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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 23, 2015 12:43:57 GMT
Dear me, Dad's Army eh! Favourites to take the series maybe, but still a hill or two to climb before they step aboard the Qantas jet back to Sydney. Hopefully there's plenty of life left in the old codgers yet to take on the spritely, confident, English. Somehow I think the new name will spur them on a tad - that's possibly the first tactical error, or is it the second following Swann's outburst. You do realise it was an Aussie that referred to the current side as Dads Army? So quite how that's a tactical error by England I don't know. And what Swann said is nothing compared to the drivel we have to endure from McGrath, Warne etc before every series. They give it out the Aussies but they certainly don't like having it back.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 23, 2015 12:59:00 GMT
Dear me, Dad's Army eh! Favourites to take the series maybe, but still a hill or two to climb before they step aboard the Qantas jet back to Sydney. Hopefully there's plenty of life left in the old codgers yet to take on the spritely, confident, English. Somehow I think the new name will spur them on a tad - that's possibly the first tactical error, or is it the second following Swann's outburst. You do realise it was an Aussie that referred to the current side as Dads Army? So quite how that's a tactical error by England I don't know. And what Swann said is nothing compared to the drivel we have to endure from McGrath, Warne etc before every series. They give it out the Aussies but they certainly don't like having it back. Indeed and who can ever forget Little Mitchell crying to Jimmy Anderson "Why can't we just play cricket " or something like that at Perth, the Ashes aren't as clear cut as some people think Harris is recovering from injury, questionable whether mentally Johnson can play cricket in England such has been his past nightmares, Siddle is pretty average, Hazelwood is the new best young bowler in the world heard it all before with Pattinson and he didn't pull up any trees, Starc is the best of the lot but is no surprise packet having played for Yorkshire along with half the england team. If Cook and Root outscore Clarke and Smith and Anderson / Broad outbowl the opening Aussie pair I see England winning this series 2-1 or 2-0.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2015 20:27:23 GMT
Suddenly we seem to have some quick bowling options. Finn looks good, Wood great, Plunket good, Willey very promising and that Derbyshire lad they selected for the pre-Ashes tour.
Now - all we need is a spinner or two. Well, we've got one if we've got the balls to pick him.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 23, 2015 20:33:05 GMT
Suddenly we seem to have some quick bowling options. Finn looks good, Wood great, Plunket good, Willey very promising and that Derbyshire lad they selected for the pre-Ashes tour. Now - all we need is a spinner or two. Well, we've got one if we've got the balls to pick him. Yes and the Overton brothers, Topley and a little further down the line Fisher from Yorkshire amongst others.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 23, 2015 20:46:06 GMT
Suddenly we seem to have some quick bowling options. Finn looks good, Wood great, Plunket good, Willey very promising and that Derbyshire lad they selected for the pre-Ashes tour. Now - all we need is a spinner or two. Well, we've got one if we've got the balls to pick him. The decision not to play Rashid on the West Indies tour is looking more and more daft isn't it. FFS, who in their right mind thought Tredwell was the long term answer to the spinner problem? We'd be in a much better position now if we'd played Rashid - at least he'd either have a bit of experience now, or be looking for another option.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jun 23, 2015 21:08:31 GMT
Cook Lyth Root Bell Taylor Butler Stokes Rashid Broad Wood Anderson
This would be my team for the first test. I wouldn't pick Ballance and I'd move Root to 3 to stop the mini collapse we seem to suffer every time we lose the first wicket. I'd have Rashid in over Ali as I think he's the better bowler and deserves a chance.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2015 21:16:20 GMT
Suddenly we seem to have some quick bowling options. Finn looks good, Wood great, Plunket good, Willey very promising and that Derbyshire lad they selected for the pre-Ashes tour. Now - all we need is a spinner or two. Well, we've got one if we've got the balls to pick him. The decision not to play Rashid on the West Indies tour is looking more and more daft isn't it. FFS, who in their right mind thought Tredwell was the long term answer to the spinner problem? We'd be in a much better position now if we'd played Rashid - at least he'd either have a bit of experience now, or be looking for another option. No doubt in my mind that was a consequence of the conservatism of the Moores / Cook regime. Moores has gone - Cook remains. Cook, thankfully, seems to be back to his best with the bat. Which is so important. As a captain I remain unconvinced. His relationship with Broad is shocking. He seems to indulge his petulance when he should give him a kick up the arse. That said - if he scored runs, I'll be happy. Maybe Broad will get his act together. He's a senior pro in the side, do his mardy arse behaviour needs to go. He also knows there's quite a few folk now looking at his spot - a good incentive. His place ain't sacrosanct. Same gives for Bell. Half baked efforts should see both dumped.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2015 21:19:12 GMT
Cook Lyth Root Bell Taylor Butler Stokes Rashid Broad Wood Anderson This would be my team for the first test. I wouldn't pick Ballance and I'd move Root to 3 to stop the mini collapse we seem to suffer every time we lose the first wicket. I'd have Rashid in over Ali as I think he's the better bowler and deserves a chance. Looks good to me. Maybe Ali in ahead of Taylor. But I'm OK with either. Agree with Butler ahead of Stokes - he's a better bat. But the other way round is fine.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 23, 2015 23:19:49 GMT
The decision not to play Rashid on the West Indies tour is looking more and more daft isn't it. FFS, who in their right mind thought Tredwell was the long term answer to the spinner problem? We'd be in a much better position now if we'd played Rashid - at least he'd either have a bit of experience now, or be looking for another option. No doubt in my mind that was a consequence of the conservatism of the Moores / Cook regime. Moores has gone - Cook remains. Cook, thankfully, seems to be back to his best with the bat. Which is so important. As a captain I remain unconvinced. His relationship with Broad is shocking. He seems to indulge his petulance when he should give him a kick up the arse. That said - if he scored runs, I'll be happy. Maybe Broad will get his act together. He's a senior pro in the side, do his mardy arse behaviour needs to go. He also knows there's quite a few folk now looking at his spot - a good incentive. His place ain't sacrosanct. Same gives for Bell. Half baked efforts should see both dumped.
Totally agree mate, in fact I was the saying the same to my Dad the other night. Re: Rashid - my only rationalisation of not playing him in the Windies other than what you've said is they didn't want to play Rashid as if he did well, then they'd struggle to get Ali back in. And I think they see Ali as part of the core team now (much as an Ali fan, he's not there yet).
On the Broad topic - Cook really needs to give him a kick up the arse at times. Ditch the short pitch bowling comfort blanket. Maybe even give Wood the new ball.
There's too much job security for the 'old boys' in the team. For example, what chance do you reckon that we won't see this team for the first Test (and probably the first 3) if we don't have injuries: Cook, Lythe, Balance, Bell, Root, Stokes, Butler, Ali, Broad, Wood, Anderson?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:45:39 GMT
Dear me, Dad's Army eh! Favourites to take the series maybe, but still a hill or two to climb before they step aboard the Qantas jet back to Sydney. Hopefully there's plenty of life left in the old codgers yet to take on the spritely, confident, English. Somehow I think the new name will spur them on a tad - that's possibly the first tactical error, or is it the second following Swann's outburst. You are still English Syd ......no matter what
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:50:23 GMT
Dear me, Dad's Army eh! Favourites to take the series maybe, but still a hill or two to climb before they step aboard the Qantas jet back to Sydney. Hopefully there's plenty of life left in the old codgers yet to take on the spritely, confident, English. Somehow I think the new name will spur them on a tad - that's possibly the first tactical error, or is it the second following Swann's outburst. You do realise it was an Aussie that referred to the current side as Dads Army? So quite how that's a tactical error by England I don't know. And what Swann said is nothing compared to the drivel we have to endure from McGrath, Warne etc before every series. They give it out the Aussies but they certainly don't like having it back. It's all been said before mate .....don't worry about it ....when you think about it , it is slightly pathetic .....a two hundred year old inferioty complex is a hard thing to overcome though ( sorry Syd you have only been over there 40 years , you are in the clear ! )
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jun 24, 2015 0:01:22 GMT
The bottom line is they will bowl us out far easier than we will bowl them out and my take is 3-1 to the Aussies This. Although if weather sets fair for the summer I can see 5-0. Rashid has to play (he won't), i like the look of Wood (not in a gay way)....Ballance will be dropped after the 2nd test. They are my initial predictions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 0:10:14 GMT
The bottom line is they will bowl us out far easier than we will bowl them out and my take is 3-1 to the Aussies This. Although if weather sets fair for the summer I can see 5-0. Rashid has to play (he won't), i like the look of Wood (not in a gay way)....Ballance will be dropped after the 2nd test. They are my initial predictions. Ah ! Predictions ......you never know where you are with them ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 0:13:57 GMT
Cook Lyth Root Bell Taylor Butler Stokes Rashid Broad Wood Anderson This would be my team for the first test. I wouldn't pick Ballance and I'd move Root to 3 to stop the mini collapse we seem to suffer every time we lose the first wicket. I'd have Rashid in over Ali as I think he's the better bowler and deserves a chance. Looks good to me. Maybe Ali in ahead of Taylor. But I'm OK with either. Agree with Butler ahead of Stokes - he's a better bat. But the other way round is fine. I'm not sure I would play Moeen as well as Rashid ? Is that what you are suggesting , perhaps I've misunderstood ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 24, 2015 0:37:06 GMT
Looks good to me. Maybe Ali in ahead of Taylor. But I'm OK with either. Agree with Butler ahead of Stokes - he's a better bat. But the other way round is fine. I'm not sure I would play Moeen as well as Rashid ? Is that what you are suggesting , perhaps I've misunderstood ? I don't think Moeen is in there Bisph: Cook Lyth Root Bell Taylor Butler Stokes Rashid Broad Wood Anderson If I had a bit more faith in Moeen's batting then I'd like to see him in there instead of Taylor (who I'm a big fan of too). It would be good to play two spinners - turning the ball both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 0:55:15 GMT
I'm not sure I would play Moeen as well as Rashid ? Is that what you are suggesting , perhaps I've misunderstood ? I don't think Moeen is in there Bisph: Cook Lyth Root Bell Taylor Butler Stokes Rashid Broad Wood Anderson If I had a bit more faith in Moeen's batting then I'd like to see him in there instead of Taylor (who I'm a big fan of too). It would be good to play two spinners - turning the ball both ways. [/quote Yes mate I'd like to see two spinners ( old fashioned though that may be ) .....I'm not sure of one good one at present
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 24, 2015 1:03:36 GMT
I don't think Moeen is in there Bisph: Cook Lyth Root Bell Taylor Butler Stokes Rashid Broad Wood Anderson If I had a bit more faith in Moeen's batting then I'd like to see him in there instead of Taylor (who I'm a big fan of too). It would be good to play two spinners - turning the ball both ways. [/quote Yes mate I'd like to see two spinners ( old fashioned though that may be ) .....I'm not sure of one good one at present ...but at least they can both bat a bit! Moeen has at least demonstrated it against the Indians - who should be able to play a bit of spin. I think this will be his big summer. Come through this and he'll be a recognised Test spinner. If not, he'll disappear into county obscurity.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 24, 2015 5:24:07 GMT
Looks good to me. Maybe Ali in ahead of Taylor. But I'm OK with either. Agree with Butler ahead of Stokes - he's a better bat. But the other way round is fine. I'm not sure I would play Moeen as well as Rashid ? Is that what you are suggesting , perhaps I've misunderstood ? Yeah - but with Ali as a #5 bat who can also contribute as a more than useful second spinner; Rashid being the 1st. I don't think there's much to choose between Ali and Taylor as batsmen. I'd be happy with either in the side.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 27, 2015 16:25:52 GMT
The Aussies look impressive in their warm up game against Kent.
Meanwhile were heading for the Costa del Sol for some Spanish bonding.
Hmmmmmm.
I'd have thought we'd have benefited from some 4 day cricket. But what do I know!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 18:31:26 GMT
The Aussies look impressive in their warm up game against Kent. Meanwhile were heading for the Costa del Sol for some Spanish bonding. Hmmmmmm. I'd have thought we'd have benefited from some 4 day cricket. But what do I know! A question I sometimes ask myself mate ......nearly fifty years invollvment in the game and I'm still amazed at some of the things I read .....the game moves on I suppose while " dinosaurs " like myself invariably die out .
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 27, 2015 19:08:35 GMT
The Aussies look impressive in their warm up game against Kent. Meanwhile were heading for the Costa del Sol for some Spanish bonding. Hmmmmmm. I'd have thought we'd have benefited from some 4 day cricket. But what do I know! A question I sometimes ask myself mate ......nearly fifty years invollvment in the game and I'm still amazed at some of the things I read .....the game moves on I suppose while " dinosaurs " like myself invariably die out . We have to hope they know what they are doing. We have the talent. The question is, do we allow it to flourish. Seen some encouraging signs against a very good New Zealand. Now we need to stick it to the Aussies. If only to make the author of this article swallow his smart arse arrogant words.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 27, 2015 19:14:10 GMT
Cook Lyth Balance Root Stokes Butler Ali Rashid Wood Broad Anderson
(Bell in for Rashid if it's not a spinning pitch, moving Root back to 5th)
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 27, 2015 19:19:08 GMT
Cook Lyth Balance Root Stokes Butler Ali Rashid Wood Broad Anderson (Bell in for Rashid if it's not a spinning pitch, moving Root back to 5th) Stokes ain't a test match #5. Love him, but he's a slogger. Need a proper batsman there.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 27, 2015 19:24:13 GMT
I did think the same after I posted it .. But I think Bell has "gone" tbh and needs replacing. Not convinced Taylor is that man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 20:46:30 GMT
A question I sometimes ask myself mate ......nearly fifty years invollvment in the game and I'm still amazed at some of the things I read .....the game moves on I suppose while " dinosaurs " like myself invariably die out . We have to hope they know what they are doing. We have the talent. The question is, do we allow it to flourish. Seen some encouraging signs against a very good New Zealand. Now we need to stick it to the Aussies. If only to make the author of this article swallow his smart arse arrogant words. You have to take nonsense like that with a pinch of salt Partick ........they are always more chirpier when they are on top ....not so when they are getting beat ....Melbourne looked very strange when it was devoid of spectators in 2010 didn't it ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 27, 2015 21:26:05 GMT
The Aussies look impressive in their warm up game against Kent. Meanwhile were heading for the Costa del Sol for some Spanish bonding. Hmmmmmm. I'd have thought we'd have benefited from some 4 day cricket. But what do I know! Surely Moeen would have benefited more with a few more competitive overs than playing golf and team meetings?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 22:21:02 GMT
The Aussies look impressive in their warm up game against Kent. Meanwhile were heading for the Costa del Sol for some Spanish bonding. Hmmmmmm. I'd have thought we'd have benefited from some 4 day cricket. But what do I know! Surely Moeen would have benefited more with a few more competitive overs than playing golf and team meetings? Strange times we are living in .....boot camps for England cricketers in the middle of the summer .....? I am going outside ...I may be sometime ...
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 29, 2015 20:29:23 GMT
Well - that just isn't right. The Aussies being sporting in congratulating that young Kent opener in scoring, what was by all accounts, a superb ton against them. How dare they start playing the good sportsmen card. Must be a devious tactic to disarm us. Sneaky lot those baggy greens.
Interesting time in the County Championship - a double ton for Bairstow (and a big one for Bresnan) against Durham. Sussex having 4 centurions in an innings. Meanwhile our boys are having fun in a water park (possibly) ahead if the Ashes opener next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:13:40 GMT
Well - that just isn't right. The Aussies being sporting in congratulating that young Kent opener in scoring, what was by all accounts, a superb ton against them. How dare they start playing the good sportsmen card. Must be a devious tactic to disarm us. Sneaky lot those baggy greens. Interesting time in the County Championship - a double ton for Bairstow (and a big one for Bresnan) against Durham. Sussex having 4 centurions in an innings. Meanwhile our boys are having fun in a water park (possibly) ahead if the Ashes opener next week. The Game has moved on .....so they tell me
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Jun 29, 2015 22:37:33 GMT
We are playing the Aussies again. We seem to be playing them every 6 months at the moment.
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