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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:36:58 GMT
When you read some of the blinkered bullshit and lies on here it is no wonder why the party is in such a bad way if the views expressed are representative of the party as a whole . I have nothing against the man per se , but I like to look at the bigger picture . I look for the weaknesses and as you rightly suggest , none of the candidates look capable of winning the next election . I quite agree with you . I was against the appointment of Milliband and said so quite vociferously and openly as you know , and now that he has been heavily beaten , you'd think that the party would learn from its mistakes wouldn't you ? But no ....we go from one election defeat to facing abject obscurity if Corbyn wins ..... It's the strategy of fucking idiots . Weird but apart from your obvious homophobia and issues with race, the original post you put up is very in line with Corbyn's. Yes ....I think there are clear differences in our adoration of men's genitalia and hairy arses . Call me old fashioned if you wish , but queers have never attracted my attention in the same way that they do you . This is quite evident by the amount of times you bring up my aversion to such deviances . It normally occurs when you've lost the argument and lost the plot . But let's not dwell on queers and their preferences ....let's stick to the fact that the polls have proved you wrong and the party is on its arse with no clear route forward . I suppose 'weird' to you is 'normal' to most people , but then again you embrace homosexuality with a passion . You like to mention it a lot don't you ? Shall we delve more deeply into this subject seeing as you seem to love bringing the subject up ? Are you queer ? Do you have homosexual friends ? Are you single ? Mumf |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 4, 2015 22:43:31 GMT
I see that Brian Eno is supporting Jeremy Corbyn.
I wonder which candidate Peter Coates will be voting for?
Or Sir Alex Ferguson?
Or Brian Clough or Bill Shankly if they were still alive :-)
All lifelong Labour Party supporters.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2015 22:48:47 GMT
Weird but apart from your obvious homophobia and issues with race, the original post you put up is very in line with Corbyn's. Yes ....I think there are clear differences in our adoration of men's genitalia and hairy arses . Call me old fashioned if you wish , but queers have never attracted my attention in the same way that they do you . This is quite evident by the amount of times you bring up my aversion to such deviances . It normally occurs when you've lost the argument and lost the plot . But let's not dwell on queers and their preferences ....let's stick to the fact that the polls have proved you wrong and the party is on its arse with no clear route forward . I suppose 'weird' to you is 'normal' to most people , but then again you embrace homosexuality with a passion . You like to mention it a lot don't you ? Shall we delve more deeply into this subject seeing as you seem to love bringing the subject up ? Are you queer ? Do you have homosexual friends ? Are you single ? Mumf Are you Nigel Farage? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:54:40 GMT
Are you homosexual ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2015 22:56:18 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2015 22:57:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 23:00:52 GMT
Because every time you lose an argument you then suggest I'm homophobic. Your obsession with the subject holds no bounds . So .....I'll play you at your own game ...... Are you a homosexual ? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2015 23:02:35 GMT
Because every time you lose an argument you then suggest I'm homophobic. Your obsession with the subject holds no bounds . So .....I'll play you at your own game ...... Are you a homosexual ? You'll have to explain where you think you've "won" an argument. Sadly you always were and always will be a bully, time has not changed you at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 23:07:15 GMT
Because every time you lose an argument you then suggest I'm homophobic. Your obsession with the subject holds no bounds . So .....I'll play you at your own game ...... Are you a homosexual ? You'll have to explain where you think you've "won" an argument. Sadly you always were and always will be a bully, time has not changed you at all. Are you a homosexual? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2015 23:08:28 GMT
You'll have to explain where you think you've "won" an argument. Sadly you always were and always will be a bully, time has not changed you at all. Are you a homosexual? If you don't stop I will make a complaint about your behaviour. You had an answer a few posts back which was and still is NO. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 23:18:59 GMT
You can do what you want , but don't bother making poncy remarks about me being a bully .
I don't duck and dive . If someone asks me a question , then I give them a straight fucking answer first time .
I don't like cowardly arsey diversionary tactics .
You brought the subject up and you have once again had your arse kicked .
Tough shit .
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Post by salopstick on Aug 5, 2015 3:53:59 GMT
While it is an interesting article, well written and has some very salient point. Buddy please do not try and hoodwink us in to thinking its balanced. It is still written from a left perspective from a left publication and in the same font as the guardian website. |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 5, 2015 4:52:27 GMT
You really don't need to read the article the first paragraph tells you all you need to know , the voters will not elect Corbyn over fears of the deficit . The electorate knows that labours economic policies and its spending plans are mutually exclusive . The problem being labour are still fighting the class war from the 70s . They did learn from their mistakes when they elected tony Blair . Whatever we think of his legacy he made the party electable again .labour need to focus their minds on policies the electorate actually care about |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2015 6:07:57 GMT
While it is an interesting article, well written and has some very salient point. Buddy please do not try and hoodwink us in to thinking its balanced. It is still written from a left perspective from a left publication and in the same font as the guardian website. Owen Jones is one of those old school left wing pseudo intellectuals who live their lives in political theory rather than reality. Simplistic, idealistic, selective. Builds his arguments from a conclusion backwards. Picks out the faults in opposing ideas to justify his position. Exactly how the likes of George Galloway argue. So while there is good stuff in what is said, the overall argument isn't. Oh - and he, like so many of his ilk, don't half go on. And on. And on... |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 5, 2015 10:48:11 GMT
You really don't need to read the article the first paragraph tells you all you need to know , the voters will not elect Corbyn over fears of the deficit . The electorate knows that labours economic policies and its spending plans are mutually exclusive . The problem being labour are still fighting the class war from the 70s . They did learn from their mistakes when they elected tony Blair . Whatever we think of his legacy he made the party electable again .labour need to focus their minds on policies the electorate actually care about I agree, that's pretty much spot on, Harry. Labour's problem isn't whether the grassroots want to veer off to the left whilst the parliamentary party are adamant they are staying on the centre-left; it's whether the party wants to become ideological (again - circa 1983 manifesto) or whether it wants to be a party of government and electable. Jon Cruddas' poll is a case in point. It's ultimately for Labour Party members to decide; the media can have its own agenda and can say what it wants; those on the political right can have their view. But it's irrelevant. If Labour is a broad church, with centrists able to sit alongside socialists in one, amicable get together then Corbyn will do well in the leadership election. But he won't win. As I've said before Labour is, largely, a party of centre-left moderates. The problem during Gordon Brown's "election" (using the term very loosely) was that centrist policies went unchallenged, and there was a parliamentary consensus around economic policy. That "unchallengable" consensus wasn't echoed amongst Labour grassroots members; they always wanted a debate about Labour's economic stance and now they're having that debate. In Corbyn's defence he is offering an alternative that both he and some of the Labour grassroots have always espoused. Nothing has changed as far as Corbyn and the Labour Left (Red Labour, as I believe they call themselves) are concerned. Corbyn's Camden speech on Monday evening wa a barnstorming affair for those on the left. There's an awful lot that Corbyn says that's very agreeable. Likewise other aspectsof his worldview make one want to curl up a touch. But that's why it's all grabbing headlines - no other major political party has such open, honest, and democratic leadership debates. The Conservatives and UKIP cannot fundamentally change direction because they aren't progressive organisations. Essentially it's about evolution. The whole Labour leadership episode is an exemplification of a body politic deciding whether to return to a comfort zone, on the one hand, or wheher to evolve onto the next phase of political development on the other. The whole point is that Labour as a political party needs to have this debate. It seems that some people keep drawing to a conclusion before all of the arguments have been heard. There's still a way to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 10:52:19 GMT
Yes ....I think there are clear differences in our adoration of men's genitalia and hairy arses . Call me old fashioned if you wish , but queers have never attracted my attention in the same way that they do you . This is quite evident by the amount of times you bring up my aversion to such deviances . It normally occurs when you've lost the argument and lost the plot . But let's not dwell on queers and their preferences ....let's stick to the fact that the polls have proved you wrong and the party is on its arse with no clear route forward . I suppose 'weird' to you is 'normal' to most people , but then again you embrace homosexuality with a passion . You like to mention it a lot don't you ? Shall we delve more deeply into this subject seeing as you seem to love bringing the subject up ? Are you queer ? Do you have homosexual friends ? Are you single ? Mumf Are you Nigel Farage? Shows you are poorly educated Farage has no dislike of homosexuals  |
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Post by Admin on Aug 5, 2015 11:03:55 GMT
Weird but apart from your obvious homophobia and issues with race, the original post you put up is very in line with Corbyn's. Yes ....I think there are clear differences in our adoration of men's genitalia and hairy arses . Call me old fashioned if you wish , but queers have never attracted my attention in the same way that they do you . This is quite evident by the amount of times you bring up my aversion to such deviances . It normally occurs when you've lost the argument and lost the plot . But let's not dwell on queers and their preferences ....let's stick to the fact that the polls have proved you wrong and the party is on its arse with no clear route forward . I suppose 'weird' to you is 'normal' to most people , but then again you embrace homosexuality with a passion . You like to mention it a lot don't you ? Shall we delve more deeply into this subject seeing as you seem to love bringing the subject up ? Are you queer ? Do you have homosexual friends ? Are you single ? Mumf Cut out the homophobic language please Mumf. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 11:29:21 GMT
Yes ....I think there are clear differences in our adoration of men's genitalia and hairy arses . Call me old fashioned if you wish , but queers have never attracted my attention in the same way that they do you . This is quite evident by the amount of times you bring up my aversion to such deviances . It normally occurs when you've lost the argument and lost the plot . But let's not dwell on queers and their preferences ....let's stick to the fact that the polls have proved you wrong and the party is on its arse with no clear route forward . I suppose 'weird' to you is 'normal' to most people , but then again you embrace homosexuality with a passion . You like to mention it a lot don't you ? Shall we delve more deeply into this subject seeing as you seem to love bringing the subject up ? Are you queer ? Do you have homosexual friends ? Are you single ? Mumf Cut out the homophobic language please Mumf. You should be asking why he's so infatuated with the subject and brings it up everytime . There's far worse language use on here between straight people , but is ignored or not acted upon . Much much worse ..... What's the difference . Why the pandering ? Mumf |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 5, 2015 13:02:24 GMT
I wonder if Burnham would have come out and said this , if it had not been for Corbyn Andy Burnham vows to renationalise railways gu.com/p/4b9af?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardFor me, it seems as though this could be his new strategy......try to say something which distances himself from the other two,and something which shows a difference from the Tories move a bit towards Jeremy and thus portray himself as the only one who could keep the party united. He has said that he would have Corbyn in his cabinet. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 5, 2015 14:15:57 GMT
I wonder if Burnham would have come out and said this , if it had not been for Corbyn Andy Burnham vows to renationalise railways gu.com/p/4b9af?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardFor me, it seems as though this could be his new strategy......try to say something which distances himself from the other two,and something which shows a difference from the Tories move a bit towards Jeremy and thus portray himself as the only one who could keep the party united. He has said that he would have Corbyn in his cabinet. Hi BJR It's neither. Burnham is now vying for Jeremy Corbyn supporters' second preference votes - hence announcing the same rail nationalisation scheme that Cirbyn has been talking about since the leadership debate began. The problem Burnham has is that most Corbyn supporters I know aren't going to give any second preference. Worst case scenario for Andy Burnham will be if Corbyn wins the first round and Burnham finishes second. During the second round, Burnham's second preference votes will most likely go to Yvette Cooper and she wins overall. |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 5, 2015 17:15:06 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2015 17:51:40 GMT
While it is an interesting article, well written and has some very salient point. Buddy please do not try and hoodwink us in to thinking its balanced. It is still written from a left perspective from a left publication and in the same font as the guardian website. Balanced within it's context yes. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2015 17:52:55 GMT
You can do what you want , but don't bother making poncy remarks about me being a bully . I don't duck and dive . If someone asks me a question , then I give them a straight fucking answer first time . I don't like cowardly arsey diversionary tactics . You brought the subject up and you have once again had your arse kicked . Tough shit . You really do dwell in a fantasy world of your own. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 17:58:00 GMT
You can do what you want , but don't bother making poncy remarks about me being a bully . I don't duck and dive . If someone asks me a question , then I give them a straight fucking answer first time . I don't like cowardly arsey diversionary tactics . You brought the subject up and you have once again had your arse kicked . Tough shit . You really do dwell in a fantasy world of your own. You'd do well in your squalid council flat living in Fegg Hayes , telling me where I went wrong in life ... Let me know if you get evicted ....I've got a terraced you can rent . Mumf |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2015 18:07:16 GMT
You really do dwell in a fantasy world of your own. You'd do well in your squalid council flat living in Fegg Hayes , telling me where I went wrong in life ... Let me know if you get evicted ....I've got a terraced you can rent . Mumf I'm not telling you anything apart from wondering what makes you think you've bested me in some way? Where I live is none of your business either yet once again you broadcast a confidential PM on the main board. You quite simply cannot be trusted. All your life you've been a bully. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 18:13:56 GMT
You'd do well in your squalid council flat living in Fegg Hayes , telling me where I went wrong in life ... Let me know if you get evicted ....I've got a terraced you can rent . Mumf I'm not telling you anything apart from wondering what makes you think you've bested me in some way? Where I live is none of your business either yet once again you broadcast a confidential PM on the main board. You quite simply cannot be trusted. All your life you've been a bully. Good . |
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Post by derrida1437 on Aug 5, 2015 18:20:27 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2015 18:49:27 GMT
There are a few of them apparently. Doesn't detract from the fact that Corbyn's open, honest and refreshing approach is gaining massive support not just in the Labour movement but out across the country as well. He may fail yet but I for one admire his stance. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2015 18:54:13 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 5, 2015 18:55:00 GMT
It's also an excuse for the far left todo the same Says a lot about their voting structure. |
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