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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 24, 2015 10:29:33 GMT
Someone needs to call out Camoron, Gideon and Ian Dumbcunt Smith and the fraud that is known as "austerity". The poorest and most vulnerable targetted, essential services cut, millions put out of work, wages cut. All while the richest doubled their wealth and corporations continued to avoid paying a penny in tax. And that bunch of illegal immigrant scroungers (the royal family) had their money increased. The Tories saw through new legislation that increased tax breaks for the richest, anonymity and immunity from prosecution for dodgy offshore accounts - which our very own chancellor has. Well at least you know what you're going to get with the Conservatives, what do the non Corbyn candidates stand for? |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 24, 2015 10:47:34 GMT
Now i've just had a good read of that article and as much as it is food for thought i found it to be preaching with the knowledge of hindsight, as if he had known this all along and as such so should have Corbyn. If that's the case then surely this applies to absolutely everybody else at the time, was he himself shouting it from the rooftops? The author then claims to be a champion of the Kurds in several areas but he somehow fails to mention the current situation regarding these in Turkey where they are being attacked and classed as a terrorist organisation by one of our own NATO allies.......quite an omission. A really desperate attempt to discredit Corbyn by using the complex nature of the crisis in Syria and Iraq, nothing else. Edit: Thanks for the share though, that website is definitely worthy of surfing. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 24, 2015 11:15:37 GMT
Now i've just had a good read of that article and as much as it is food for thought i found it to be preaching with the knowledge of hindsight, as if he had known this all along and as such so should have Corbyn. If that's the case then surely this applies to absolutely everybody else at the time, was he himself shouting it from the rooftops? The author then claims to be a champion of the Kurds in several areas but he somehow fails to mention the current situation regarding these in Turkey where they are being attacked and classed as a terrorist organisation by one of our own NATO allies.......quite an omission. A really desperate attempt to discredit Corbyn by using the complex nature of the crisis in Syria and Iraq, nothing else. Edit: Thanks for the share though, that website is definitely worthy of surfing. Yeah I'd pretty much agree with that. The only aside to that article is that I am no fan of Corbyn's foreign policy stance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 17:00:07 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 25, 2015 8:04:57 GMT
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 28, 2015 21:58:34 GMT
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 1, 2015 15:09:08 GMT
Wow this thread had some legs, seems an aeon since I posted on it.
I suppose my position remains the same. Labour faces a long period in opposition once the Tories get round to gerrymandering the English constituency boundaries. It will take 3 terms minimum before the stench of sleaze becomes sufficiently noxious in enough peoples noses for them to be in danger of losing a parliamentary majority.
On that basis a leader for opposition is exactly what Labour needs. Someone to galvanise and rekindle the enthusiasm both of the party membership and the left in general. Corbyn would appear to be that man.
I'll just have a read and see what has been said...
* Jeez - 3+ terms could quite possibly see me out  |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 1, 2015 18:11:42 GMT
Channel 4 Labour Leadership Debate (need to peddle in about 6 1/2 minutes)
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 1, 2015 22:22:30 GMT
Thought Burnham did reasonably well during the debate..trying his best to 'heal the divisions' but Cooper's dislike of Corbyn and her constant repetition of Conservative Party Economics (a subject she has repeatedly failed to either understand or articulate) made her look like everything Labour voters don't want...Conservative Lite. Vaccous and opportunist.
Liz Kendall was anonymous.
You really can understand why people won't vote Labour with these sorts leading The Party. Nobody says anything. Constant repetition of nothing. Nothing to add nothing to say.
And that's why Corbyn is so popular..like him or love him at least he has something to say. Something that is quite powerful. Something worth saying.Something that threatens the Status-Quo. And I haven't heard that for a very long time. (they only played 3 chords anyway).
And like any Politician with a message worth listening to, be it Enoch Powell or Tony Benn, expect Corbyn to be slaughtered. 'Shoot The Messenger then the Message gets Lost' as always.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 2, 2015 6:23:39 GMT
One of Corbyn's big problems is going to be the media digging up (and painting in the worst possible light) his history. For example this from the Telegraph this morning.
An indication of what the future holds if / when Corbyn wins.
It ain't going to be pretty.
But you can't say you haven't been warned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 6:27:36 GMT
The Labour party seem to me like a private corporate organisation who have completely lost their place in the market . They seem to have an obsolete product, and are now floundering to come up with something/anything which the public will buy. They seem that they will back anything, within reason as long as they become commercially successful. Seems like they are trying to sell vinyl records in the digital age, some people believe that the sound quality was better, but those days will never return. To return to anything near to Blair's approach, well they may as well become a slightly moderated Tory party. Or, poles apart , is Corbyn the way to go?. I don't say this with any pleasure, but I just cannot see where they go from here. Any suggestions about what would work for them? |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 2, 2015 6:51:54 GMT
One of Corbyn's big problems is going to be the media digging up (and painting in the worst possible light) his history. For example this from the Telegraph this morning. An indication of what the future holds if / when Corbyn wins. It ain't going to be pretty. But you can't say you haven't been warned. If Corbyn wins...he faces a tough to struggle to keep the party behind him precisely because of what you say. For most of the members I've spoken to his neo-pacifist, unilateral, anti-American foreign policy stance rather than his economic policy is the main source of worry. Most party members aren't that bothered about what Mr Corbyn has done previously so much as they are concerned about what he's advocating going forwards. Which isn't to say who he's cavorted with historically hasn't gone unnoticed. If Corbyn wins he won't stay leader of the Labour Party for very long. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2015 7:49:14 GMT
One of Corbyn's big problems is going to be the media digging up (and painting in the worst possible light) his history. For example this from the Telegraph this morning. An indication of what the future holds if / when Corbyn wins. It ain't going to be pretty. But you can't say you haven't been warned. If Corbyn wins...he faces a tough to struggle to keep the party behind him precisely because of what you say. For most of the members I've spoken to his neo-pacifist, unilateral, anti-American foreign policy stance rather than his economic policy is the main source of worry. Most party members aren't that bothered about what Mr Corbyn has done previously so much as they are concerned about what he's advocating going forwards. Which isn't to say who he's cavorted with historically hasn't gone unnoticed. If Corbyn wins he won't stay leader of the Labour Party for very long.   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 9:27:15 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Sept 2, 2015 12:02:47 GMT
Krishnan Guru-Murthy is a shocking 'journalist' as he's shown on more than one occasion. The Daily Mail is even worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:16:42 GMT
Corbyn seems to have the extraordinary ability to attract losers wherever he goes .....a bit like flies on a turd . I think they deserve one another . What will be their excuse when Labour has been overtaken in the polls by the " Goths and Lesbians poodle alliance Party " ?   Here we go .......This is what the country think ......12% behind already ... ukpollingreport.co.ukFantastic effort int eet .......ROll up Roll up ......I mean you no harm . I'm a really nice man with a flat cap , a bike and a dog called Stalinov |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 2, 2015 18:00:59 GMT
Already labour have a faction aimed at toppling the next leader (Corbin)
:-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 14:08:43 GMT
Basically , if you vote for Corbyn (because he's very honest , with good principles et etc ) you are voting for someone who in terms of the electorate as a whole is completely unelectable and detested .
Personally , I wouldn't vote for him for this one reason .
The rest is immaterial .
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 6, 2015 14:33:41 GMT
Basically , if you vote for Corbyn (because he's very honest , with good principles et etc ) you are voting for someone who in terms of the electorate as a whole is completely unelectable and detested . Personally , I wouldn't vote for him for this one reason . The rest is immaterial . Even his own party are saying his economic policies would be a disaster |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2015 14:42:44 GMT
Basically , if you vote for Corbyn (because he's very honest , with good principles et etc ) you are voting for someone who in terms of the electorate as a whole is completely unelectable and detested . Personally , I wouldn't vote for him for this one reason . The rest is immaterial . Even his own party are saying his economic policies would be a disaster And they are perfectly placed to comment after their recent record, he will be the death of the Labour party. |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 6, 2015 14:55:28 GMT
Even his own party are saying his economic policies would be a disaster he will be the death of the Labour party. Thankfully. And good riddance |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 6, 2015 17:51:07 GMT
He may well be a genius - but you've dropped a clanger. Cut and pasting articles in full breaks MB rules for a good reason - you're breaking copyright. You should have provided a link to the Guardian article you took this from. Tut, tut, tut. That said, it's an interesting piece. But as usual with Stuart Lee - selective and verbose. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 6, 2015 18:07:09 GMT
Not wanting to jump the gun, supposing Corbyn is elected leader I guess that the two immediate challenges for him are; forming his own cabinet , if allowed to do so, in light of the possible revival of the election of cabinet members in the Party ( as I understand it), whilst maintaining party unity. Some within the party may be surprised that they can work within his framework .
Secondly the Party conference.
For me the next issue for his leadership will be the EU referendum and immigration
I believe that he may (want to) support the "out" option.I don't think that some in the party could go that far. Of course other events could transpire to make his stance easier.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 6, 2015 18:56:59 GMT
ARRRRRHHGHGHGHGHG!!!!!! ..............he want's to marry the decomposing body of Bin-Laden!!!!!!!AAAGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
Some fucker please ignore democracy and install Farage as leader of the whole Western World!!!!!! Pleeeaseee44444!!!
Corbyn is Satan. No............ he actually is.
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Post by kbillyh on Sept 6, 2015 18:57:56 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 6, 2015 20:00:18 GMT
Basically , if you vote for Corbyn (because he's very honest , with good principles et etc ) you are voting for someone who in terms of the electorate as a whole is completely unelectable and detested . Personally , I wouldn't vote for him for this one reason . The rest is immaterial . Even his own party are saying his economic policies would be a disaster His own party who by and large have been supporting pro austerity politics for the last 6 years. There are many in his own party who do support his policies, believe me. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 6, 2015 20:14:51 GMT
Even his own party are saying his economic policies would be a disaster And they are perfectly placed to comment after their recent record, he will be the death of the Labour party. The same labour party who lost 6 million votes since 1997? Do try and keep up. Mind you as you're leaving us soon I suspect it's no longer your concern eh? |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 6, 2015 20:26:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 20:51:54 GMT
If you have a captive audience of a particular type that has plenty of time to indulge themselves in such left wing idealist rhetoric punctuated with satirical bullshit and parody , then the above article is perfect for the purpose it was written .
If however you live in the real world and eminate from a more humble Union back ground , then you're more inclined to cut the article up into 6" squares and hang them the shithouse door .
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 6, 2015 20:54:36 GMT
And they are perfectly placed to comment after their recent record, he will be the death of the Labour party. The same labour party who lost 6 million votes since 1997? Do try and keep up. Mind you as you're leaving us soon I suspect it's no longer your concern eh? As a soon to be ex pat. I will be exercising my right to vote in the interests of my children who will still be residing in the UK for another few years, I even thought about relocating to Thailand but I might bump into ************** when he travels over for his  morning visits. |
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morning visits.
