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Post by fentoninbloom on Sept 14, 2015 22:13:52 GMT
If you choose to disagree with the Oxford English Dictionary over the definition of a word in English then that's your business. With respect, I'll take their definition over that of some bloke on a football forum. From the same dictionary claustraphobia Extreme or irrational FEAR of confined places Acrophobia Extreme or irrational FEAR of heights Agoraphobia Extreme FEAR of open spaces Theirs numerous examples and none describe the phobia as hate or prejudice simply because a phobia is a fear. A phobia is a medical condition and nothing more. So you accept those Oxford English Dictionary definitions but not the ones for homophobia or islamophobia? How odd. There are many Greek-derived words in the English language, some of which have retained an element of literal meaning from the ancient Greek, some of which have evolved to mean subtly or wholly different things. Like I say, feel free to ignore the dictionary definition of homophobia or islamophobia if it inconveniences your argument or upsets you but the fact remains that you ARE disagreeing with the dictionary definition.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 14, 2015 22:22:17 GMT
From the same dictionary claustraphobia Extreme or irrational FEAR of confined places Acrophobia Extreme or irrational FEAR of heights Agoraphobia Extreme FEAR of open spaces Theirs numerous examples and none describe the phobia as hate or prejudice simply because a phobia is a fear. A phobia is a medical condition and nothing more. So you accept those Oxford English Dictionary definitions but not the ones for homophobia or islamophobia? How odd. There are many Greek-derived words in the English language, some of which have retained an element of literal meaning from the ancient Greek, some of which have evolved to mean subtly or wholly different things. Like I say, feel free to ignore the dictionary definition of homophobia or islamophobia if it inconveniences your argument or upsets you but the fact remains that you ARE disagreeing with the dictionary definition. This guy seems to agree with me
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Post by fentoninbloom on Sept 14, 2015 22:36:56 GMT
So you accept those Oxford English Dictionary definitions but not the ones for homophobia or islamophobia? How odd. There are many Greek-derived words in the English language, some of which have retained an element of literal meaning from the ancient Greek, some of which have evolved to mean subtly or wholly different things. Like I say, feel free to ignore the dictionary definition of homophobia or islamophobia if it inconveniences your argument or upsets you but the fact remains that you ARE disagreeing with the dictionary definition. This guy seems to agree with me He doesn't reference fear once does he. Even if he did, I'm still taking Oxford Uni's word for it over the opinions of random people from the Internet.
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Post by trentvegas on Sept 14, 2015 22:50:13 GMT
The last thing I am is a Jeremy Corbyn fan but I am telling you if you hate The SNP this is a spectacular result, overall in The UK, Corbyn will prove unelectable so dont worry. I expect Labour to win a few seats back in Scotland come the next election, this guy is right up their street
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Post by trentvegas on Sept 15, 2015 1:08:05 GMT
To add.. Corbyn, although true to his beliefs and noble, will end up even more of a joke than Milliband, England will never accept such a risk in a general election, for every plank who thinks Corbyn will de-throne The Tories, you just wait until him and his cronies start opening their mouths and unleashing vitriol bullshit
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Post by themistocles on Sept 15, 2015 9:27:53 GMT
Let's see what this anti war,pro IRA Hamas, hesbolar and Isis sympathizer's behavior is like on remembrance Sunday.
He's supposedly wearing a white poppy the disrespectful, insulting cockrot.
Seriously though, what British person ( apart from immigrants ) would vote for this anti British loon.
Labour Havnt got an ounce of patriotism left in them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:05:39 GMT
There is no question whatsoever that it was bombs & bullets that bought the British Government to the negotiating table. Ask Michael Oatley (MI5 Londonderry Office). And let us not forget that despite the excoriation by the tabloid press of Ken Livingstone for talking to the IRA in the 1980s..the British Government continued talking to the IRA within days of Mountbatten/Warrenpoint. And let us never forget that it was a Labour Government that brought about peace in Northern Ireland and a Conservative one that partitioned Ireland in the first fucking place. The only 'mentally ill' people are those that lack the intellectual capacity to differentiate Historical fact from the vapid dross that they read. You see Wizz there you go bringing fact into the discussion....how dare you ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) What - facts like this... Would this be the Good Friday Agreement which was kicked off by John Major's government and just happened to be signed when Blair was in power?
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 15, 2015 10:32:39 GMT
You see Wizz there you go bringing fact into the discussion....how dare you ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif) What - facts like this... Would this be the Good Friday Agreement which was kicked off by John Major's government and just happened to be signed when Blair was in power? In fairness, the search for peace in Northern Ireland transcended party politics. Respect is due to both Major and Blair for what they achieved.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 15, 2015 13:58:55 GMT
The last thing I am is a Jeremy Corbyn fan but I am telling you if you hate The SNP this is a spectacular result, overall in The UK, Corbyn will prove unelectable so dont worry. I expect Labour to win a few seats back in Scotland come the next election, this guy is right up their street Hate eh?
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 15, 2015 14:00:54 GMT
To add.. Corbyn, although true to his beliefs and noble, will end up even more of a joke than Milliband, England will never accept such a risk in a general election, for every plank who thinks Corbyn will de-throne The Tories, you just wait until him and his cronies start opening their mouths and unleashing vitriol bullshit Vitriol bullshit eh? Oh dear somebody's rattled. ![>:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/3fpOQXhXVXuSM73B6hK4.gif)
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 15, 2015 14:02:44 GMT
Let's see what this anti war,pro IRA Hamas, hesbolar and Isis sympathizer's behavior is like on remembrance Sunday. He's supposedly wearing a white poppy the disrespectful, insulting cockrot. Seriously though, what British person ( apart from immigrants ) would vote for this anti British loon. Labour Havnt got an ounce of patriotism left in them. Jesus, and i thought the last one was Rattled. This one's pure hysterical. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Where do you people pick up these ahem, er.... "facts"?
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 15, 2015 15:34:58 GMT
Let's see what this anti war,pro IRA Hamas, hesbolar and Isis sympathizer's behavior is like on remembrance Sunday. He's supposedly wearing a white poppy the disrespectful, insulting cockrot. Seriously though, what British person ( apart from immigrants ) would vote for this anti British loon. Labour Havnt got an ounce of patriotism left in them. Jesus, and i thought the last one was Rattled. This one's pure hysterical. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Where do you people pick up these ahem, er.... "facts"? I think it's going to help if you at least recognise that Corbyn is not very popular outside his own fan base. That's part of the problem and part of the thing the moderates are (or rather were) worried about. As laissez-fair as you want to be about it Corbyn is proving to be rather divisive. A good question to ask would be "how many floating voters are going to be attracted to an anti-austerity anti- nuclear, anti-NATO and EU withdrawal programme? I know some on here would probably vote for anti-EU policies given the established UKIP quota. But everything else altogether at the same time??
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Post by salopstick on Sept 15, 2015 15:39:50 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 15, 2015 15:44:51 GMT
The only issue there, potentially, is the poppy wearing. Corbyn isn't the first person to not sing "God Save The Queen". Moving on....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2015 16:07:13 GMT
Salop True. It is not JUST the patriotic question but issues of the economy and defence. Corbyn is a good sincere man who has the underdog and disadvantaged at heart. Unfortunately his ideals, which may well be admirable, include some beliefs which will provide the press with a field day and will not appeal to the middle ground which he needs to win an election. Even his own party have these doubts, although has some have intimated the Labour party is effectively a new party at the moment. Probably the worst thing which can happen to the Labour party at the moment is for him to be undermined by those in his cabinet. A decision on the EU membership, the greatest question for the country for a generation, and one which will determine our future as a country, will make or break him/the party.
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Sept 15, 2015 16:15:01 GMT
If Mr Corbyn wishes to remove the Trident missile system, then by extension I'd say all Submarines would be removed as they're all nuclear powered. Now we're either going to get a new Diesel electric submarine flotilla or nothing at all. During the last Defence review/cuts, no submarines were scrapped and no submariners made redundant. There is a reason for that.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 15, 2015 16:33:50 GMT
Corbyn a guy with real liberal views and politics. The establishment is in the midst of freaking out right now and it's funny to watch their scare tactics because they have no moral ground to win the political debate.
Cameron views are emailed to him every day direct from The Sun editor who in turn got them from Rupert
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 15, 2015 16:34:01 GMT
If Mr Corbyn wishes to remove the Trident missile system, then by extension I'd say all Submarines would be removed as they're all nuclear powered. Now we're either going to get a new Diesel electric submarine flotilla or nothing at all. During the last Defence review/cuts, no submarines were scrapped and no submariners made redundant. There is a reason for that. Not being an expert on defence matters ( or much else for that matter ) I would imagine as a weopons system our nuclear deterrent is good value for money
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Post by salopstick on Sept 15, 2015 16:35:29 GMT
The only issue there, potentially, is the poppy wearing. Corbyn isn't the first person to not sing "God Save The Queen". Moving on.... The public will move on from corbyn because behaviour such as this is political suicide Any good ideas and policies he has gets swallowed by his extreme views and behaviour such as this. A couple of thousand people giving him an ovation at the TUC conference won't change things. Politics unfortunately is also about style as well as substance. His obituary may say he had good ideals and policies but it will also say he lost by a massive landslide.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 15, 2015 16:38:58 GMT
Corbyn a guy with real liberal views and politics. The establishment is in the midst of freaking out right now and it's funny to watch their scare tactics because they have no moral ground to win the political debate. Cameron views are emailed to him every day direct from The Sun editor who in turn got them from Rupert It doesn't really matter what Cameron or Corbyn say in the media or what ideology they spout . Elections are fought , won and lost on the middle ground .they will vote for competence and sustainable economic policies , NOTHING ELSE will matter .
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Post by starkiller on Sept 15, 2015 18:05:14 GMT
Corbyn a guy with real liberal views and politics. The establishment is in the midst of freaking out right now and it's funny to watch their scare tactics because they have no moral ground to win the political debate. Cameron views are emailed to him every day direct from The Sun editor who in turn got them from Rupert It doesn't really matter what Cameron or Corbyn say in the media or what ideology they spout . Elections are fought , won and lost on the middle ground .they will vote for competence and sustainable economic policies , NOTHING ELSE will matter . They vote on FEAR. A bit like the 'be careful what you wish for' types who posted on here.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 15, 2015 18:12:24 GMT
Perfectly appropriate not to sing a song to a Nazi sympathiser during this occasion. And that ditty is definitely NOT a 'National Anthem'.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 15, 2015 18:23:32 GMT
All these predictions, all this advice. Proper rattled you lot because he offers hope, not fear. You've seen how a movement changed Scotland and you're seeing the start of it here, it's an energy you can't ignore.
The media have been at his throat since his name was even mentioned, doesn't seem to have made much difference so far does it..... other than to provide you lot some sound bite and twisted truth ammunition to fire on here that is. Something's changing and it's going to make the old "middle ground" rule mean nothing.
When he toured for the election he was getting thousands turning up at every venue. Every single one. Compare that to the empty warehouses Cameron spoke in during the last election.
Yep, you're rattled.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 15, 2015 18:45:33 GMT
![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12003941_10207305358335362_4880430453028175410_n.jpg?oh=bf8ebbf3b515c9e732d173937e60fb89&oe=5669EC72) Just for balance.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2015 18:53:48 GMT
![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12003941_10207305358335362_4880430453028175410_n.jpg?7oh=bf8ebbf3b515c9e732d173937e60fb89&oe=5669EC72) Just for balance. That's probably correct Huddy, but like anyone who threatens the establishment, in my posts at least, everything he does is going to be ultra scrutinised and criticised, to the point where the electorate will quite probably be convinced about his disloyalty/inadequacy etc. Add the party's own criticism and it is going to be very difficult for Jeremy to be accepted. (Perhaps a ridiculous analogy but supposedly the western world is based on Christ, a good man?, and he was crucified)
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 15, 2015 18:58:24 GMT
The only issue there, potentially, is the poppy wearing. Corbyn isn't the first person to not sing "God Save The Queen". Moving on.... The public will move on from corbyn because behaviour such as this is political suicide Any good ideas and policies he has gets swallowed by his extreme views and behaviour such as this. A couple of thousand people giving him an ovation at the TUC conference won't change things. Politics unfortunately is also about style as well as substance. His obituary may say he had good ideals and policies but it will also say he lost by a massive landslide. I get all of that. I just don't see how not singing "God Save The Queen" is such a big deal.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2015 19:01:43 GMT
All these predictions, all this advice. Proper rattled you lot because he offers hope, not fear. You've seen how a movement changed Scotland and you're seeing the start of it here, it's an energy you can't ignore. The media have been at his throat since his name was even mentioned, doesn't seem to have made much difference so far does it..... other than to provide you lot some sound bite and twisted truth ammunition to fire on here that is. Something's changing and it's going to make the old "middle ground" rule mean nothing. When he toured for the election he was getting thousands turning up at every venue. Every single one. Compare that to the empty warehouses Cameron spoke in during the last election. Yep, you're rattled. To a degree Billy I hope that you are right, because a second term of the Tories could be brutal.But , as you say, he is up against the media, and they will be relentless.I know that you don't like me saying this, but his stance on the EU referendum is going to be decisive/potentially explosive (NOTHING to do with UKIP, something the Labour party ( and the Tories) have to address in their own right)
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Post by starkiller on Sept 15, 2015 19:02:10 GMT
What a surprise - corporate media protecting corporate interests.
They very media that were using every disgusting tactic under the sun to slate him for weeks and weeks, spit their dummy out when he didn't speak to them.
They've met their match and the corporate media are seriously worried they are losing their grip on the nation's minds.
And losing it, they are... People are tired of the bullshit
Corbyn could well be first to become increasingly popular without any media support at all.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 15, 2015 19:02:12 GMT
It doesn't really matter what Cameron or Corbyn say in the media or what ideology they spout . Elections are fought , won and lost on the middle ground .they will vote for competence and sustainable economic policies , NOTHING ELSE will matter . They vote on FEAR. A bit like the 'be careful what you wish for' types who posted on here. Very well said , voters do vote on fear , fear of history repeating itself . Look my politics aren't to far from the centre and I'm sure I would agree with some of what Corbyn says , labour cannot deliver on the economy . Never have done . Ultimately labours economic incompetence always hurts the very people they claim to represent
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Post by salopstick on Sept 15, 2015 19:06:51 GMT
![](https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12003941_10207305358335362_4880430453028175410_n.jpg?oh=bf8ebbf3b515c9e732d173937e60fb89&oe=5669EC72) Just for balance. the Secretary of State for defence is not trying to convince the country he is fit to be PM. And wether you agree or not a lot of people won't like this sort of behaviour on his first official function. It won't win him votes. Surprising as I thought he was in the business of winning votes.
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