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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2015 13:02:50 GMT
A picture seems in order...
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 8, 2015 13:13:06 GMT
Doesn't make much difference to the outcome, you are correct - that's why I think it was an excellent call to declare. Cook has been hammered previously for his captaincy by people, not suggesting that's the case with anyone here, and he actually made a call that took most people by surprise if not everyone. That's why I think it's an excellent call. Not sure how much of an impact Bayliss is havi but I think Cook has come on considerably this summer with his decision making, even in the New Zealand tests. I think praise is due when he does something right. The call might have been linked to Finn getting hit on the hand, but f that's the case then surely it's an excellent call as well? Lea is very safe no point losing either of either are bowlers for the sake of a couple more runs. I've been very critical of Cook as both captain (for most of his tenure) and as an opening bat (for much of 2014 and 2013). I reckon that criticism was deserved. It's great his batting looks back on track - notwithstanding a disapointing contribution to the current series to date, he looks the part. His captaincy also looks much better this series. It was awful previously. I wouldn't go over the top about yesterday's declaration. It was fairly obvious - and as Bish correctly pointed out, not really needed. I'm more impressed with how he has managed his bowlers and field placing. He's looked more positive and assertive. I also like the way he looks pissed off when bowlers and fielders don't perform as they should. He's starting to develop an air of authority in the field. Which is essential for a captain. In the past he's seemed reticent and slightly cowed. Guess you could say he's maturing as a skipper. Good to see because he has a long road ahead of him in the side. I think it's no coincidence that we've started to see Cook's confidence grow as a captain, and his positivity too, since Flowers and Moores have departed. A series largely won by individual bowling performances, Root's batting, excellent catching and good captaincy.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Aug 8, 2015 13:29:46 GMT
One of these seems in order also.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 14:02:43 GMT
I'd still drop that opening batsman Lyth!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 14:08:40 GMT
Great player , great career .....it's the right time for him go Maybe a series too far. Similar to Ponting's last one. Both ended up averaging less than 20. To put that in context - that puts them in a similar territory to Mike Brearly in Ashes series. It's a shame also that the protracted poor run of form that he's had at the end of his test career has seen his average drop below 50. Takes him out of that upper echelon of players who managed to average over 50, like the aforementioned Ponting. Yes perhaps it wasa series too far for him .......it's tough call to retire after a long period in the game even when you know it's the right one ......Brearley would be quite flattered to have him self compared similarly to Ponting and Clarke as a batsman
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 14:19:07 GMT
Congratulations England. A series well won by far the better team (this time) I couldn't bring myself to contribute towards the Ashes thread too much for this match - well.... what could I say. It looks like the ACB have made their thoughts known to the skipper and he's retiring; perhaps twelve months late but what a terrific captain he's been. The body starts to deteriorate even though the mind is strong. I know the feeling. For anyone who's interested, the Wallabies beat the All Blacks this evening and are looking to be pretty strong for the world cup. I'm putting away the Bushmills for a little while. This series has proven to be a tad expensive (for my liver) and I'm not about to scale down to anything less. Have fun and don't hold back on the celebrations - I wouldn't. I am amazed there is any Bushmill's left Syd .......I'm not holding (hic ) back ......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 14:25:48 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2015 17:32:05 GMT
Urghhhh. That's weird. How about this lion / roo combination instead... Edit; that's weird. The quote function lost your picture. Strange.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 17:39:30 GMT
Urghhhh. That's weird. How about this lion / roo combination instead... Edit; that's weird. The quote function lost your picture. Strange. Much better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 1:14:57 GMT
Not as much traffic on here as I would have thought ...Doesn't anybody have anything to say ! ....Well done England !
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2015 9:29:53 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2015 10:09:59 GMT
I feel like a kid with a new toy now I've 1) realised you can embed tweets and 2) how to do it!
Anyway - Lehman got plenty of response to his tweet. Not that helpful it would see.
Not sure he should have expected much else. Twitter is the Wild West of social media. Makes Mumf and Comical Harry seem like babes in arms.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 9, 2015 12:02:49 GMT
What's he babbling on about abuse for? The big fucking convict loser wants to cheer up.
Ooooh the abuse!
Completely uncalled for abuse!
Wont somebody think of the children!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 9, 2015 12:04:44 GMT
My only real concern now the Ashes are won, is Lyth, apart from a couple of catches, he aint contributed too much. Even if he gets runs at the Oval,he will not be under the pressure he could have been under if we needed to win the last Test to get the Ashes back,in a way, it is a meaningless game of sorts, if an Ashes game can be called meaningless, so it could be a good time to try a couple of players who have not played in this series, after all we have nothing to lose.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2015 12:56:31 GMT
You ready to share more of your pearls of wisdom? The only thing that may save us from a 5 nil loss is the weather. The Aussie bowling attack will skittle us ten times over the series. Aside from cook and root I really don't see much resistance in our line up. Our bowlers are going to have to perform far better than they have been just for us to be competitive. I really don't see us winning a test and... If you watch much cricket you'd agree. We have a mediocre bowling attack. We will struggle to take 20 wickets in a test match. That is not to say that we don't have the chance of a couple of batsmen making a stand a couple of times and giving us a Chance in the odd match. Form and odds suggest 5 0 ands that's the result I'd be betting on and... Much as I predicted, we are completely outclassed. Under pressure we are woeful. As I said at the beginning lythe is a walking wicket and balance and bell are in hopeless nick. We have a strong middle order and a mediocre bowling attack. No doubt Bispham will be on to tell me I know nothing and we are a team of world beaters The wise words of Abraham Lincoln seem appropriate; Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 17:08:01 GMT
Much as I predicted, we are completely outclassed. Under pressure we are woeful. As I said at the beginning lythe is a walking wicket and balance and bell are in hopeless nick. We have a strong middle order and a mediocre bowling attack. No doubt Bispham will be on to tell me I know nothing and we are a team of world beaters We are a team of world beaters and you know nothing .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 23:37:17 GMT
I feel like a kid with a new toy now I've 1) realised you can embed tweets and 2) how to do it! Anyway - Lehman got plenty of response to his tweet. Not that helpful it would see. Not sure he should have expected much else. Twitter is the Wild West of social media. Makes Mumf and Comical Harry seem like babes in arms. Aussie mardarse
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 23:48:32 GMT
You ready to share more of your pearls of wisdom? The only thing that may save us from a 5 nil loss is the weather. The Aussie bowling attack will skittle us ten times over the series. Aside from cook and root I really don't see much resistance in our line up. Our bowlers are going to have to perform far better than they have been just for us to be competitive. I really don't see us winning a test and... If you watch much cricket you'd agree. We have a mediocre bowling attack. We will struggle to take 20 wickets in a test match. That is not to say that we don't have the chance of a couple of batsmen making a stand a couple of times and giving us a Chance in the odd match. Form and odds suggest 5 0 ands that's the result I'd be betting on and... Much as I predicted, we are completely outclassed. Under pressure we are woeful. As I said at the beginning lythe is a walking wicket and balance and bell are in hopeless nick. We have a strong middle order and a mediocre bowling attack. No doubt Bispham will be on to tell me I know nothing and we are a team of world beaters The wise words of Abraham Lincoln seem appropriate; Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.It's a good job we don't watch as much cricket as he does Partick .......we may have had to agree with him ?
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 10, 2015 7:51:23 GMT
I'm glad we won. The two players I said we needed to perform root and cook did our middle order regularly collapsed and we were rarely put under any pressure. The one surprise for me was how well Broad bowled and how badly the Audsues batted.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2015 8:25:40 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in playing Anderson? there's no reason at all to risk him now the series is tied up. Tbh, I'd be tempted to replace Lyth with Geoffrey Boycott just to take the piss out of the Aussies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 9:56:40 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in playing Anderson? there's no reason at all to risk him now the series is tied up. Tbh, I'd be tempted to replace Lyth with Geoffrey Boycott just to take the piss out of the Aussies. No point risking Anderson I agree. I would make one change, Rashid for Lyth and move Moeen up to open the batting. I just want to see Rashid on the test stage and that's the best way of getting him in the team but protecting him so he can bowl in short spells.....
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2015 10:00:43 GMT
It would be the ideal time to give Rashid a go, I agree with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 10:23:17 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in playing Anderson? there's no reason at all to risk him now the series is tied up. Tbh, I'd be tempted to replace Lyth with Geoffrey Boycott just to take the piss out of the Aussies. No point risking Anderson I agree. I would make one change, Rashid for Lyth and move Moeen up to open the batting. I just want to see Rashid on the test stage and that's the best way of getting him in the team but protecting him so he can bowl in short spells..... No point at all in risking Anderson breaking down again .There is a big series coming up in South Africa after the Pakistan series , he will be needed for that ....I would also like to see Rashid given a run in the team , particularly with those games against the cheats coming up .....Moeen has done well down the order playing some nice little cameos ( some a little more than that ) and I think that's where he's best suited ....although he's obviously far better than a number eight ....to get Rashid into the side it would mean either leaving Moeen out , which would be harsh or dropping Lyth and opening with Moeen which you and several other posters have advocated ( I'm not really in favour of that but it could be the option ) ...it would only be a short term move though and you would still have the problem of a permanent opener , unless Moeen made a howling success of it ( which would be great ) of course ......Failing that as you say bring back Boycott ! ....he could also bowl his gentle little seamers from around the wicket ( with his cap on back to front of course ! )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 10:31:37 GMT
No point risking Anderson I agree. I would make one change, Rashid for Lyth and move Moeen up to open the batting. I just want to see Rashid on the test stage and that's the best way of getting him in the team but protecting him so he can bowl in short spells..... No point at all in risking Anderson breaking down again .There is a big series coming up in South Africa after the Pakistan series , he will be needed for that ....I would also like to see Rashid given a run in the team , particularly with those games against the cheats coming up .....Moeen has done well down the order playing some nice little cameos ( some a little more than that ) and I think that's where he's best suited ....although he's obviously far better than a number eight ....to get Rashid into the side it would mean either leaving Moeen out , which would be harsh or dropping Lyth and opening with Moeen which you and several other posters have advocated ( I'm not really in favour of that but it could be the option ) ...it would only be a short term move though and you would still have the problem of a permanent opener , unless Moeen made a howling success of it ( which would be great ) of course ......Failing that as you say bring back Boycott ! ....he could also bowl his gentle little seamers from around the wicket ( with his cap on back to front of course ! ) I think in the UAE they might go down the route of opening with Moeen as his 50/60 runs at number 8 will be far less important than having a match winning spinner in the team on those pitches. They'll probably look to replace Wood with an other off spinner as well leaving us with 3 seamers, 3 spinners (plus Root's part time spin). Be massive if we went there and won got to be the biggest challenge in test match cricket currently.....
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2015 11:21:45 GMT
You ready to share more of your pearls of wisdom? and... and... The wise words of Abraham Lincoln seem appropriate; Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.It's a good job we don't watch as much cricket as he does Partick .......we may have had to agree with him ? I don't care about him predicting England getting a drubbing. He wasn't alone in that. What I didn't appreciate was the pleasure he was taking in an, anticipated, heavy English defeat. He was alone in that - well apart from the Brisbane newspapers that is (a 29 year old medium paced bowler took 8-15 before lunch on the first day of the 4th test). : D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 11:26:28 GMT
It's a good job we don't watch as much cricket as he does Partick .......we may have had to agree with him ? I don't care about him predicting England getting a drubbing. He wasn't alone in that. What I didn't appreciate was the pleasure he was taking in an, anticipated, heavy English defeat. He was alone in that - well apart from the Brisbane newspapers that is (a 29 year old medium paced bowler took 8-15 before lunch on the first day of the 4th test). : D They still can't bring themselves to print his name can they ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 11:28:09 GMT
No point at all in risking Anderson breaking down again .There is a big series coming up in South Africa after the Pakistan series , he will be needed for that ....I would also like to see Rashid given a run in the team , particularly with those games against the cheats coming up .....Moeen has done well down the order playing some nice little cameos ( some a little more than that ) and I think that's where he's best suited ....although he's obviously far better than a number eight ....to get Rashid into the side it would mean either leaving Moeen out , which would be harsh or dropping Lyth and opening with Moeen which you and several other posters have advocated ( I'm not really in favour of that but it could be the option ) ...it would only be a short term move though and you would still have the problem of a permanent opener , unless Moeen made a howling success of it ( which would be great ) of course ......Failing that as you say bring back Boycott ! ....he could also bowl his gentle little seamers from around the wicket ( with his cap on back to front of course ! ) I think in the UAE they might go down the route of opening with Moeen as his 50/60 runs at number 8 will be far less important than having a match winning spinner in the team on those pitches. They'll probably look to replace Wood with an other off spinner as well leaving us with 3 seamers, 3 spinners (plus Root's part time spin). Be massive if we went there and won got to be the biggest challenge in test match cricket currently..... We were certainly found wanting last time out there .....let's hope for better this time.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2015 11:37:22 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in playing Anderson? there's no reason at all to risk him now the series is tied up. Tbh, I'd be tempted to replace Lyth with Geoffrey Boycott just to take the piss out of the Aussies. No point risking Anderson I agree. I would make one change, Rashid for Lyth and move Moeen up to open the batting. I just want to see Rashid on the test stage and that's the best way of getting him in the team but protecting him so he can bowl in short spells..... I think they'll give Lyth one last chance. It's possible Butler may be the one to make way, giving the gloves to Bairstow. Ali moving to 7 and Rashid at 8. I wouldn't do this though. Lyth should make way, with Ali opening. Let's see what he can do. I don't see them dropping a fast bowler - and nor should they.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 12, 2015 1:01:29 GMT
Brad Haddin's left the tour for family reasons, hope he's ok. Particularly if it's to do with his daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 1:13:41 GMT
Brad Haddin's left the tour for family reasons, hope he's ok. Particularly if it's to do with his daughter. That's a shame .....hope it's not serious ?
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