I've resurrected the 'best monkey' thread in your honour, your honour. Chin chin.
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 28, 2015 3:21:17 GMT
Mumf wasn't racist or homophobic , it's just that the far left and the PC bridge didn't like his no nonsense approach so attempted to slander his name . Mumf is more representitive of Stoke fans and working class men in general than the PC brigade that haunt his board No he was racist and homophobic-unfortunately you are too right wing to notice it! Plus Mumf was the only Labour supporter I know of that followed nothing of any labour policy of the last 20 years! Working class? Lived in Frodsham in Cheshire-if you hadn't noticed-one of the the most white middle class area's you will ever come across! Plus he appeared to be an expert on everything-I remember when Bojan pulled up at Rochdale he confidently predicted he would be out for 2 weeks as he knew about knee injuries and had witnessed many. And don't get me started on his 16 hour days-though he managed to post 18k+ threads on here as well. Oh he also claimed to be able to spot a psychopath as well at first glance.After 25 years in psychiatric services-I can't and neither can any of the doctors I work with. We could also talk about his dog handling skills/football scouting and buying cars at auctions.As well as his trips to Africa where he was a celebrity for a time and mixed with royalty!! Some of you posters are suckers!
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 7:17:23 GMT
Mumf wasn't racist or homophobic , it's just that the far left and the PC bridge didn't like his no nonsense approach so attempted to slander his name . Mumf is more representitive of Stoke fans and working class men in general than the PC brigade that haunt his board No he was racist and homophobic-unfortunately you are too right wing to notice it! Plus Mumf was the only Labour supporter I know of that followed nothing of any labour policy of the last 20 years! Working class? Lived in Frodsham in Cheshire-if you hadn't noticed-one of the the most white middle class area's you will ever come across! Plus he appeared to be an expert on everything-I remember when Bojan pulled up at Rochdale he confidently predicted he would be out for 2 weeks as he knew about knee injuries and had witnessed many. And don't get me started on his 16 hour days-though he managed to post 18k+ threads on here as well. Oh he also claimed to be able to spot a psychopath as well at first glance.After 25 years in psychiatric services-I can't and neither can any of the doctors I work with. We could also talk about his dog handling skills/football scouting and buying cars at auctions.As well as his trips to Africa where he was a celebrity for a time and mixed with royalty!! Some of you posters are suckers! Sorry mate disagree with all of that .
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 10:21:13 GMT
any genuine posters left do feel free to identify yourselves ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I'm still here but not sure why... The board has been taken over by:- PC police barely literate extremists knee jerk ill considered responses people with multiple accounts trying to be clever point scorers cliques Most of the posts seem to petty squabbling between various of the above. Posts about posters have all but eliminated subjects of interest. There was a time when sensible, literate, debaters could air opposing views, and before that, there was a time when hilarious, inventive, insightful posts were prevalent - or at least somewhere on page 1. It's just sad at the moment. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) worse than at any time I can remember. No idea why mumf was banned (as I'm not in any of the cliques) but disappointed - I didn't agree with everything he said but he had a lot to contribute which was thought provoking. Mumf did have a lot to contribute - his dog and animal care advice in particular has been very valuable to many of his fellow Stokies. I've no doubt he'll be back too. Hopefully when he is, it will be with a bit more humility and respect, and a bit less of the race/gay hate. He's perfectly entitled to love or hate whoever he wants of course but his constant need to outwardly express his anti-Islam anti-gay agenda was very very tiresome and caused offence to plenty of his fellow Stokies. The board is better without that. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 10:25:22 GMT
Mumf wasn't racist or homophobic , it's just that the far left and the PC bridge didn't like his no nonsense approach so attempted to slander his name . Mumf is more representitive of Stoke fans and working class men in general than the PC brigade that haunt his board No he was racist and homophobic-unfortunately you are too right wing to notice it! Plus Mumf was the only Labour supporter I know of that followed nothing of any labour policy of the last 20 years! Working class? Lived in Frodsham in Cheshire-if you hadn't noticed-one of the the most white middle class area's you will ever come across! Plus he appeared to be an expert on everything-I remember when Bojan pulled up at Rochdale he confidently predicted he would be out for 2 weeks as he knew about knee injuries and had witnessed many. And don't get me started on his 16 hour days-though he managed to post 18k+ threads on here as well. Oh he also claimed to be able to spot a psychopath as well at first glance.After 25 years in psychiatric services-I can't and neither can any of the doctors I work with. We could also talk about his dog handling skills/football scouting and buying cars at auctions.As well as his trips to Africa where he was a celebrity for a time and mixed with royalty!! Some of you posters are suckers! Top post. When he comes back, he needs to ditch the patronising, the prejudice and the bullying. If he does, he'll have a lot to offer.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 11:43:34 GMT
No he was racist and homophobic-unfortunately you are too right wing to notice it! Plus Mumf was the only Labour supporter I know of that followed nothing of any labour policy of the last 20 years! Working class? Lived in Frodsham in Cheshire-if you hadn't noticed-one of the the most white middle class area's you will ever come across! Plus he appeared to be an expert on everything-I remember when Bojan pulled up at Rochdale he confidently predicted he would be out for 2 weeks as he knew about knee injuries and had witnessed many. And don't get me started on his 16 hour days-though he managed to post 18k+ threads on here as well. Oh he also claimed to be able to spot a psychopath as well at first glance.After 25 years in psychiatric services-I can't and neither can any of the doctors I work with. We could also talk about his dog handling skills/football scouting and buying cars at auctions.As well as his trips to Africa where he was a celebrity for a time and mixed with royalty!! Some of you posters are suckers! Top post. When he comes back, he needs to ditch the patronising, the prejudice and the bullying. If he does, he'll have a lot to offer. I don't think he's the worse for patronising , prejudice or bullying in fact far from it . Most of the PC brigade on here are far worse for all those things mentioned
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 12:04:13 GMT
Top post. When he comes back, he needs to ditch the patronising, the prejudice and the bullying. If he does, he'll have a lot to offer. I don't think he's the worse for patronising , prejudice or bullying in fact far from it . Most of the PC brigade on here are far worse for all those things mentioned I respectfully disagree with you mate. You probably feel that way because you agreed with much of what he said. Lots of people were subjected to personal abuse simply for daring to disagree or question him or for asking him to tone down his racist and homophobic language. I'm never entirely sure what this mythical "PC brigade" is that people refer to on here. If you mean people who don't think it's acceptable to use "queer" or "faggot" as an insult, or to advocate indiscriminate killing of "fuzzy wuzzies", then the "PC brigade" is actually the overwhelming majority of British society in the 21st century.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 12:33:08 GMT
I don't think he's the worse for patronising , prejudice or bullying in fact far from it . Most of the PC brigade on here are far worse for all those things mentioned I respectfully disagree with you mate. You probably feel that way because you agreed with much of what he said. Lots of people were subjected to personal abuse simply for daring to disagree or question him or for asking him to tone down his racist and homophobic language. I'm never entirely sure what this mythical "PC brigade" is that people refer to on here. If you mean people who don't think it's acceptable to use "queer" or "faggot" as an insult, or to advocate indiscriminate killing of "fuzzy wuzzies", then the "PC brigade" is actually the overwhelming majority of British society in the 21st century. That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose.
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 13:34:03 GMT
I respectfully disagree with you mate. You probably feel that way because you agreed with much of what he said. Lots of people were subjected to personal abuse simply for daring to disagree or question him or for asking him to tone down his racist and homophobic language. I'm never entirely sure what this mythical "PC brigade" is that people refer to on here. If you mean people who don't think it's acceptable to use "queer" or "faggot" as an insult, or to advocate indiscriminate killing of "fuzzy wuzzies", then the "PC brigade" is actually the overwhelming majority of British society in the 21st century. That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose. I agree with the sentiment of some of what mumf says and I'm honestly not calling him racist and/or homophobic just because of disagreements I may have. It's because he uses racist and homophobic language to insult. I 100% agree that it's about context mate yes. The context of a white heterosexual man from Cheshire using "queer" or "faggot" or "fuzzy wuzzy" etc as an INSULT is an entirely different context to gay or black people reclaiming the language of centuries of prejudice and abuse in order to empower themselves. As terms of abuse, that language remains racist, homophobic and socially taboo. I also agree that plenty of people who aren't really racist sometimes use what might be termed racist language. Again, the difference is that those people don't use that language in a pejorative sense. Mumf does.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 13:45:47 GMT
That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose. I agree with the sentiment of some of what mumf says and I'm honestly not calling him racist and/or homophobic just because of disagreements I may have. It's because he uses racist and homophobic language to insult. I 100% agree that it's about context mate yes. The context of a white heterosexual man from Cheshire using "queer" or "faggot" or "fuzzy wuzzy" etc as an INSULT is an entirely different context to gay or black people reclaiming the language of centuries of prejudice and abuse in order to empower themselves. As terms of abuse, that language remains racist, homophobic and socially taboo. I also agree that plenty of people who aren't really racist sometimes use what might be termed racist language. Again, the difference is that those people don't use that language in a pejorative sense. Mumf does. Mumf is a working class Stoke fan with roots in Stoke on Trent but I don't think we should say only certain kinds of people can say certain words. I think mumf made a fair few comments to piss the PC brigade off mate to be honest , in the same was as deridda made a thread this morning about staffordshire been a tolerant county. He knows he can not use such sweeping generalisations and he knows its simply not true but he does it with the intent of pissing people off and getting 'bites'. Mumf is old school and doesnt feel the need to tread on egg shells around people and nor do i. I dont go out of my way to offend gays or minorites but if they are offended by something that i say I simply couldnt care less. Most people have more important things to worry about and a life to be getting on with rather than to worry about what words might offend certain people . Picture the scene - You are stood in the staff of life on match day having a few beers before the match and the guy next to you says "are you looking at my arse you fucking queer" whilst laughing with his mate and the geeky guy in the corner then says "excuse me sir, thats homophobic i dont think you should be using those words" or 3 lads stood at the bar and one says to the other "morrisons are selling 10 cans of carling for a tenner, fucking brilliant deal that is i might get some on the way home" and his mate says " fuck paying a tenner you may as well go happy shopper and get tens cans of stella off the pakis for 8 quid" then the 3rd mate says " excuse me lads can you not use words like that because its offensive" most people would laugh you out of the pub mate. It happens, its reality , and its never going to change I agree with your point but i think most of the people that have a problem with mumf would have a problem regardless of weather he used 'homophobic language' or not. Most of the PC brigade dont agree with his politics so use the perceived homophobia as a branch to beat him with. I cant speak for mumf but i think when he gets accused of being homophobia when he clearly isnt homophobic his response is "you think thats homophobic ? ill show you homophobic you over sensitive souls" and then hes replies with words like faggot which have caused the exact response that he was looking for . I like mumf and I can relate to him and he will defo be back as will Friase and bisp
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 28, 2015 14:36:40 GMT
I agree with the sentiment of some of what mumf says and I'm honestly not calling him racist and/or homophobic just because of disagreements I may have. It's because he uses racist and homophobic language to insult. I 100% agree that it's about context mate yes. The context of a white heterosexual man from Cheshire using "queer" or "faggot" or "fuzzy wuzzy" etc as an INSULT is an entirely different context to gay or black people reclaiming the language of centuries of prejudice and abuse in order to empower themselves. As terms of abuse, that language remains racist, homophobic and socially taboo. I also agree that plenty of people who aren't really racist sometimes use what might be termed racist language. Again, the difference is that those people don't use that language in a pejorative sense. Mumf does. Mumf is a working class Stoke fan with roots in Stoke on Trent but I don't think we should say only certain kinds of people can say certain words. I think mumf made a fair few comments to piss the PC brigade off mate to be honest , in the same was as deridda made a thread this morning about staffordshire been a tolerant county. He knows he can not use such sweeping generalisations and he knows its simply not true but he does it with the intent of pissing people off and getting 'bites'. Mumf is old school and doesnt feel the need to tread on egg shells around people and nor do i. I dont go out of my way to offend gays or minorites but if they are offended by something that i say I simply couldnt care less. Most people have more important things to worry about and a life to be getting on with rather than to worry about what words might offend certain people . Picture the scene - You are stood in the staff of life on match day having a few beers before the match and the guy next to you says "are you looking at my arse you fucking queer" whilst laughing with his mate and the geeky guy in the corner then says "excuse me sir, thats homophobic i dont think you should be using those words" or 3 lads stood at the bar and one says to the other "morrisons are selling 10 cans of carling for a tenner, fucking brilliant deal that is i might get some on the way home" and his mate says " fuck paying a tenner you may as well go happy shopper and get tens cans of stella off the pakis for 8 quid" then the 3rd mate says " excuse me lads can you not use words like that because its offensive" most people would laugh you out of the pub mate. It happens, its reality , and its never going to change I agree with your point but i think most of the people that have a problem with mumf would have a problem regardless of weather he used 'homophobic language' or not. Most of the PC brigade dont agree with his politics so use the perceived homophobia as a branch to beat him with. I cant speak for mumf but i think when he gets accused of being homophobia when he clearly isnt homophobic his response is "you think thats homophobic ? ill show you homophobic you over sensitive souls" and then hes replies with words like faggot which have caused the exact response that he was looking for . I like mumf and I can relate to him and he will defo be back as will Friase and bisp The hypothetical scenarios you put forward bare no absolutely resemblance to they way in mumf was repeatedly insinuating that huddysleftfoot is gay and that it's a bad thing so you can't compare the two. It wasn't a joke between mates, it was nasty, malicious and said with bad intent due to his clear dislike of huddysleftfoot. It's also pretty clear from his posting history that he doesn't agree with people being gay and his comments on the thread regarding the baker who refused to bake the cake for the couple who wanted a gay slogan on it are just one example, you're trying to defend the indefensible here mate.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 14:55:52 GMT
Mumf is a working class Stoke fan with roots in Stoke on Trent but I don't think we should say only certain kinds of people can say certain words. I think mumf made a fair few comments to piss the PC brigade off mate to be honest , in the same was as deridda made a thread this morning about staffordshire been a tolerant county. He knows he can not use such sweeping generalisations and he knows its simply not true but he does it with the intent of pissing people off and getting 'bites'. Mumf is old school and doesnt feel the need to tread on egg shells around people and nor do i. I dont go out of my way to offend gays or minorites but if they are offended by something that i say I simply couldnt care less. Most people have more important things to worry about and a life to be getting on with rather than to worry about what words might offend certain people . Picture the scene - You are stood in the staff of life on match day having a few beers before the match and the guy next to you says "are you looking at my arse you fucking queer" whilst laughing with his mate and the geeky guy in the corner then says "excuse me sir, thats homophobic i dont think you should be using those words" or 3 lads stood at the bar and one says to the other "morrisons are selling 10 cans of carling for a tenner, fucking brilliant deal that is i might get some on the way home" and his mate says " fuck paying a tenner you may as well go happy shopper and get tens cans of stella off the pakis for 8 quid" then the 3rd mate says " excuse me lads can you not use words like that because its offensive" most people would laugh you out of the pub mate. It happens, its reality , and its never going to change I agree with your point but i think most of the people that have a problem with mumf would have a problem regardless of weather he used 'homophobic language' or not. Most of the PC brigade dont agree with his politics so use the perceived homophobia as a branch to beat him with. I cant speak for mumf but i think when he gets accused of being homophobia when he clearly isnt homophobic his response is "you think thats homophobic ? ill show you homophobic you over sensitive souls" and then hes replies with words like faggot which have caused the exact response that he was looking for . I like mumf and I can relate to him and he will defo be back as will Friase and bisp The hypothetical scenarios you put forward bare no absolutely resemblance to they way in mumf was repeatedly insinuating that huddysleftfoot is gay and that it's a bad thing so you can't compare the two. It wasn't a joke between mates, it was nasty, malicious and said with bad intent due to his clear dislike of huddysleftfoot. It's also pretty clear from his posting history that he doesn't agree with people being gay and his comments on the thread regarding the baker who refused to bake the cake for the couple who wanted a gay slogan on it are just one example, you're trying to defend the indefensible here mate. You are assuming that mumf meant it in a bad way, maybe huddy is gay but so what if he was , if someone takes offense at being asked if they are gay then maybe they are gay but are ashamed of being gay , and no one should be ashamed of what their sexual preference is. Like I said mumf liked to wind huddy up because huddy is a sensitive soul and likes to provoke people but doesnt like it when he gets it back . Not agreeing with gayness doesnt make some one a homophobe mate. I don't agree with it and ill never understand it but i respect other peoples rights to fuck who they want , as long as it doesnt effect me i really dont care and most people think the same
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 15:02:25 GMT
I agree with the sentiment of some of what mumf says and I'm honestly not calling him racist and/or homophobic just because of disagreements I may have. It's because he uses racist and homophobic language to insult. I 100% agree that it's about context mate yes. The context of a white heterosexual man from Cheshire using "queer" or "faggot" or "fuzzy wuzzy" etc as an INSULT is an entirely different context to gay or black people reclaiming the language of centuries of prejudice and abuse in order to empower themselves. As terms of abuse, that language remains racist, homophobic and socially taboo. I also agree that plenty of people who aren't really racist sometimes use what might be termed racist language. Again, the difference is that those people don't use that language in a pejorative sense. Mumf does. Mumf is a working class Stoke fan with roots in Stoke on Trent but I don't think we should say only certain kinds of people can say certain words. I think mumf made a fair few comments to piss the PC brigade off mate to be honest , in the same was as deridda made a thread this morning about staffordshire been a tolerant county. He knows he can not use such sweeping generalisations and he knows its simply not true but he does it with the intent of pissing people off and getting 'bites'. Mumf is old school and doesnt feel the need to tread on egg shells around people and nor do i. I dont go out of my way to offend gays or minorites but if they are offended by something that i say I simply couldnt care less. Most people have more important things to worry about and a life to be getting on with rather than to worry about what words might offend certain people . Picture the scene - You are stood in the staff of life on match day having a few beers before the match and the guy next to you says "are you looking at my arse you fucking queer" whilst laughing with his mate and the geeky guy in the corner then says "excuse me sir, thats homophobic i dont think you should be using those words" or 3 lads stood at the bar and one says to the other "morrisons are selling 10 cans of carling for a tenner, fucking brilliant deal that is i might get some on the way home" and his mate says " fuck paying a tenner you may as well go happy shopper and get tens cans of stella off the pakis for 8 quid" then the 3rd mate says " excuse me lads can you not use words like that because its offensive" most people would laugh you out of the pub mate. It happens, its reality , and its never going to change I agree with your point but i think most of the people that have a problem with mumf would have a problem regardless of weather he used 'homophobic language' or not. Most of the PC brigade dont agree with his politics so use the perceived homophobia as a branch to beat him with. I cant speak for mumf but i think when he gets accused of being homophobia when he clearly isnt homophobic his response is "you think thats homophobic ? ill show you homophobic you over sensitive souls" and then hes replies with words like faggot which have caused the exact response that he was looking for . I like mumf and I can relate to him and he will defo be back as will Friase and bisp As you said before though mate, it's all about context. So for example, in the context of mumf declaring on this board on numerous occasions that he has an issue with homosexuals and homosexuality, I think it's reasonable to assume from him using "queer", "faggot" etc to insult people that he's homophobic. Many of us on this board don't know each other from Adam so that's the only context we have to go off and it's certainly how he comes across to many posters on here. I'm not especially PC but it's how he appears to me. Also personally I would care if I offended minorities. I think we have a duty to be relatively civilised to each other to make life easier. I completely respect your views though mate and am interested in them, even if I may disagree with some of them. Which is what the EE board should be about. Dyed in the wool Stokies from different bits of the political spectrum having a perfectly reasoned debate. Staff Of Life ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) . Not been in there for fucking yonks ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) .
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 15:08:05 GMT
Mumf is a working class Stoke fan with roots in Stoke on Trent but I don't think we should say only certain kinds of people can say certain words. I think mumf made a fair few comments to piss the PC brigade off mate to be honest , in the same was as deridda made a thread this morning about staffordshire been a tolerant county. He knows he can not use such sweeping generalisations and he knows its simply not true but he does it with the intent of pissing people off and getting 'bites'. Mumf is old school and doesnt feel the need to tread on egg shells around people and nor do i. I dont go out of my way to offend gays or minorites but if they are offended by something that i say I simply couldnt care less. Most people have more important things to worry about and a life to be getting on with rather than to worry about what words might offend certain people . Picture the scene - You are stood in the staff of life on match day having a few beers before the match and the guy next to you says "are you looking at my arse you fucking queer" whilst laughing with his mate and the geeky guy in the corner then says "excuse me sir, thats homophobic i dont think you should be using those words" or 3 lads stood at the bar and one says to the other "morrisons are selling 10 cans of carling for a tenner, fucking brilliant deal that is i might get some on the way home" and his mate says " fuck paying a tenner you may as well go happy shopper and get tens cans of stella off the pakis for 8 quid" then the 3rd mate says " excuse me lads can you not use words like that because its offensive" most people would laugh you out of the pub mate. It happens, its reality , and its never going to change I agree with your point but i think most of the people that have a problem with mumf would have a problem regardless of weather he used 'homophobic language' or not. Most of the PC brigade dont agree with his politics so use the perceived homophobia as a branch to beat him with. I cant speak for mumf but i think when he gets accused of being homophobia when he clearly isnt homophobic his response is "you think thats homophobic ? ill show you homophobic you over sensitive souls" and then hes replies with words like faggot which have caused the exact response that he was looking for . I like mumf and I can relate to him and he will defo be back as will Friase and bisp As you said before though mate, it's all about context. So for example, in the context of mumf declaring on this board on numerous occasions that he has an issue with homosexuals and homosexuality, I think it's reasonable to assume from him using "queer", "faggot" etc to insult people that he's homophobic. Many of us on this board don't know each other from Adam so that's the only context we have to go off and it's certainly how he comes across to many posters on here. I'm not especially PC but it's how he appears to me. Also personally I would care if I offended minorities. I think we have a duty to be relatively civilised to each other to make life easier. I completely respect your views though mate and am interested in them, even if I may disagree with some of them. Which is what the EE board should be about. Dyed in the wool Stokies from different bits of the political spectrum having a perfectly reasoned debate. Staff Of Life ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) . Not been in there for fucking yonks ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) . Plenty of minorities are intentionally offensive to us whiteys too mate, it works both ways ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Racism cuts both ways. Personally other things are more important to me than worrying about offending people that like to be offended Its good that we can talk and disagree but keep it civil though owd ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) thumbs up
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 15:12:27 GMT
The hypothetical scenarios you put forward bare no absolutely resemblance to they way in mumf was repeatedly insinuating that huddysleftfoot is gay and that it's a bad thing so you can't compare the two. It wasn't a joke between mates, it was nasty, malicious and said with bad intent due to his clear dislike of huddysleftfoot. It's also pretty clear from his posting history that he doesn't agree with people being gay and his comments on the thread regarding the baker who refused to bake the cake for the couple who wanted a gay slogan on it are just one example, you're trying to defend the indefensible here mate. Not agreeing with gayness doesnt make some one a homophobe mate. I don't agree with it and ill never understand it but i respect other peoples rights to fuck who they want , as long as it doesnt effect me i really dont care and most people think the same Surely lesbian porn affects you harry? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) Certainly bloody does me anyway ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by manmarking on Oct 28, 2015 15:19:20 GMT
As you said before though mate, it's all about context. So for example, in the context of mumf declaring on this board on numerous occasions that he has an issue with homosexuals and homosexuality, I think it's reasonable to assume from him using "queer", "faggot" etc to insult people that he's homophobic. Many of us on this board don't know each other from Adam so that's the only context we have to go off and it's certainly how he comes across to many posters on here. I'm not especially PC but it's how he appears to me. Also personally I would care if I offended minorities. I think we have a duty to be relatively civilised to each other to make life easier. I completely respect your views though mate and am interested in them, even if I may disagree with some of them. Which is what the EE board should be about. Dyed in the wool Stokies from different bits of the political spectrum having a perfectly reasoned debate. Staff Of Life ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) . Not been in there for fucking yonks ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) . Plenty of minorities are intentionally offensive to us whiteys too mate, it works both ways ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Racism cuts both ways. Personally other things are more important to me than worrying about offending people that like to be offended Its good that we can talk and disagree but keep it civil though owd ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) thumbs up Absolutely mate, I've witnessed racism against whites first hand in the Stoke education system and it's just as bad as the other way round. Can't be doing with any of it and I'll fight it when I see it whoever the perpetrator/victim is. Will do yes marrer ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 28, 2015 15:20:09 GMT
The hypothetical scenarios you put forward bare no absolutely resemblance to they way in mumf was repeatedly insinuating that huddysleftfoot is gay and that it's a bad thing so you can't compare the two. It wasn't a joke between mates, it was nasty, malicious and said with bad intent due to his clear dislike of huddysleftfoot. It's also pretty clear from his posting history that he doesn't agree with people being gay and his comments on the thread regarding the baker who refused to bake the cake for the couple who wanted a gay slogan on it are just one example, you're trying to defend the indefensible here mate. You are assuming that mumf meant it in a bad way, maybe huddy is gay but so what if he was , if someone takes offense at being asked if they are gay then maybe they are gay but are ashamed of being gay , and no one should be ashamed of what their sexual preference is. Like I said mumf liked to wind huddy up because huddy is a sensitive soul and likes to provoke people but doesnt like it when he gets it back . Not agreeing with gayness doesnt make some one a homophobe mate. I don't agree with it and ill never understand it but i respect other peoples rights to fuck who they want , as long as it doesnt effect me i really dont care and most people think the same It's an obvious assumption to make though there's no love lost between mumf and huddy which can be easily evidenced, they clearly don't like each other. mumf wasn't doing it as a laugh, he wasn't unaware of what he was doing, he was using what he perceived to be huddys sexuality as a stick to beat him with, as a means to try and wind him up which is homophobic and it's bang out of order.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 15:44:19 GMT
Plenty of minorities are intentionally offensive to us whiteys too mate, it works both ways ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Racism cuts both ways. Personally other things are more important to me than worrying about offending people that like to be offended Its good that we can talk and disagree but keep it civil though owd ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) thumbs up Absolutely mate, I've witnessed racism against whites first hand in the Stoke education system and it's just as bad as the other way round. Can't be doing with any of it and I'll fight it when I see it whoever the perpetrator/victim is. Will do yes marrer ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) You are unique in the fact that you acknowledge racism works both ways mate and if you do indeed fight it when you see it happeneing both ways as opposed to just one way then fair play to you it's a pity others don't follow your example
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 15:46:42 GMT
You are assuming that mumf meant it in a bad way, maybe huddy is gay but so what if he was , if someone takes offense at being asked if they are gay then maybe they are gay but are ashamed of being gay , and no one should be ashamed of what their sexual preference is. Like I said mumf liked to wind huddy up because huddy is a sensitive soul and likes to provoke people but doesnt like it when he gets it back . Not agreeing with gayness doesnt make some one a homophobe mate. I don't agree with it and ill never understand it but i respect other peoples rights to fuck who they want , as long as it doesnt effect me i really dont care and most people think the same It's an obvious assumption to make though there's no love lost between mumf and huddy which can be easily evidenced, they clearly don't like each other. mumf wasn't doing it as a laugh, he wasn't unaware of what he was doing, he was using what he perceived to be huddys sexuality as a stick to beat him with, as a means to try and wind him up which is homophobic and it's bang out of order. But you don't like it when people jump to conclusions mate so you can't have it both ways. I agree assumptions can be made but remember that next time you lambast some one for doing the very same . Huddy wanted mumf to make homophobic remarks , he baits him because he wants to see him banned . I don't think mumf is homophobic and even if he was it wouldn't upset me because like most people I have other priorities
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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 28, 2015 15:47:52 GMT
You are a top poster Harry. Consistent and erudite. I admire your loyalty to your mates. Not bullshit from me either mate. I'm being straight with you, which in the context of the discussion above, seems appropriate somehow. <smiley>
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 15:55:12 GMT
There's making comments that some consider offensive then there is genuine homophobia such as the kind that goes on in country's like Nigeria , ie killing them . Now THAT'S homophobia
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 15:56:29 GMT
You are a top poster Harry. Consistent and erudite. I admire your loyalty to your mates. Not bullshit from me either mate. I'm being straight with you, which in the context of the discussion above, seems appropriate somehow. <smiley> Mumf isn't my mate I've never met the bloke I just don't think he was a homophobe and when you consider the things other people say and get away with on here I don't think it's worthy of a thread
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