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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 11, 2015 21:37:19 GMT
I'm referring to your piss poor response to my post mate. If you'd care to enlighten me with your pearls of wisdom on the Corbyn bid rather than the tripe contained therein that would be great. he is too far left to be elected. Any decent policies will get lost in the lunacy of his other policies. Same as the greens. There is a huge tide of anti EU in this country. It is the most important debate of this generation and needs to be his no1 priority. It's this debate that helped lose labour voters but he doesn't seem to want to engage in it to win them back. In what way are the main contents of his proposals "too left wing"? |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 11, 2015 21:38:38 GMT
"I have less chance of winning than burnham and cooper and slightly more than that other bird who know one knows. We don't need trident and we are not leaving the EU, I'm also going to nationalise everything but I won't call it nationalisation. I think weve got enough rich people who don't want to leave England and Wales we can tax at 90% to pay for it Goo goo goo joob " People who have a brain don't want Trident. The Scots dont want Trident. How does Trident help us in this day and age? Furthermore he's only proposing nationalising utilities so your energy bills are reduced, the trains so your fares aren't £180 to go from Stoke to London and keeping the NHS free and in public control so you get free treatment when you're old and ill. He's proposing a headline rate at no more than 60% for the very highest earners and wants companies like Boots, Starbucks and Apple to pay their taxes here in the UK. He also wants to set up a National Bank which will lend money to tech companies and start-ups rather than buy to let landlords. Unlike the Tories who are doing the square root of shag all on all the above. What on earth are you so bloody frightened of mate? Christ on a bike. Labour Party members are probably going to want to know how much renationalising the utilities and rail is going to cost. Both Corbyn and Burnham have said they want to take rail back in to public ownership but neither have said how much it will cost. Is Corbyn thinking about co-operatising them both? Bearing in mind that Labour lost the election because the public perception was that they were "anti-austerity lite" according to Labour's own research (Cruddas Report), how is this going to pan out electorally? |
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Post by salopstick on Aug 11, 2015 21:45:43 GMT
People who have a brain don't want Trident. The Scots dont want Trident. How does Trident help us in this day and age? Furthermore he's only proposing nationalising utilities so your energy bills are reduced, the trains so your fares aren't £180 to go from Stoke to London and keeping the NHS free and in public control so you get free treatment when you're old and ill. He's proposing a headline rate at no more than 60% for the very highest earners and wants companies like Boots, Starbucks and Apple to pay their taxes here in the UK. He also wants to set up a National Bank which will lend money to tech companies and start-ups rather than buy to let landlords. Unlike the Tories who are doing the square root of shag all on all the above. What on earth are you so bloody frightened of mate? Christ on a bike. Labour Party members are probably going to want to know how much renationalising the utilities and rail is going to cost. Both Corbyn and Burnham have said they want to take rail back in to public ownership but neither have said how much it will cost. Is Corbyn thinking about co-operatising them both? Bearing in mind that Labour lost the election because the public perception was that they were "anti-austerity lite" according to Labour's own research (Cruddas Report), how is this going to pan out electorally? It will pan out with an unelectable opposition full of infighting, a leader with the support of Labour Party members but not the majority of its mp's and another Tory win in 2020 The real fight is who out of boris and Osborne will take advantage |
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 21:46:24 GMT
I'm referring to your piss poor response to my post mate. If you'd care to enlighten me with your pearls of wisdom on the Corbyn bid rather than the tripe contained therein that would be great. he is too far left to be elected. Any decent policies will get lost in the lunacy of his other policies. Same as the greens. There is a huge tide of anti EU in this country. It is the most important debate of this generation and needs to be his no1 priority. It's this debate that helped lose labour voters but he doesn't seem to want to engage in it to win them back. There is no lunacy though; that's the lie. If you actually put The Daily Mail down and took some time to actually read and think things through for yourself, look at his platform and reflect on it, you'll find yourself agreeing with pretty much everything he is saying. What's more impressive still is his near perfect track record of consistently campaigning/opposing/doing the right thing over the past 40 years as an MP. His views and actions are often seen as radical at the time, but history has time and again shown that Corbyn always makes the right call in hindsight. He's a formiddable politician Salop. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 22:02:19 GMT
The real irony in all of this is that a lot of what Corbyn says is very popular. The main sticking point is 'Well how would he pay for allof this?'
Then people with very little or no knowledge of Economics say things like "Well we have to balance the books".."You can't spend more than you earn"
Right !! So what about all those home owners out there? Ever heard of a mortgage? Ever borrowed tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house?
Millions of people spend more than they earn buying property every single day...What is the problem?
The National Debt shrinks year after year as a proportion of GDP and inflation. As GDP increases debt shrinks. A growing economy reduces debt.
What Corbyn is proposing would hurt the rich much more than it would hurt the poor..Yet it's the poor (educationally as well as financially) who constantly try to destroy the mesenger rather than listen to the message.
A lot more people would benefit from Corbyns policies than they ever would under any Conservative government yet alone one as Right Wing as this one.
Lets give The City a Billion by underselling The Royal Mail...and lets give Institutional Investors another billion with RBS.
Because guess what? Most people won't even know. Because there aren't any immigrants or benefit claimants involved.
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 22:13:25 GMT
The real irony in all of this is that a lot of what Corbyn says is very popular. The main sticking point is 'Well how would he pay for allof this?' Then people with very little or no knowledge of Economics say things like "Well we have to balance the books".."You can't spend more than you earn" Right !! So what about all those home owners out there? Ever heard of a mortgage? Ever borrowed tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house? Millions of people spend more than they earn buying property every single day...What is the problem? The National Debt shrinks year after year as a proportion of GDP and inflation. As GDP increases debt shrinks. A growing economy reduces debt. And yet when you try to discuss this with the average punter all you get is the same brain washed bollocks. "You can't spend more than you earn" FFS. That's the justification for austerity and almost every leading financial economist now concurs that austerity doesn't actually work. Whoops! www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/by-george-britains-austerity-experiment-didnt-workCorbyn also talks about quantitive easing. His economic thinking is light years ahead of the Tories, he wants us to trade and manufacture our way out of debt with huge new investment in high tech industries (you know, the stuff that we are actually brilliant at). QE Definition"Quantitative easing (QE) is an unconventional form of monetary policy where a Central Bank creates new money electronically to buy financial assets, like government bonds. This process aims to directly increase private sector spending in the economy and return inflation to target." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 22:16:35 GMT
The real irony in all of this is that a lot of what Corbyn says is very popular. The main sticking point is 'Well how would he pay for allof this?' Then people with very little or no knowledge of Economics say things like "Well we have to balance the books".."You can't spend more than you earn" Right !! So what about all those home owners out there? Ever heard of a mortgage? Ever borrowed tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house? Millions of people spend more than they earn buying property every single day...What is the problem? The National Debt shrinks year after year as a proportion of GDP and inflation. As GDP increases debt shrinks. A growing economy reduces debt. And yet when you try to discuss this with the average punter all you get is the same brain washed bollocks. "You can't spend more than you earn" FFS. The real irony is that politics is all about being government . You and the rest consistently fail to understand and appreciate this basic fact . You are idealists ...left wing idealists . Corbyn is the same . That's why you like him . He is popular only amongst the left wing of the party . He is not popular amongst the wider electorate . Here's what others like me feel about the current situation .... www.theweek.co.uk/labour-leader/62858/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-set-for-knockout-win-says-poll |
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Post by deadwood on Aug 11, 2015 22:23:21 GMT
The real irony in all of this is that a lot of what Corbyn says is very popular. The main sticking point is 'Well how would he pay for allof this?' Then people with very little or no knowledge of Economics say things like "Well we have to balance the books".."You can't spend more than you earn" Right !! So what about all those home owners out there? Ever heard of a mortgage? Ever borrowed tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house? Millions of people spend more than they earn buying property every single day...What is the problem? The National Debt shrinks year after year as a proportion of GDP and inflation. As GDP increases debt shrinks. A growing economy reduces debt. And yet when you try to discuss this with the average punter all you get is the same brain washed bollocks. "You can't spend more than you earn" FFS. The real irony is that politics is all about being government . You and the rest consistently fail to understand and appreciate this basic fact . You are idealists ...left wing idealists . Corbyn is the same . That's why you like him . He is popular only amongst the left wing of the party . He is not popular amongst the wider electorate . Here's what others like me feel about the current situation .... www.theweek.co.uk/labour-leader/62858/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-set-for-knockout-win-says-pollSorry but that is not at all correct. Corbyn's platform is a solid one that puts British people first and foremost. Not millionaires and corporates. That's why he's carrying so much momentum. If you cant see it for what it is then I really don't see how you can form an opinion around the issue. It's not hard to understand. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 22:32:32 GMT
The real irony in all of this is that a lot of what Corbyn says is very popular. The main sticking point is 'Well how would he pay for allof this?' Then people with very little or no knowledge of Economics say things like "Well we have to balance the books".."You can't spend more than you earn" Right !! So what about all those home owners out there? Ever heard of a mortgage? Ever borrowed tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house? Millions of people spend more than they earn buying property every single day...What is the problem? The National Debt shrinks year after year as a proportion of GDP and inflation. As GDP increases debt shrinks. A growing economy reduces debt. And yet when you try to discuss this with the average punter all you get is the same brain washed bollocks. "You can't spend more than you earn" FFS. The real irony is that politics is all about being government . You and the rest consistently fail to understand and appreciate this basic fact . You are idealists ...left wing idealists . Corbyn is the same . That's why you like him . He is popular only amongst the left wing of the party . He is not popular amongst the wider electorate . Here's what others like me feel about the current situation .... www.theweek.co.uk/labour-leader/62858/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-set-for-knockout-win-says-pollI don't fail to understand anything. I am Left Wing although all my family vote Conservative. Lecturing in Economics for over 20 years changed my political views. What's wrong with having Ideals and ideas? Without Ideas and Ideals we die. Of course some of my views and comments are 'idealistic' but they are also based on sound economic and mathematical models. But why are you so keen to shoot the messenger rather than debate the message? Why do you constantly say that those people with Left Wing views will never get into Office? Why do you constantly grovel to those with Right Wing views on this board despite claiming to be a Labour Voter? Why are your views so inconsistent? Why do you keep contradicting yourself? Why don't you really stand up for what you believe in? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 11, 2015 22:38:23 GMT
The real irony in all of this is that a lot of what Corbyn says is very popular. The main sticking point is 'Well how would he pay for allof this?' Then people with very little or no knowledge of Economics say things like "Well we have to balance the books".."You can't spend more than you earn" Right !! So what about all those home owners out there? Ever heard of a mortgage? Ever borrowed tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house? Millions of people spend more than they earn buying property every single day...What is the problem? The National Debt shrinks year after year as a proportion of GDP and inflation. As GDP increases debt shrinks. A growing economy reduces debt. And yet when you try to discuss this with the average punter all you get is the same brain washed bollocks. "You can't spend more than you earn" FFS. The real irony is that politics is all about being government . You and the rest consistently fail to understand and appreciate this basic fact . You are idealists ...left wing idealists . Corbyn is the same . That's why you like him . He is popular only amongst the left wing of the party . He is not popular amongst the wider electorate . Here's what others like me feel about the current situation .... www.theweek.co.uk/labour-leader/62858/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-set-for-knockout-win-says-pollDespite you actually starting a thread which echoed MOST of Corbyn's vision for this country. So what are you proposing? More austerity? Austerity lite a la Burnham/Cooper/Kendall? |
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Post by desman2 on Aug 11, 2015 22:44:37 GMT
For three quid you can become a registered supporter where you can vote. So you pay up your 3 quid, get the voting forms when they arrive and cast your vote then sit back and watch the party destroy itself. If you dont like it that is.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 22:51:20 GMT
Well that's better than chucking a billion pounds of tax payers money down the drain this week by deliberately underselling RBS to INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS (for the hard of thinking). And giving all your chums in The City a nice prezzie. (on average about 20 grand each for 5 minutes work according to The Financial Times).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 22:52:26 GMT
The real irony is that politics is all about being government . You and the rest consistently fail to understand and appreciate this basic fact . You are idealists ...left wing idealists . Corbyn is the same . That's why you like him . He is popular only amongst the left wing of the party . He is not popular amongst the wider electorate . Here's what others like me feel about the current situation .... www.theweek.co.uk/labour-leader/62858/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-set-for-knockout-win-says-pollSorry but that is not at all correct. Corbyn's platform is a solid one that puts British people first and foremost. Not millionaires and corporates. That's why he's carrying so much momentum. If you cant see it for what it is then I really don't see how you can form an opinion around the issue. It's not hard to understand. My opinion is based on the fact that I was a paid trade unionist official . Someone who has met scores of Labour MPs past and present . Someone who has been there , seen it and done it . I have been to many union conferences around the country ....Blackpool , Hastings , Morecambe .et etc ...as a delegate and speaker . What exactly do you base your wise words of wisdom on ? Have you ever represented anyone other than yourself ? What practical experience of trade unionism do you have ? How many times have you been to conferences ? Politics is about winners and winning ....not losers and losing . The level of stupidity and thick pig ignorance on this board is something to behold Vote Corbyn and you will never win an election . If that's what's important to you , then do it . It's fucking idiotic beyond belief . I've seen the unprecedented support ....they're mainly imposters who know how important it is for them to get Corbyn elected . Already over a thousand applications have been thrown out ......FFS ! How fucking blinkered do you have to be ....? How long do you want to be in the shadows . .? By the next election Labour will be the third party behind UKIP . That's the reality of the situation . That's why over four million voted for Farage ......EX LABOUR supporters ....Harry Carps BIg John ...etc .... There's plenty more where that came from too . But let's not stop there ....let's look over the border in Scotland . The home of guaranteed rock solid Labour Support......Gone ....FInished ....wiped out and humiliated . The End . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 22:54:49 GMT
The real irony is that politics is all about being government . You and the rest consistently fail to understand and appreciate this basic fact . You are idealists ...left wing idealists . Corbyn is the same . That's why you like him . He is popular only amongst the left wing of the party . He is not popular amongst the wider electorate . Here's what others like me feel about the current situation .... www.theweek.co.uk/labour-leader/62858/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-set-for-knockout-win-says-pollI don't fail to understand anything. I am Left Wing although all my family vote Conservative. Lecturing in Economics for over 20 years changed my political views. What's wrong with having Ideals and ideas? Without Ideas and Ideals we die. Of course some of my views and comments are 'idealistic' but they are also based on sound economic and mathematical models. But why are you so keen to shoot the messenger rather than debate the message? Why do you constantly say that those people with Left Wing views will never get into Office? Why do you constantly grovel to those with Right Wing views on this board despite claiming to be a Labour Voter? Why are your views so inconsistent? Why do you keep contradicting yourself? Why don't you really stand up for what you believe in? Answered above . |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 23:05:09 GMT
No it isn't answered above.
You have simply posed more questions.
I really do get fed up with people criticising the Trade Union Movement as though in some way they are actually less representitive of the general public than a few extremely wealthy citizens who fund The Conservative Party.
The Unions are the subject of vile and systematic abuse by the Gutter Press (owned and run by a couple of foriegners). Anyone would think they were trying to gas their members instead of improving pay and conditions.
The problem with mumf is that he is so desperate for social approval from certain sections on this board that he has compromised all of his principles.
They will never accept you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 23:11:33 GMT
No it isn't answered above. You have simply posed more questions. I really do get fed up with people criticising the Trade Union Movement as though in some way they are actually less representitive of the general public than a few extremely wealthy citizens who fund The Conservative Party. The Unions are the subject of vile and systematic abuse by the Gutter Press (owned and run by a couple of foriegners) but far worse is the pig ignorant stupidity of their crass and vacile readership.. Read it again ....read it three times ....Four if you have to .... I was a trade unionist official ... A delegate from the North West ....In the banking and Insuarnce sector ...! I represented the FA's,,, FC's ...agents etc .... You aren't listening ...you don't want to .... Christ almighty .... |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 23:12:21 GMT
No mumf.
I am listening hence the edit.
What I want to hear is Why you dislike the Tories...rather than why you hate Labour.
Unless, that is, you vote Conservative.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 23:17:27 GMT
No it isn't answered above. You have simply posed more questions. I really do get fed up with people criticising the Trade Union Movement as though in some way they are actually less representitive of the general public than a few extremely wealthy citizens who fund The Conservative Party. The Unions are the subject of vile and systematic abuse by the Gutter Press (owned and run by a couple of foriegners). Anyone would think they were trying to gas their members instead of improving pay and conditions. The problem with mumf is that he is so desperate for social approval from certain sections on this board that he has compromised all of his principles. They will never accept you. Who are these 'certain sections' ? Name names ... Do you think that this is an ego trip to see who's richest ? My principles have never changed . I play to win . I don't play to lose . Sometimes you have to side with your arch rivals in order to win a war .... But you disagree ... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 23:21:03 GMT
No mumf. I am listening hence the edit. What I want to hear is Why you dislike the Tories...rather than why you hate Labour. Unless, that is, you vote Conservative. Labour is in a shambles . I do not like any of the candidates because none in my view will reunite the party . Why I dislike the Tories is not relevant at all to this debate . This is about electing the right leader . Answer ....None of them . |
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Post by salopstick on Aug 11, 2015 23:28:24 GMT
Wizard you have to have a manifesto that appeals to the majority of the electorate.
Corbyn doesn't
He will win the labour battle but not the national war.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 23:29:59 GMT
No mumf. I am listening hence the edit. What I want to hear is Why you dislike the Tories...rather than why you hate Labour. Unless, that is, you vote Conservative. Labour is in a shambles . I do not like any of the candidates because none in my view will reunite the party . Why I dislike the Tories is not relevant at all to this debate . This is about electing the right leader . Answer ....None of them . Of course it's relevant. All you ever do is bang on about why Labour are shit. You never ever criticise The Tories. Just keep repeating the same Right Wing propaganda. . |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 23:37:22 GMT
Wizard you have to have a manifesto that appeals to the majority of the electorate. Corbyn doesn't He will win the labour battle but not the national war. I know that Salop but all Labour are offering at the moment are Conservative Lite. Most people I know hate Blair/Mandelson/Campbell and want something they really believe in. Corbyn wants to piss into the tent I agree..but I wouldn't want to be in a fucking tent with Blair and Alistair Campbell inside ;-) |
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Post by salopstick on Aug 11, 2015 23:39:24 GMT
Wizard you have to have a manifesto that appeals to the majority of the electorate. Corbyn doesn't He will win the labour battle but not the national war. I know that Salop but all Labour are offering at the moment are Conservative Lite. Most people I know hate Blair/Mandelson/Campbell and want something they really believe in. Corbyn wants to piss into the tent I agree..but I wouldn't want to be in a fucking tent with Blair and Alistair Campbell inside ;-) Labour needs a new john smith Corbyn isn't Everything else is just bollocks |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 23:40:33 GMT
Labour is in a shambles . I do not like any of the candidates because none in my view will reunite the party . Why I dislike the Tories is not relevant at all to this debate . This is about electing the right leader . Answer ....None of them . Of course it's relevant. All you ever do is bang on about why Labour are shit. You never ever criticise The Tories. Just keep repeating the same Right Wing propaganda. And that is why you are such a disengenous credit less fraud with no real friends either side of the political fence. . I well accustomed to insult . Let me know if you do ever get round to answering my questions .... |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 11, 2015 23:51:18 GMT
I know that Salop but all Labour are offering at the moment are Conservative Lite. Most people I know hate Blair/Mandelson/Campbell and want something they really believe in. Corbyn wants to piss into the tent I agree..but I wouldn't want to be in a fucking tent with Blair and Alistair Campbell inside ;-) Labour needs a new john smith Corbyn isn't Everything else is just bollocks Why is it just bollocks? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 0:03:48 GMT
It's bollocks because we've just lost an election that I predicted he would lose the day Milliband became leader .
I am doing the same now , because if Corbyn wins then he will get even less support .
No lessons have been learned at all . It's the blind leading the blind .
Corbyn isn't listening to the electorate ....he's listening to those on the left and lapping it up .
We are going from bad to absolute catastrophe ....
The only thing you need to remember is that people vote with their feet and currently there's four million enjoying a pint with Farage .
That's how bad the situation is , whether you like it or not . Personally , his anti Europe stance is a big no no for me .it always will be .
It is the primary reason infact .
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 12, 2015 0:12:59 GMT
Corbyn is Pro Europe.
Farage is Anti.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 0:19:13 GMT
Corbyn is Pro Europe. Farage is Anti. I know.......! It's his anti immigration views that appeal to me and many others. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 0:25:23 GMT
Of course it's relevant. All you ever do is bang on about why Labour are shit. You never ever criticise The Tories. Just keep repeating the same Right Wing propaganda. And that is why you are such a disengenous credit less fraud with no real friends either side of the political fence. . I well accustomed to insult . Let me know if you do ever get round to answering my questions .... You should not have to get accustomed to being insulted on here because you have opinions that others dislike .....that last sentence which the author quickly erased was uncalled for and unnecessary poor stuff in what is supposed to be a debate between adults .....just a further example of how this forum appears to be in decline |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 12, 2015 0:33:09 GMT
Corbyn is Pro Europe. Farage is Anti. I know.......! It's his anti immigration views that appeal to me and many others. Why? All those East Europeans are in now. They have flooded the Labour market and bought down the level of wages and conditions for all low/no skilled workers in the UK. And that's why they were allowed in the first place and the disgusting Blair government let them do it. So why do you want another Right Wing Labour Party? Do you not begin to see the appeal of Corbyn? |
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