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Post by Biblical on Aug 17, 2015 12:13:30 GMT
He's playing it because it's the only card he has left . We all read the same comments . I've not hurled any abuse at him at all . He's playing the victim . I asked Momo for his opinion and Huddy decided to have a dig . It's nice to know that others can see what his tactics are and what he's trying to do . Pretty pathetic to be honest . To quote some of your more recent insults "Are you homosoexual?" Are you queer? "Arsewipe" "I've shit better" "Your life in your squalid council flat" Just a few aimed directly at me recently, so you not remember mumf? You delusional hypocritical fool. I'm not surprised mumf hasn't replied to this post, it's difficult to argue against the facts and he's been shown to be a liar. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 17, 2015 13:44:52 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable".......  It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 17, 2015 14:16:43 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. For what it is worth I do agree with you. At least Corbyn is a breath of fresh air , and not a career politician.I guess he is as surprised as anyone to be in the position he is, a place coveted by David Milliband. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2015 14:27:14 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. The same David Milliband who would have been Labours best leader and quite possibly PM now, however the Unions decided to elect his useless brother  |
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Post by robstokie on Aug 17, 2015 17:37:31 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. The same David Milliband who would have been Labours best leader and quite possibly PM now, however the Unions decided to elect his useless brother The fact is though, That Corbyns views are out of touch with 99% of the electorate. People don't want a kow-towing, middle class intellectual, champagne communist (he writes a column in the Morning Star), who wont give people the answers on the economy, education and immigration, and who rattles on about 'injustice' and how the Tories are 'evil'. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 17, 2015 18:05:15 GMT
The same David Milliband who would have been Labours best leader and quite possibly PM now, however the Unions decided to elect his useless brother The fact is though, That Corbyns views are out of touch with 99% of the electorate. People don't want a kow-towing, middle class intellectual, champagne communist (he writes a column in the Morning Star), who wont give people the answers on the economy, education and immigration, and who rattles on about 'injustice' and how the Tories are 'evil'. The "fact" is though that 100% of your post is based on nothing but your own uninformed opinion and nothing to do with "fact" at all. And that's a "fact". Another Ukiper by any chance? edit: Or an evil Tory.  |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 17, 2015 18:21:16 GMT
The same David Milliband who would have been Labours best leader and quite possibly PM now, however the Unions decided to elect his useless brother The fact is though, That Corbyns views are out of touch with 99% of the electorate. People don't want a kow-towing, middle class intellectual, champagne communist (he writes a column in the Morning Star), who wont give people the answers on the economy, education and immigration, and who rattles on about 'injustice' and how the Tories are 'evil'. 100% spot on mate. Let's hope he becomes Labour leader thus rendering them obsolete once and for all  |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2015 20:08:08 GMT
The fact is though, That Corbyns views are out of touch with 99% of the electorate. People don't want a kow-towing, middle class intellectual, champagne communist (he writes a column in the Morning Star), who wont give people the answers on the economy, education and immigration, and who rattles on about 'injustice' and how the Tories are 'evil'. 100% spot on mate. Let's hope he becomes Labour leader thus rendering them obsolete once and for all Harry the huge influx of erm new Labour members who have joined very recently will ensure you get your wish, as much as I hate the Tories they will be pissing themselves at the prospect of an aging communist running the labour party what a fuck up they have made of this compounding the election fiasco.  |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 17, 2015 20:12:18 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 17, 2015 20:17:36 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. Billy - who won the referendum? |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2015 20:48:27 GMT
If that article is true they have betrayed their own people for political point scoring, if true the Labour party is a disgrace hopefully Corbyn will be their next leader and lead them into oblivion. No doubt the apologists will be telling us it is all media lies, they must never venture into the towns and City's of this shit hole of a country. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2015 20:50:06 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. Billy - who won the referendum? Wheels going round but the fucking hamsters as dead as the Labour party. |
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 17, 2015 21:10:27 GMT
If that article is true they have betrayed their own people for political point scoring, if true the Labour party is a disgrace hopefully Corbyn will be their next leader and lead them into oblivion. No doubt the apologists will be telling us it is all media lies, they must never venture into the towns and City's of this shit hole of a country. That's leftys for you. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2015 21:16:12 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. How on gods earth can anyone who really believes in Corbyn call someone else a political dinosaur  , that is so fucking ironic it's hilarious. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 18, 2015 7:42:06 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. Billy - who won the referendum? Partick - how did Labour do in the election in Scotland soon after the referendum? In Scotland Labour were wiped out as they were seen as right wing and Tory complicit, all after the "Better Together" campaign. The very same people and tactics are being used in England now, hence the comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 8:20:03 GMT
Corbyn will go down great in Scotland though won't he?
His CND ideology a big hit amongst those who work around the submarine bases which are a big employer.
Great stuff.
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 18, 2015 8:22:32 GMT
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 18, 2015 8:35:45 GMT
Corbyn! Corbyn! Corbyn! What do we want? Corbyn! When do we want him? Now! |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 18, 2015 8:38:39 GMT
Corbyn! Corbyn! Corbyn! What do we want? Corbyn! When do we want him? Now!  Hmm. Maybe, maybe not. I'm spending the next week or so reading about the manifestos and then deciding. I've half an inkling as to whom I'm going to vote for, for both deputy and leader, but I want to be sure. |
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 18, 2015 8:52:41 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 18, 2015 8:57:24 GMT
Billy - who won the referendum? Partick - how did Labour do in the election in Scotland soon after the referendum? In Scotland Labour were wiped out as they were seen as right wing and Tory complicit, all after the "Better Together" campaign. The very same people and tactics are being used in England now, hence the comparison. I'm not sure I agree with that analysis. Labour were wiped out, IMO, because they are seen as woefully weak in Scotland compared to the SNP. In large part that is because all their serious talent prefer to be in Westminster than Edinburgh, so you get second and third rate Labour folk up against first rate politicians like Salmond, Sturgeon, Swinney etc.... It is also due to the SNP running a very competent administration for which they are rewarded with votes. This may be a perception - but as you know perception is reality! It's an interesting question about why the SNP did so well in the General Election just a few months after falling short in the independence referendum. There's been much debate about it - but I think the reason is very simple. As Clinton said "It's the economy stupid". In other words the majority of folk believe the Scottish economy is best served under an SNP administration as part of the UK. A bit contradictory, of course, and frustrating for the SNP. But it's the reality! |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 18, 2015 9:13:30 GMT
Partick - how did Labour do in the election in Scotland soon after the referendum? In Scotland Labour were wiped out as they were seen as right wing and Tory complicit, all after the "Better Together" campaign. The very same people and tactics are being used in England now, hence the comparison. I'm not sure I agree with that analysis. Labour were wiped out, IMO, because they are seen as woefully weak in Scotland compared to the SNP. In large part that is because all their serious talent prefer to be in Westminster than Edinburgh, so you get second and third rate Labour folk up against first rate politicians like Salmond, Sturgeon, Swinney etc.... It is also due to the SNP running a very competent administration for which they are rewarded with votes. This may be a perception - but as you know perception is reality! It's an interesting question about why the SNP did so well in the General Election just a few months after falling short in the independence referendum. There's been much debate about it - but I think the reason is very simple. As Clinton said "It's the economy stupid". In other words the majority of folk believe the Scottish economy is best served under an SNP administration as part of the UK. A bit contradictory, of course, and frustrating for the SNP. But it's the reality! Pretty much spot on, that,I agree. There is the argument (which is quite compelling) that Scotland has in more recent times been a little bit "Left" of the rest of the UK, economically and politically speaking, particularly since the 1980's. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 18, 2015 9:25:12 GMT
Partick - how did Labour do in the election in Scotland soon after the referendum? In Scotland Labour were wiped out as they were seen as right wing and Tory complicit, all after the "Better Together" campaign. The very same people and tactics are being used in England now, hence the comparison. I'm not sure I agree with that analysis. Labour were wiped out, IMO, because they are seen as woefully weak in Scotland compared to the SNP. In large part that is because all their serious talent prefer to be in Westminster than Edinburgh, so you get second and third rate Labour folk up against first rate politicians like Salmond, Sturgeon, Swinney etc.... It is also due to the SNP running a very competent administration for which they are rewarded with votes. This may be a perception - but as you know perception is reality! It's an interesting question about why the SNP did so well in the General Election just a few months after falling short in the independence referendum. There's been much debate about it - but I think the reason is very simple. As Clinton said "It's the economy stupid". In other words the majority of folk believe the Scottish economy is best served under an SNP administration as part of the UK. A bit contradictory, of course, and frustrating for the SNP. But it's the reality! I still maintain that a huge slice of Labours demise is due to the fact they stood side by side with the Tories, the public couldn't tell the difference and to be fair there wasn't much of one. They tried so hard to appear like the Tories they almost became them. These third rate Labour folk you mention, tho ones speaking out at the time were Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Peter Mandleson and Alistar Campbell to name but a few. The very same third rate bods using the politics of fear and uncertainty in England now............hence the comparison. The first paragraph is my opinion, the second is the reality. Twice in your own post you seem to juxtapose the two as if your analysis is based on fact.... I probably read that wrongly though. |
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Aug 18, 2015 9:46:09 GMT
Corbyn will go down great in Scotland though won't he? His CND ideology a big hit amongst those who work around the submarine bases which are a big employer. Great stuff. SNP support is strong amongst the locals near to Faslane strangely enough. So by extension Corbyns CND stance should be popular. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 18, 2015 9:52:58 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with that analysis. Labour were wiped out, IMO, because they are seen as woefully weak in Scotland compared to the SNP. In large part that is because all their serious talent prefer to be in Westminster than Edinburgh, so you get second and third rate Labour folk up against first rate politicians like Salmond, Sturgeon, Swinney etc.... It is also due to the SNP running a very competent administration for which they are rewarded with votes. This may be a perception - but as you know perception is reality! It's an interesting question about why the SNP did so well in the General Election just a few months after falling short in the independence referendum. There's been much debate about it - but I think the reason is very simple. As Clinton said "It's the economy stupid". In other words the majority of folk believe the Scottish economy is best served under an SNP administration as part of the UK. A bit contradictory, of course, and frustrating for the SNP. But it's the reality! I still maintain that a huge slice of Labours demise is due to the fact they stood side by side with the Tories, the public couldn't tell the difference and to be fair there wasn't much of one. They tried so hard to appear like the Tories they almost became them. These third rate Labour folk you mention, tho ones speaking out at the time were Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Peter Mandleson and Alistar Campbell to name but a few. The very same third rate bods using the politics of fear and uncertainty in England now............hence the comparison. The first paragraph is my opinion, the second is the reality. Twice in your own post you seem to juxtapose the two as if your analysis is based on fact.... I probably read that wrongly though. Both paragraphs are really opinion! There are very few facts in politics. And that's a fact! BTW - for clarification, the second and third rate politicians I'm talking about are the likes of Iain Gray and Johann Lamont, two former leaders of the Labour party in Scotland, who failed in any way to stand up to Alex Salmond. Gordon Brown is a good example of Labour talent preferring Westminster to Holyrood. One other thing, Labour were in serous decline in Scotland way before the referendum. There was undoubtedly an increase in the acceleration in the rate of decline since the referendum that was evident in this year's General Election, and the anti-Tory anti-austerity line the SNP took was definitely a big factor, but it wasn't the only one. And may not have been the most significant. But, of course, who knows! |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 18, 2015 10:15:55 GMT
I still maintain that a huge slice of Labours demise is due to the fact they stood side by side with the Tories, the public couldn't tell the difference and to be fair there wasn't much of one. They tried so hard to appear like the Tories they almost became them. These third rate Labour folk you mention, tho ones speaking out at the time were Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Peter Mandleson and Alistar Campbell to name but a few. The very same third rate bods using the politics of fear and uncertainty in England now............hence the comparison. The first paragraph is my opinion, the second is the reality. Twice in your own post you seem to juxtapose the two as if your analysis is based on fact.... I probably read that wrongly though. Both paragraphs are really opinion! There are very few facts in politics. And that's a fact! BTW - for clarification, the second and third rate politicians I'm talking about are the likes of Iain Gray and Johann Lamont, two former leaders of the Labour party in Scotland, who failed in any way to stand up to Alex Salmond. Gordon Brown is a good example of Labour talent preferring Westminster to Holyrood. One other thing, Labour were in serous decline in Scotland way before the referendum. There was undoubtedly an increase in the acceleration in the rate of decline since the referendum that was evident in this year's General Election, and the anti-Tory anti-austerity line the SNP took was definitely a big factor, but it wasn't the only one. And may not have been the most significant. But, of course, who knows! Well in the context of the conversation, i compared the current noises now made in England to those made in Scotland over the referendum. These noises were being made by those i mentioned, this isn't opinion, it's fact, so i dispute your claim that both paragraphs are opinion. The only possible opinion in there is that they are using still using the same methods at the moment, and they clearly are. Regarding the talent issue in the election, it seems that it didn't really matter who the SNP put up in each area, they won, people voted against Labour and Tory across the board even if there was a 20 year old student standing against them. Labour became the new Tory up there because that's what they were. The negative tactics backfired on them wholesale......, hence my initial comparison, the one you disputed. That's all i'm defending really, my initial post, can you not see the connection?: And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable".......
It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 18, 2015 10:53:37 GMT
Both paragraphs are really opinion! There are very few facts in politics. And that's a fact! BTW - for clarification, the second and third rate politicians I'm talking about are the likes of Iain Gray and Johann Lamont, two former leaders of the Labour party in Scotland, who failed in any way to stand up to Alex Salmond. Gordon Brown is a good example of Labour talent preferring Westminster to Holyrood. One other thing, Labour were in serous decline in Scotland way before the referendum. There was undoubtedly an increase in the acceleration in the rate of decline since the referendum that was evident in this year's General Election, and the anti-Tory anti-austerity line the SNP took was definitely a big factor, but it wasn't the only one. And may not have been the most significant. But, of course, who knows! Well in the context of the conversation, i compared the current noises now made in England to those made in Scotland over the referendum. These noises were being made by those i mentioned, this isn't opinion, it's fact, so i dispute your claim that both paragraphs are opinion. The only possible opinion in there is that they are using still using the same methods at the moment, and they clearly are. Regarding the talent issue in the election, it seems that it didn't really matter who the SNP put up in each area, they won, people voted against Labour and Tory across the board even if there was a 20 year old student standing against them. Labour became the new Tory up there because that's what they were. The negative tactics backfired on them wholesale......, hence my initial comparison, the one you disputed. That's all i'm defending really, my initial post, can you not see the connection?: And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable".......
It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs.
I'm a bit lost now! Here's what I think. The rise of the SNP in Scotland is primarily a consequence of two longish term factors (meaning at least over the past 10 years). First they are a (more than) competent administration, second their principle political opponent has been feeble; particularly the leadership. The recent referendum and general election has also had a significant effect. So I agree with you there was an effect caused by the Better Together campaign - it's just that I think there were other bigger longer term factors. As to the Better Together campaign - remember they won! And as for playing on fears and uncertainty - both sides did the same. It's normal. But again, remember who won. Maybe that's the point. The better together folk were better at scaring folk. Or put another way, talking to the real needs of the majority of people who are not political activists. There was an expression used after the referendum - the silent majority have spoken. The thought being that the Yes folk had "preached too much to the converted" and not to the people they really needed to convince. In that there is a lesson for Labour. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 18, 2015 18:02:02 GMT
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Post by stokeharry on Aug 18, 2015 18:04:37 GMT
And now we have David Milliband telling us Corbyn is "unelectable"....... It's like a rerun of the Better Together campaign in Scotland, all these warnings playing on fears and uncertainty. Political dinosaurs. The same David Milliband who would have been Labours best leader and quite possibly PM now, however the Unions decided to elect his useless brother Superb post but you are wasting your breath mate , just do what I do and take the piss . His anger issues leave him unable to listen to the other side without resorting to name calling and insults just because people dare to have a different opinion. Blinkered and sheltered to say the least Thumbs up |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 19, 2015 8:21:35 GMT
A very interesting read, it seems you just can't trust polls, mainstream media or social media after the last election. Perhaps it's right, Corbyn wont win, he never thought he would from the start, only entering the contest to get the debate on the table. Should be an interesting few weeks. |
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, that is so fucking ironic it's hilarious.
