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Post by Skankmonkey on Oct 28, 2015 16:06:22 GMT
You are a top poster Harry. Consistent and erudite. I admire your loyalty to your mates. Not bullshit from me either mate. I'm being straight with you, which in the context of the discussion above, seems appropriate somehow. <smiley> Mumf isn't my mate I've never met the bloke I just don't think he was a homophobe and when you consider the things other people say and get away with on here I don't think it's worthy of a thread Fair enough mate.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 28, 2015 16:47:05 GMT
It's an obvious assumption to make though there's no love lost between mumf and huddy which can be easily evidenced, they clearly don't like each other. mumf wasn't doing it as a laugh, he wasn't unaware of what he was doing, he was using what he perceived to be huddys sexuality as a stick to beat him with, as a means to try and wind him up which is homophobic and it's bang out of order. But you don't like it when people jump to conclusions mate so you can't have it both ways. I agree assumptions can be made but remember that next time you lambast some one for doing the very same . Huddy wanted mumf to make homophobic remarks , he baits him because he wants to see him banned . I don't think mumf is homophobic and even if he was it wouldn't upset me because like most people I have other priorities It's a conclusion based on solid reasoning and evidence and other posters have also come to the same conclusion as I have. Huddy is no saint and he gives out as much as receives but he hasn't baited mumf into making homophobic remarks, that's on mumf and nobody else. It's clear we have a different view so I'll leave this particular discussion here but I would like to say I appreciate the way you've conducted yourself. Thumbs up brother.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 17:37:11 GMT
But you don't like it when people jump to conclusions mate so you can't have it both ways. I agree assumptions can be made but remember that next time you lambast some one for doing the very same . Huddy wanted mumf to make homophobic remarks , he baits him because he wants to see him banned . I don't think mumf is homophobic and even if he was it wouldn't upset me because like most people I have other priorities It's a conclusion based on solid reasoning and evidence and other posters have also come to the same conclusion as I have. Huddy is no saint and he gives out as much as receives but he hasn't baited mumf into making homophobic remarks, that's on mumf and nobody else. It's clear we have a different view so I'll leave this particular discussion here but I would like to say I appreciate the way you've conducted yourself. Thumbs up brother. Same applies when others make assumptions though mate. We all make them based on what we consider solid reasoning . I have to disagree with you regarding huddy baiting mumf though , the only thing mumf did wrong was he bit but I'm 100% sure mumf isn't arsed . Like wise mate , isn't the oatcake a better place when we can all debate like adults ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Thumbs up
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 28, 2015 19:33:42 GMT
All these lovely new friendships being made, awww ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 19:38:36 GMT
I respectfully disagree with you mate. You probably feel that way because you agreed with much of what he said. Lots of people were subjected to personal abuse simply for daring to disagree or question him or for asking him to tone down his racist and homophobic language. I'm never entirely sure what this mythical "PC brigade" is that people refer to on here. If you mean people who don't think it's acceptable to use "queer" or "faggot" as an insult, or to advocate indiscriminate killing of "fuzzy wuzzies", then the "PC brigade" is actually the overwhelming majority of British society in the 21st century. That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose. Jesus wept.... ![(slaphead)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/x7GhxArXJzjvmIlugu2X.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 19:41:58 GMT
It's an obvious assumption to make though there's no love lost between mumf and huddy which can be easily evidenced, they clearly don't like each other. mumf wasn't doing it as a laugh, he wasn't unaware of what he was doing, he was using what he perceived to be huddys sexuality as a stick to beat him with, as a means to try and wind him up which is homophobic and it's bang out of order. But you don't like it when people jump to conclusions mate so you can't have it both ways. I agree assumptions can be made but remember that next time you lambast some one for doing the very same . Huddy wanted mumf to make homophobic remarks , he baits him because he wants to see him banned . I don't think mumf is homophobic and even if he was it wouldn't upset me because like most people I have other priorities I have NEVER wanted Mumf to to make homophobic remarks. What the hell are you prattling on about here?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 19:47:50 GMT
You are assuming that mumf meant it in a bad way, maybe huddy is gay but so what if he was , if someone takes offense at being asked if they are gay then maybe they are gay but are ashamed of being gay , and no one should be ashamed of what their sexual preference is. Like I said mumf liked to wind huddy up because huddy is a sensitive soul and likes to provoke people but doesnt like it when he gets it back . Not agreeing with gayness doesnt make some one a homophobe mate. I don't agree with it and ill never understand it but i respect other peoples rights to fuck who they want , as long as it doesnt effect me i really dont care and most people think the same It's an obvious assumption to make though there's no love lost between mumf and huddy which can be easily evidenced, they clearly don't like each other. mumf wasn't doing it as a laugh, he wasn't unaware of what he was doing, he was using what he perceived to be huddys sexuality as a stick to beat him with, as a means to try and wind him up which is homophobic and it's bang out of order. For what it's worth Mumf and I got on very well until recently, so much so that he used to PM me on regular occasions when he was getting stick from the likes of Fraise and Salopstick. That's when I disclosed my location etc., sadly when I called him on racist/homophobic remarks he decided to use that personal message information in an attempt to belittle me. By the way Harry I don't consider myself a sensitive soul, I've stood up and defeated much better than you mate.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:00:45 GMT
That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose. Jesus wept.... ![(slaphead)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/x7GhxArXJzjvmIlugu2X.gif) Fuckin hell mate self harming is a bit extreme it's only a message board ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:01:12 GMT
But you don't like it when people jump to conclusions mate so you can't have it both ways. I agree assumptions can be made but remember that next time you lambast some one for doing the very same . Huddy wanted mumf to make homophobic remarks , he baits him because he wants to see him banned . I don't think mumf is homophobic and even if he was it wouldn't upset me because like most people I have other priorities I have NEVER wanted Mumf to to make homophobic remarks. What the hell are you prattling on about here? Oooh yes you did ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:03:08 GMT
It's an obvious assumption to make though there's no love lost between mumf and huddy which can be easily evidenced, they clearly don't like each other. mumf wasn't doing it as a laugh, he wasn't unaware of what he was doing, he was using what he perceived to be huddys sexuality as a stick to beat him with, as a means to try and wind him up which is homophobic and it's bang out of order. For what it's worth Mumf and I got on very well until recently, so much so that he used to PM me on regular occasions when he was getting stick from the likes of Fraise and Salopstick. That's when I disclosed my location etc., sadly when I called him on racist/homophobic remarks he decided to use that personal message information in an attempt to belittle me. By the way Harry I don't consider myself a sensitive soul, I've stood up and defeated much better than you mate. Definitely a sensitive soul mate . Way too emotional . Shouting "nazi" whilst behind police protection isn't exactly defeating anyone owd. Nothing you have done with your life has changed or altered a single thing ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:03:49 GMT
Huddy meltdown right on cue ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:04:29 GMT
All these lovely new friendships being made, awww ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Exactly how it should be . Then huddy turns up ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 20:08:51 GMT
For what it's worth Mumf and I got on very well until recently, so much so that he used to PM me on regular occasions when he was getting stick from the likes of Fraise and Salopstick. That's when I disclosed my location etc., sadly when I called him on racist/homophobic remarks he decided to use that personal message information in an attempt to belittle me. By the way Harry I don't consider myself a sensitive soul, I've stood up and defeated much better than you mate. Definitely a sensitive soul mate . Way too emotional . Shouting "nazi" whilst behind police protection isn't exactly defeating anyone owd. Nothing you have done with your life has changed or altered a single thing ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) You never cease to amaze me with these remarks, when you know absolutely nothing about me at all. You know what you are Harry...and so do the rest of us. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 20:11:33 GMT
Huddy meltdown right on cue ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Is your idea of wit to simply parrot back what other posters write? You do it with alarming regularity to anyone who betters you...which let's be honest is just about everyone else. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:11:38 GMT
Definitely a sensitive soul mate . Way too emotional . Shouting "nazi" whilst behind police protection isn't exactly defeating anyone owd. Nothing you have done with your life has changed or altered a single thing ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) You never cease to amaze me with these remarks, when you know absolutely nothing about me at all. You know what you are Harry...and so do the rest of us. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif) I wear it as a badge of honour ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) And I know more than you think mate ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:22:00 GMT
Huddy meltdown right on cue ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Is your idea of wit to simply parrot back what other posters write? You do it with alarming regularity to anyone who betters you...which let's be honest is just about everyone else. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif) Yep , defo in the middle of a meltdown tonight allah ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 20:54:46 GMT
You never cease to amaze me with these remarks, when you know absolutely nothing about me at all. You know what you are Harry...and so do the rest of us. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/jitsPgqXBozY69AOPrPg.gif) I wear it as a badge of honour ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) And I know more than you think mate ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) There you go again..parroting as per. Harry the Parrot.. I like it. ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif)
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 20:56:34 GMT
I wear it as a badge of honour ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) And I know more than you think mate ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) There you go again..parroting as per. Harry the Parrot.. I like it. ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif) Enjoy your ready meal for one later allah Thumbs up ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 28, 2015 21:19:21 GMT
I feel sorry for Fraiser. He did the big girly strop & deleted first & no fucker gives a toss about him ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2015 22:27:19 GMT
There you go again..parroting as per. Harry the Parrot.. I like it. ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif) Enjoy your ready meal for one later allah Thumbs up ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Must be sad for you these days...the only Nazi left on here eh? ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif)
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Oct 28, 2015 22:35:08 GMT
I feel sorry for Fraiser. He did the big girly strop & deleted first & no fucker gives a toss about him ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) So what did he say in his girly strop?
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 28, 2015 22:35:58 GMT
Enjoy your ready meal for one later allah Thumbs up ![(bravo)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/aX_EnhrKOKv0Zc_aN8eF.gif) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Must be sad for you these days...the only Nazi left on here eh? ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif) Pot noodle and a wank was it ? ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif)
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 29, 2015 0:16:06 GMT
I respectfully disagree with you mate. You probably feel that way because you agreed with much of what he said. Lots of people were subjected to personal abuse simply for daring to disagree or question him or for asking him to tone down his racist and homophobic language. I'm never entirely sure what this mythical "PC brigade" is that people refer to on here. If you mean people who don't think it's acceptable to use "queer" or "faggot" as an insult, or to advocate indiscriminate killing of "fuzzy wuzzies", then the "PC brigade" is actually the overwhelming majority of British society in the 21st century. That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose. If one buys a packet of biscuits and calls them "ginger nuts" does every male of red-hair origin within shouting distance of a Tesco become apoplectic with rage? If one suggests a UKIP supporter is racist and homophobic then do all EDL and BNP supporters metaphorically, mysteriously and spontaneously implode?
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Post by samba :) on Oct 29, 2015 0:21:04 GMT
What is happening, seems like a contagious outbreak. ... When you created a thread like this, you must have known there'd be another homophobic argument
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 29, 2015 0:42:19 GMT
What is happening, seems like a contagious outbreak. ... When you created a thread like this, you must have known there'd be another homophobic argument It could be aversion therapy for those prone to seemingly unstoppable and deep-ridden discrimination who have recently been called on their actions. The Gedney Grove cannon-fodder seemingly evolves. Each to to their own.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 29, 2015 1:03:46 GMT
What is happening, seems like a contagious outbreak. ... When you created a thread like this, you must have known there'd be another homophobic argument Created for humour and where is the argument
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 29, 2015 7:11:52 GMT
That's fine that you disagree mate but I still stand by what I said and there is probably some truth in what you say regarding I agree with most of what he said which is probably why I don't feel he was homophobic or racist . By those same standards I think you assume he is racist and homophobic because you disagree with his views , same applies in reverse . Thing is mate its all about context . Black people often use the N word when talking to each other but if a white person used the word then it's a different story and it's obvious to any one why . I have had several gay mates over the years and they refered to each other as queer . The gay guys from gogglebox often call other gays "benders" and Jonathan Ross used to have "four puffs and a piano" on his show . It's it's said with intent then it's bullying if it's said as a flippant comment then more often than not it isn't meant to cause offense . Plenty of people all over the UK still call Asians "Pakis" and not an ounce of offense is meant . You hear people referring to the "paki shop" all the time and these people don't have a racist bone in their body. The people that make the fuss 9 times out of ten are the white do gooder middle class types that have no concept of reality and no idea of the real world and them are the PC brigade that actually cause more racial tension and bigotry than those they claim to oppose. If one buys a packet of biscuits and calls them "ginger nuts" does every male of red-hair origin within shouting distance of a Tesco become apoplectic with rage? If one suggests a UKIP supporter is racist and homophobic then do all EDL and BNP supporters metaphorically, mysteriously and spontaneously implode? You've just proven my point ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 9:02:53 GMT
I was also thinking about deleting my account, but it is a bit of a knee jerk reaction, and I know for a fact that Franklin loved this MB and having met him in Singapore I know he will miss it, his posts, esp SCFC ones were always bang on. Reason I decided not to delete is because it's sometimes good to lend support to posters that you agree with, as much as it is to slate ones that you don't agree with, after all that's what a Forum is, I am pretty sure MUMF & Franklin will both be back, and pretty sure they are reading, if not contributing to this particular thread...
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 29, 2015 9:55:27 GMT
If one buys a packet of biscuits and calls them "ginger nuts" does every male of red-hair origin within shouting distance of a Tesco become apoplectic with rage? If one suggests a UKIP supporter is racist and homophobic then do all EDL and BNP supporters metaphorically, mysteriously and spontaneously implode? You've just proven my point ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I'm glad you think so. Anybody else remember that Stewart Lee "Top Gear" sketch?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 29, 2015 12:32:26 GMT
I was also thinking about deleting my account, but it is a bit of a knee jerk reaction, and I know for a fact that Franklin loved this MB and having met him in Singapore I know he will miss it, his posts, esp SCFC ones were always bang on. Reason I decided not to delete is because it's sometimes good to lend support to posters that you agree with, as much as it is to slate ones that you don't agree with, after all that's what a Forum is, I am pretty sure MUMF & Franklin will both be back, and pretty sure they are reading, if not contributing to this particular thread... It's like reading your own obituary while your still alive. Sadly missed etc... A bit weird really.
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