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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:14:05 GMT
It will do eventually Bish as a clever dude once said you can fool all of the people some of the time etc etc . The voters will suddenly realise that a succession of labour chancellors have been telling us that 2+2 = 5 What clever dude was that ? ...not Dennis Healy or Gordon Brown ....I thought not .... Actually Dennis Healy was the last decent labour chancellor |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:14:27 GMT
It will do eventually Bish as a clever dude once said you can fool all of the people some of the time etc etc . The voters will suddenly realise that a succession of labour chancellors have been telling us that 2+2 = 5 Unlike the current Tory chancellor who has done such a wonderful job of balancing the books. Some people you can fool all of the time it seems.  I think he has too ......we are not so far apart as we supposed. Are we ?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:17:31 GMT
And what voices would those be mate ? You need to express yourself a little more clearly .......not that I care of course. The voices that must be telling you how i think. I know you're of a certain age, they can do tests, catch it early and all that. [/quote Really ? And what age would that be .....I've had all the tests and you will be pleased to know they have all showed up negative ..... |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 20:17:40 GMT
Unlike the current Tory chancellor who has done such a wonderful job of balancing the books. Some people you can fool all of the time it seems. I think he has too ......we are not so far apart as we supposed. Are we ? Hahahah, i guess not. Wonderful is Gideon.  |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:17:58 GMT
Unlike the current Tory chancellor who has done such a wonderful job of balancing the books. Some people you can fool all of the time it seems. I think he has too ......we are not so far apart as we supposed. Are we ? All politicians lie to us we just need to select the most convincing |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:18:20 GMT
What clever dude was that ? ...not Dennis Healy or Gordon Brown ....I thought not .... Actually Dennis Healy was the last decent labour chancellor I beg to differ .....what about the TSR 2 ? |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:19:53 GMT
Actually Dennis Healy was the last decent labour chancellor I beg to differ .....what about the TSR 2 ? Wasn't that Benn president of the board of f trade |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:21:20 GMT
I think he has too ......we are not so far apart as we supposed. Are we ? Hahahah, i guess not. Wonderful is Gideon. You have me there ...I'm not too well informed on Judaism I'm afraid |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:22:14 GMT
I beg to differ .....what about the TSR 2 ? Wasn't that Benn president of the board of f trade No idea Harry ? |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 20:22:32 GMT
The voices that must be telling you how i think. I know you're of a certain age, they can do tests, catch it early and all that. [/quote Really ? And what age would that be .....I've had all the tests and you will be pleased to know they have all showed up negative ..... Congratulations. Depending upon what exactly was negative of course, hope it was all good though. Missed putting your message after the quote though in that post, not a sign is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:23:33 GMT
I think he has too ......we are not so far apart as we supposed. Are we ? All politicians lie to us we just need to select the most convincing Some ar bigger liars than others though ..... |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:24:42 GMT
Wasn't that Benn president of the board of f trade No idea Harry ? You can't kid me Bish |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 20:27:07 GMT
Hahahah, i guess not. Wonderful is Gideon. You have me there ...I'm not too well informed on Judaism I'm afraid Note: Easily distracted from the topic of conversation, tends to shoot of on a tangent.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:28:44 GMT
Congratulations. Depending upon what exactly was negative of course, hope it was all good though. Missed putting your message after the quote though in that post, not a sign is it? I blame all things like that on the I pad ... It does its own thing ......and is that the best you can do ......really ? .....I thought better of you ( why did I ? )  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:29:20 GMT
You can't kid me Bish I know ....but I try. |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:30:57 GMT
You can't kid me Bish I know ....but I try. And he decided Concorde was the best option  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:31:52 GMT
You have me there ...I'm not too well informed on Judaism I'm afraid Note: Easily distracted from the topic of conversation, tends to shoot of on a tangent. Yes you need to look into that .....you do tend to meander. |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 20:33:05 GMT
I blame all things like that on the I pad ... It does its own thing ......and is that the best you can do ......really ? .....I thought better of you ( why did I ? ) Why would you assume i'm trying hard to do anything? What is it exactly that you think i'm trying so hard to do? Just a casual bit of banter, nothing taxing. Chill yer beans fella.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:33:35 GMT
I know ....but I try. And he decided Concorde was the best option It should have been mate ... sadly we were stitched up on that one . |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:35:09 GMT
And he decided Concorde was the best option It should have been mate ... sadly we were stitched up on that one . It was a commercial disaster Bish , the yanks would never have built it |
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Post by kbillyh on Aug 7, 2015 20:35:35 GMT
Note: Easily distracted from the topic of conversation, tends to shoot of on a tangent. Yes you need to look into that .....you do tend to meander. Well if that's the standard, i'm out. Been nice(ish) for a change.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:37:03 GMT
I blame all things like that on the I pad ... It does its own thing ......and is that the best you can do ......really ? .....I thought better of you ( why did I ? ) Why would you assume i'm trying hard to do anything? What is it exactly that you think i'm trying so hard to do? Just a casual bit of banter, nothing taxing. Chill yer beans fella. No problem Billy .....if you would care to read my posts. You would see that I'm all in favour of banter ....for me that's what the Oatcake should be about ....let's not be too serious about things eh ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:38:43 GMT
It should have been mate ... sadly we were stitched up on that one . It was a commercial disaster Bish , the yanks would never have built it Oh but they would have if we were not there first mate ....they sabotaged. Concorde ....Boeing killed it |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2015 20:42:00 GMT
It was a commercial disaster Bish , the yanks would never have built it Oh but they would have if we were not there first mate ....they sabotaged. Concorde ....Boeing killed it I doubt that Bish while we were pissing about with concord Boeing built the plane that changed everything |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:42:27 GMT
Yes you need to look into that .....you do tend to meander. Well if that's the standard, i'm out. Been nice(ish) for a change. Listening mate I'm alway up for a decent chat and I'm the friendliest guy in the world .....it's in your court mate |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2015 7:20:22 GMT
Is clause 4 going to make a comeback? Jeremy Corbyn could bring back Labour’s clause IV on public ownershipWould certainly ensure there is a clear ideological space between Labour and the Tories. Would it improve Labour's prospects of being elected? I think not. The next few weeks are going to be very interesting. I think though that no matter who gets elected this leadership contest has handed the Tories (and their media friends) more than enough ammunition to pound Labour with in the next election. Labour I think are heading down a long dark road. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 7:31:30 GMT
Is clause 4 going to make a comeback? Jeremy Corbyn could bring back Labour’s clause IV on public ownershipWould certainly ensure there is a clear ideological space between Labour and the Tories. Would it improve Labour's prospects of being elected? I think not. The next few weeks are going to be very interesting. I think though that no matter who gets elected this leadership contest has handed the Tories (and their media friends) more than enough ammunition to pound Labour with in the next election. Labour I think are heading down a long dark road. I know ...you know ...everyone knows . Apart from the odd lunatic . Therein lies the problem . How do you tell someone that they're fucking nuts ? |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2015 7:47:55 GMT
Is clause 4 going to make a comeback? Jeremy Corbyn could bring back Labour’s clause IV on public ownershipWould certainly ensure there is a clear ideological space between Labour and the Tories. Would it improve Labour's prospects of being elected? I think not. The next few weeks are going to be very interesting. I think though that no matter who gets elected this leadership contest has handed the Tories (and their media friends) more than enough ammunition to pound Labour with in the next election. Labour I think are heading down a long dark road. I know ...you know ...everyone knows . Apart from the odd lunatic . Therein lies the problem . How do you tell someone that they're fucking nuts ? Oh - I feel a song coming on. Appropriately enough it's from the mid '70s... It also probably wouldn't get many votes these days! |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 9, 2015 8:07:21 GMT
Is clause 4 going to make a comeback? Jeremy Corbyn could bring back Labour’s clause IV on public ownershipWould certainly ensure there is a clear ideological space between Labour and the Tories. Would it improve Labour's prospects of being elected? I think not. The next few weeks are going to be very interesting. I think though that no matter who gets elected this leadership contest has handed the Tories (and their media friends) more than enough ammunition to pound Labour with in the next election. Labour I think are heading down a long dark road. The strange thing about all of these polls putting Corbyn in the lead is that (a) most of the members I know strongly dislike the idea of unilateral nuclear proliferation, and (b) realise that getting rid of Clause 4 made Labour electable and turned Labour into an electable Social Democratic Party. On housing and welfare Corbyn may have a point. If Labour elect Corbyn it'll be a retrograde step, electorally, and you very well may be right but at least it'll be a democratic choice. It's worth noting that the vast swathe of the party membership is moderate. The point of having Corbyn there, though, as part of the leadership debate is that Labour need to have that internal conversation. Cooper and Burnham are centre-left, Kendall is on the right of the party, Corbyn the left. The media focus on Corbyn because.......he's different from anyone else in politics at the moment. As a movement Labour haven't had a chance to have a philosophical rethink since Blair. Given that Blair is unpopular amongst the left of the party it's right that the whole party get to discuss that future direction and, if necessary, argue about it. Which is precisely what's happening. Clause 4 won't return to the Labour Manifesto. It's just part of a conversation. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 9, 2015 9:43:35 GMT
Is clause 4 going to make a comeback? Jeremy Corbyn could bring back Labour’s clause IV on public ownershipWould certainly ensure there is a clear ideological space between Labour and the Tories. Would it improve Labour's prospects of being elected? I think not. The next few weeks are going to be very interesting. I think though that no matter who gets elected this leadership contest has handed the Tories (and their media friends) more than enough ammunition to pound Labour with in the next election. Labour I think are heading down a long dark road. The article stresses he's interested in bringing back some key sectors into public ownership. Still if the majority of people are happy for Gideon to sell off everything on the cheap then so be it. I'm not. |
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