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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 22:17:08 GMT
Huddy has pointed out that Corbyn has one policy that the voters like so he is nailed on to be elected PM, however I am sure he sort of lambasted Nige and UKIP for having only one policy that was pretty much a huge vote winner, we know the one and it secured 4 million votes so he has the upper hand here, he would considering the facts be almost loony not to accept my offer almost free money for him he has until midnight to accept this once in a lifetime offer. I'd strongly recommend the Staffordshire Bull Terrier method .....Fang him and don't let go . Mumf Funny. Not. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2015 22:18:06 GMT
Huddy has pointed out that Corbyn has one policy that the voters like so he is nailed on to be elected PM, however I am sure he sort of lambasted Nige and UKIP for having only one policy that was pretty much a huge vote winner, we know the one and it secured 4 million votes so he has the upper hand here, he would considering the facts be almost loony not to accept my offer almost free money for him he has until midnight to accept this once in a lifetime offer. I've pointed out many things not just one, put a link on this thread earlier. Do try to keep up. Sorry won't play for me I will take your word for it , for what it's worth still makes your prediction even stronger now that bet. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 22:19:21 GMT
I've pointed out many things not just one, put a link on this thread earlier. Do try to keep up. Sorry won't play for me I will take your word for it , for what it's worth still makes your prediction even stronger now that bet. The "bet" is all in your head. All I said was don't dismiss his bid out of hand did I not? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 22:22:47 GMT
I'd strongly recommend the Staffordshire Bull Terrier method .....Fang him and don't let go . Mumf Funny. Not. Well......You are once again running scared aren't you ? Take the bet ....Prove that you know best . Put your money where your mouth is ? Get the idea ? Mumf |
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2015 22:25:45 GMT
I think I'll pay me £3 and vote for Liz Kendall! A bit too closely associated with the Blair camp for my liking, but with a good blueish-Labour streak running through her. And a grammar school girl. Hey, she might even bring them back  |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 22:26:39 GMT
Well......You are once again running scared aren't you ? Take the bet ....Prove that you know best . Put your money where your mouth is ? Get the idea ? Mumf Why don't you take your bullying crap somewhere else? Get the idea bully boy? There is no bet you blithering idiot. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 22:27:13 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 22:31:21 GMT
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Jul 26, 2015 22:33:32 GMT
I think I'll pay me £3 and vote for Liz Kendall! A bit too closely associated with the Blair camp for my liking, but with a good blueish-Labour streak running through her. And a grammar school girl. Hey, she might even bring them back I'd love to shag her  |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2015 22:36:34 GMT
The UK electorate in today's times will never elect a far (ish) left labour leader so corbyn won't be PM in 2020 however he could do a good job in getting the Labour Party back to some semblance of what it's there for. That may lead to a sensible left of centre leader in 20/20 to go for it in 2025 However they will probably end with same old same old in burnham or cooper so nothing will change and a labour govt will only get in for a change from Dave if Osborne beats boris. Corbyn can be as outstanding on Marr as he wants. He is still looney left to everyone who isn't far left as evidenced by reports far left trying to rig the vote For those who understand politics, Corbyn is not far left at all, he's centre left if he is to be labelled. Hence why he's gaining huge support from ordinary working people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 22:38:17 GMT
Well......You are once again running scared aren't you ? Take the bet ....Prove that you know best . Put your money where your mouth is ? Get the idea ? Mumf Why don't you take your bullying crap somewhere else? Get the idea bully boy? There is no bet you blithering idiot. Let's make it fair then ..... Your judgement v mine . I'll offer you the same opportunity as Carps did . Are you up for it ? |
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2015 23:08:15 GMT
I think I'll pay me £3 and vote for Liz Kendall! A bit too closely associated with the Blair camp for my liking, but with a good blueish-Labour streak running through her. And a grammar school girl. Hey, she might even bring them back I'd love to shag her Yes, it would be wonderful to shag her, she is a real hottie in a girl next door kind of a way  |
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2015 23:35:59 GMT
The UK electorate in today's times will never elect a far (ish) left labour leader so corbyn won't be PM in 2020 however he could do a good job in getting the Labour Party back to some semblance of what it's there for. That may lead to a sensible left of centre leader in 20/20 to go for it in 2025 However they will probably end with same old same old in burnham or cooper so nothing will change and a labour govt will only get in for a change from Dave if Osborne beats boris. Corbyn can be as outstanding on Marr as he wants. He is still looney left to everyone who isn't far left as evidenced by reports far left trying to rig the vote For those who understand politics, Corbyn is not far left at all, he's centre left if he is to be labelled. Hence why he's gaining huge support from ordinary working people. Well comrade Corbyn may not be to the left of you but the Communist Party of Great Britain has called upon its supporters to back him as part of their revolutionary strategy and they are paying their £3 and signing up in droves ahead of the deadline to offer their backing which perhaps tells you something. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 23:39:56 GMT
For those who understand politics, Corbyn is not far left at all, he's centre left if he is to be labelled. Hence why he's gaining huge support from ordinary working people. Well comrade Corbyn may not be to the left of you but the Communist Party of Great Britain has called upon its supporters to back him as part of their revolutionary strategy and they are paying their £3 and signing up in droves ahead of the deadline to offer their backing which perhaps tells you something. Imagine that ?  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2015 23:54:27 GMT
What do you consider to be his "vile" policies, Harry? I consider an open door immigration policy and everything that comes from such treachery to be vile for a start His anti Israeli stance is also disgusting. Fair enough. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 27, 2015 6:27:37 GMT
I don't believe that Corbyn could be Prime Minister for several reasons. The Labour party cannot accept him and will fall apart returning to the Militant Tendancy days. Whilst Corbyn is relatively left of centre ( in many ways), he will open the door for those much further left to recapture the party. This is already happening in terms of the new members since the leadership campaign began . The party will become a Trotsykite party in disguise and the public will not accept that. The press will have a field day. The image of him trying to hold his own ( not saying he can't) with Merkel comes to mind . Tristram in the cabinet would be funny. Some of his policies/actions of the past will be unpalatable to the electorate. He will never be convincing as safe on the economy. As much as he is right to oppose austerity per se, he will not be portrayed as someone who intends to live within his means. His position on the EU and Labour's position is the major issue that socialists have to address . Unfortunately they seem to be afraid to stick their head above the parapet on this one. Once one does so, many may follow.The honest socialist position should be anti EU. This stance may attract many working class votes, challenge UKIP and expose the split in the Tories on the issue. Unfortunately (for Labour) it would also ensure the split in their own party. This issue alone exposes how much they are more like sheep, than conviction politicians.They are waiting to see which way the wind blows, and then they will follow with enthusiasm. gu.com/p/4ak9n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardI hope that Corbyn does get elected party leader, if only to help clarify the Left and distinguish it from the Labour party. Their career politicians have been and still are like a big business, in fear of bankruptcy, whose best weapon for survival is the Marketing and PR dept. He will expose the millionaire, university educated , social theorist, Blairites for what they are and highlight the disconnect between them and the working class. It is hard being a Socialist and being rich, as Jesus nearly said. ( just like it is hard being a Vale fan, with Stoke up the road) At least Corbyn is a conviction politician and some of what he says makes sense. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 27, 2015 6:48:12 GMT
I can't recall anyone pertaining to be from the Left on the Oatcake engaging on the EU issue.Has anyone on the left made their stance clear on here?.....which could in all honesty be....I am not sure yet!
At least that would be a position of sorts.
Any takers?
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 27, 2015 9:23:39 GMT
I can't recall anyone pertaining to be from the Left on the Oatcake engaging on the EU issue.Has anyone on the left made their stance clear on here?.....which could in all honesty be....I am not sure yet! At least that would be a position of sorts. Any takers? Plenty of takers on here mate I'm sure |
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Post by Gods on Jul 27, 2015 9:25:35 GMT
I don't believe that Corbyn could be Prime Minister for several reasons. The Labour party cannot accept him and will fall apart returning to the Militant Tendancy days. Whilst Corbyn is relatively left of centre ( in many ways), he will open the door for those much further left to recapture the party. This is already happening in terms of the new members since the leadership campaign began . The party will become a Trotsykite party in disguise and the public will not accept that. The press will have a field day. The image of him trying to hold his own ( not saying he can't) with Merkel comes to mind . Tristram in the cabinet would be funny. Some of his policies/actions of the past will be unpalatable to the electorate. He will never be convincing as safe on the economy. As much as he is right to oppose austerity per se, he will not be portrayed as someone who intends to live within his means. His position on the EU and Labour's position is the major issue that socialists have to address . Unfortunately they seem to be afraid to stick their head above the parapet on this one. Once one does so, many may follow.The honest socialist position should be anti EU. This stance may attract many working class votes, challenge UKIP and expose the split in the Tories on the issue. Unfortunately (for Labour) it would also ensure the split in their own party. This issue alone exposes how much they are more like sheep, than conviction politicians.They are waiting to see which way the wind blows, and then they will follow with enthusiasm. gu.com/p/4ak9n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardI hope that Corbyn does get elected party leader, if only to help clarify the Left and distinguish it from the Labour party. Their career politicians have been and still are like a big business, in fear of bankruptcy, whose best weapon for survival is the Marketing and PR dept. He will expose the millionaire, university educated , social theorist, Blairites for what they are and highlight the disconnect between them and the working class. It is hard being a Socialist and being rich, as Jesus nearly said. ( just like it is hard being a Vale fan, with Stoke up the road) At least Corbyn is a conviction politician and some of what he says makes sense. Good post that. Guess it is no secret that I am no longer a Labour voter but I do admire Corbyn for his apparent conviction politics. Another good grammar school boy of course just like Liz Kendall. Hell, perhaps he would also bring them back  |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 27, 2015 10:08:21 GMT
I don't believe that Corbyn could be Prime Minister for several reasons. The Labour party cannot accept him and will fall apart returning to the Militant Tendancy days. Whilst Corbyn is relatively left of centre ( in many ways), he will open the door for those much further left to recapture the party. This is already happening in terms of the new members since the leadership campaign began . The party will become a Trotsykite party in disguise and the public will not accept that. The press will have a field day. The image of him trying to hold his own ( not saying he can't) with Merkel comes to mind . Tristram in the cabinet would be funny. Some of his policies/actions of the past will be unpalatable to the electorate. He will never be convincing as safe on the economy. As much as he is right to oppose austerity per se, he will not be portrayed as someone who intends to live within his means. His position on the EU and Labour's position is the major issue that socialists have to address . Unfortunately they seem to be afraid to stick their head above the parapet on this one. Once one does so, many may follow.The honest socialist position should be anti EU. This stance may attract many working class votes, challenge UKIP and expose the split in the Tories on the issue. Unfortunately (for Labour) it would also ensure the split in their own party. This issue alone exposes how much they are more like sheep, than conviction politicians.They are waiting to see which way the wind blows, and then they will follow with enthusiasm. gu.com/p/4ak9n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardI hope that Corbyn does get elected party leader, if only to help clarify the Left and distinguish it from the Labour party. Their career politicians have been and still are like a big business, in fear of bankruptcy, whose best weapon for survival is the Marketing and PR dept. He will expose the millionaire, university educated , social theorist, Blairites for what they are and highlight the disconnect between them and the working class. It is hard being a Socialist and being rich, as Jesus nearly said. ( just like it is hard being a Vale fan, with Stoke up the road) At least Corbyn is a conviction politician and some of what he says makes sense. Lots of opinions there based on assumptions and some of the terminology used could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Explains your stance well enough mind. A bit surprised with this considering your previous questions but i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started. You hope Corbyn gets elected for your own reasons, not because you want to see people represented over corporations. I'm now out, this thread has turned even more into what i said it was before my earlier post. A reminder: Imagine Arsenal fans getting worried over Stoke City and our inability to bring in big name signings over the Summer....... Like really concerned, shouting from the rooftops because they'd hate to see us relegated.
Then compare it to this thread. Shit loads of right wingers clambering over themselves to offer their advice and wisdom over the Labour leadership. Repeating every possible negative aspect of a candidates whole life, slapping each others back at every snipe made, right down to him even having the audacity to have a grey beard, i mean...the shame of it!
Nah, somethings blatantly shitting you lot up about Corbyn. Destroy the man before the message gets across. That's the establishments plan, and like silly little shit fan sheep, some of you lot can't wait to jump the train. How very dare a politician show compassion and have empathy for the people who vote for him, what a bizarre concept.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 27, 2015 18:33:58 GMT
I don't believe that Corbyn could be Prime Minister for several reasons. The Labour party cannot accept him and will fall apart returning to the Militant Tendancy days. Whilst Corbyn is relatively left of centre ( in many ways), he will open the door for those much further left to recapture the party. This is already happening in terms of the new members since the leadership campaign began . The party will become a Trotsykite party in disguise and the public will not accept that. The press will have a field day. The image of him trying to hold his own ( not saying he can't) with Merkel comes to mind . Tristram in the cabinet would be funny. Some of his policies/actions of the past will be unpalatable to the electorate. He will never be convincing as safe on the economy. As much as he is right to oppose austerity per se, he will not be portrayed as someone who intends to live within his means. His position on the EU and Labour's position is the major issue that socialists have to address . Unfortunately they seem to be afraid to stick their head above the parapet on this one. Once one does so, many may follow.The honest socialist position should be anti EU. This stance may attract many working class votes, challenge UKIP and expose the split in the Tories on the issue. Unfortunately (for Labour) it would also ensure the split in their own party. This issue alone exposes how much they are more like sheep, than conviction politicians.They are waiting to see which way the wind blows, and then they will follow with enthusiasm. gu.com/p/4ak9n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardI hope that Corbyn does get elected party leader, if only to help clarify the Left and distinguish it from the Labour party. Their career politicians have been and still are like a big business, in fear of bankruptcy, whose best weapon for survival is the Marketing and PR dept. He will expose the millionaire, university educated , social theorist, Blairites for what they are and highlight the disconnect between them and the working class. It is hard being a Socialist and being rich, as Jesus nearly said. ( just like it is hard being a Vale fan, with Stoke up the road) At least Corbyn is a conviction politician and some of what he says makes sense. Lots of opinions there based on assumptions and some of the terminology used could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Explains your stance well enough mind. A bit surprised with this considering your previous questions but i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started. You hope Corbyn gets elected for your own reasons, not because you want to see people represented over corporations. I'm now out, this thread has turned even more into what i said it was before my earlier post. A reminder: Imagine Arsenal fans getting worried over Stoke City and our inability to bring in big name signings over the Summer....... Like really concerned, shouting from the rooftops because they'd hate to see us relegated.
Then compare it to this thread. Shit loads of right wingers clambering over themselves to offer their advice and wisdom over the Labour leadership. Repeating every possible negative aspect of a candidates whole life, slapping each others back at every snipe made, right down to him even having the audacity to have a grey beard, i mean...the shame of it!
Nah, somethings blatantly shitting you lot up about Corbyn. Destroy the man before the message gets across. That's the establishments plan, and like silly little shit fan sheep, some of you lot can't wait to jump the train. How very dare a politician show compassion and have empathy for the people who vote for him, what a bizarre concept.
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but UNluckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:39:09 GMT
Lots of opinions there based on assumptions and some of the terminology used could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Explains your stance well enough mind. A bit surprised with this considering your previous questions but i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started. You hope Corbyn gets elected for your own reasons, not because you want to see people represented over corporations. I'm now out, this thread has turned even more into what i said it was before my earlier post. A reminder: Imagine Arsenal fans getting worried over Stoke City and our inability to bring in big name signings over the Summer....... Like really concerned, shouting from the rooftops because they'd hate to see us relegated.
Then compare it to this thread. Shit loads of right wingers clambering over themselves to offer their advice and wisdom over the Labour leadership. Repeating every possible negative aspect of a candidates whole life, slapping each others back at every snipe made, right down to him even having the audacity to have a grey beard, i mean...the shame of it!
Nah, somethings blatantly shitting you lot up about Corbyn. Destroy the man before the message gets across. That's the establishments plan, and like silly little shit fan sheep, some of you lot can't wait to jump the train. How very dare a politician show compassion and have empathy for the people who vote for him, what a bizarre concept.
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but luckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. You missed the two letters 'UN' before the word luckily . Apart from that , it is a magnificent post . Only the very finest eminate from Fegg Hayes . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:41:00 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jul 27, 2015 18:55:03 GMT
I don't believe that Corbyn could be Prime Minister for several reasons. The Labour party cannot accept him and will fall apart returning to the Militant Tendancy days. Whilst Corbyn is relatively left of centre ( in many ways), he will open the door for those much further left to recapture the party. This is already happening in terms of the new members since the leadership campaign began . The party will become a Trotsykite party in disguise and the public will not accept that. The press will have a field day. The image of him trying to hold his own ( not saying he can't) with Merkel comes to mind . Tristram in the cabinet would be funny. Some of his policies/actions of the past will be unpalatable to the electorate. He will never be convincing as safe on the economy. As much as he is right to oppose austerity per se, he will not be portrayed as someone who intends to live within his means. His position on the EU and Labour's position is the major issue that socialists have to address . Unfortunately they seem to be afraid to stick their head above the parapet on this one. Once one does so, many may follow.The honest socialist position should be anti EU. This stance may attract many working class votes, challenge UKIP and expose the split in the Tories on the issue. Unfortunately (for Labour) it would also ensure the split in their own party. This issue alone exposes how much they are more like sheep, than conviction politicians.They are waiting to see which way the wind blows, and then they will follow with enthusiasm. gu.com/p/4ak9n?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboardI hope that Corbyn does get elected party leader, if only to help clarify the Left and distinguish it from the Labour party. Their career politicians have been and still are like a big business, in fear of bankruptcy, whose best weapon for survival is the Marketing and PR dept. He will expose the millionaire, university educated , social theorist, Blairites for what they are and highlight the disconnect between them and the working class. It is hard being a Socialist and being rich, as Jesus nearly said. ( just like it is hard being a Vale fan, with Stoke up the road) At least Corbyn is a conviction politician and some of what he says makes sense. Lots of opinions there based on assumptions and some of the terminology used could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Explains your stance well enough mind. A bit surprised with this considering your previous questions but i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started. You hope Corbyn gets elected for your own reasons, not because you want to see people represented over corporations. I'm now out, this thread has turned even more into what i said it was before my earlier post. A reminder: Imagine Arsenal fans getting worried over Stoke City and our inability to bring in big name signings over the Summer....... Like really concerned, shouting from the rooftops because they'd hate to see us relegated.
Then compare it to this thread. Shit loads of right wingers clambering over themselves to offer their advice and wisdom over the Labour leadership. Repeating every possible negative aspect of a candidates whole life, slapping each others back at every snipe made, right down to him even having the audacity to have a grey beard, i mean...the shame of it!
Nah, somethings blatantly shitting you lot up about Corbyn. Destroy the man before the message gets across. That's the establishments plan, and like silly little shit fan sheep, some of you lot can't wait to jump the train. How very dare a politician show compassion and have empathy for the people who vote for him, what a bizarre concept.
i actually want a credible Labour Party to challenge the Tories. A govt can be made better by a good opposition. Harriet Harmon has actually said the Labour Party is out of touch and doesn't listen to its core support. Corbyn' views especially immigration do not appeal to its core support. So yes it is valid for everyone to have an opinion on the matter. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 27, 2015 19:05:01 GMT
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but luckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. You missed the two letters 'UN' before the word luckily . Apart from that , it is a magnificent post . Only the very finest eminate from Fegg Hayes . You are quite right, just a typing error! Edited! |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 27, 2015 20:58:51 GMT
Lots of opinions there based on assumptions and some of the terminology used could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Explains your stance well enough mind. A bit surprised with this considering your previous questions but i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started. You hope Corbyn gets elected for your own reasons, not because you want to see people represented over corporations. I'm now out, this thread has turned even more into what i said it was before my earlier post. A reminder: Imagine Arsenal fans getting worried over Stoke City and our inability to bring in big name signings over the Summer....... Like really concerned, shouting from the rooftops because they'd hate to see us relegated.
Then compare it to this thread. Shit loads of right wingers clambering over themselves to offer their advice and wisdom over the Labour leadership. Repeating every possible negative aspect of a candidates whole life, slapping each others back at every snipe made, right down to him even having the audacity to have a grey beard, i mean...the shame of it!
Nah, somethings blatantly shitting you lot up about Corbyn. Destroy the man before the message gets across. That's the establishments plan, and like silly little shit fan sheep, some of you lot can't wait to jump the train. How very dare a politician show compassion and have empathy for the people who vote for him, what a bizarre concept.
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but UNluckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. Firstly mate, let me make it clear, i'm not "particularly annoyed" by anything you've posted. But anyway.......... Who is it exactly who keeps repeating the mantra that Labour have no future with Corbyn as leader? Listen to the where the voices come from and that's where you can ascertain or deduce where my instant disregard for these noises being made comes from. Loads of right wingers on here repeat these noises over and over using various tactics and i'm still not convinced you were as genuinely on the fence as you claimed before any of our discussions took place, but for arguments sake i'll give you the benefit of the doubt which is why i'm bothering to reply. I appreciate the E.U question is first and foremost in your mind but i've admitted this isn't something i feel i can speak with authority about, I've already stated that it has it has very bad and good elements as far as i'm concerned. As far as Corbyn is concerned though, well goalposts have been moving massively of late regarding this subject (Germany, Greece, etc) so would it not be wise for a Euro skeptic to sit back for a while before showing their hand on the subject? Surely this tactic in an ever changing environment is to be applauded rather than getting bogged down and entrenched in a single particular viewpoint. Like i say though not a subject for this thread really despite the constant prompts. Finally i will say you are wrong, not in the regards in defending your own background and reasoning, but in that you think these "others" don't seem to be avid right wingers. Come on mate, i don't know how long you've been around but............Like Salop, who the fuck's he trying to kid. He'd love Corbyn to be leader only so he could entertain himself living out the persona of his own avatar. Thinks he's a comedy genius him. Fair play to yourself regarding Mumf though. A tool. |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 27, 2015 21:23:39 GMT
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but UNluckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. Firstly mate, let me make it clear, i'm not "particularly annoyed" by anything you've posted. But anyway.......... Who is it exactly who keeps repeating the mantra that Labour have no future with Corbyn as leader? Listen to the where the voices come from and that's where you can ascertain or deduce where my instant disregard for these noises being made comes from. Loads of right wingers on here repeat these noises over and over using various tactics and i'm still not convinced you were as genuinely on the fence as you claimed before any of our discussions took place, but for arguments sake i'll give you the benefit of the doubt which is why i'm bothering to reply. I appreciate the E.U question is first and foremost in your mind but i've admitted this isn't something i feel i can speak with authority about, I've already stated that it has it has very bad and good elements as far as i'm concerned. As far as Corbyn is concerned though, well goalposts have been moving massively of late regarding this subject (Germany, Greece, etc) so would it not be wise for a Euro skeptic to sit back for a while before showing their hand on the subject? Surely this tactic in an ever changing environment is to be applauded rather than getting bogged down and entrenched in a single particular viewpoint. Like i say though not a subject for this thread really despite the constant prompts. Finally i will say you are wrong, not in the regards in defending your own background and reasoning, but in that you think these "others" don't seem to be avid right wingers. Come on mate, i don't know how long you've been around but............Like Salop, who the fuck's he trying to kid. He'd love Corbyn to be leader only so he could entertain himself living out the persona of his own avatar. Thinks he's a comedy genius him. Fair play to yourself regarding Mumf though. A tool. im not trying to kid you for starters. I enjoy a challenge But as much fun he will be as leader I would like a credible opposition but there again with the SNP we have one  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 27, 2015 21:27:00 GMT
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but UNluckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. Firstly mate, let me make it clear, i'm not "particularly annoyed" by anything you've posted. But anyway.......... Who is it exactly who keeps repeating the mantra that Labour have no future with Corbyn as leader? Listen to the where the voices come from and that's where you can ascertain or deduce where my instant disregard for these noises being made comes from. Loads of right wingers on here repeat these noises over and over using various tactics and i'm still not convinced you were as genuinely on the fence as you claimed before any of our discussions took place, but for arguments sake i'll give you the benefit of the doubt which is why i'm bothering to reply. I appreciate the E.U question is first and foremost in your mind but i've admitted this isn't something i feel i can speak with authority about, I've already stated that it has it has very bad and good elements as far as i'm concerned. As far as Corbyn is concerned though, well goalposts have been moving massively of late regarding this subject (Germany, Greece, etc) so would it not be wise for a Euro skeptic to sit back for a while before showing their hand on the subject? Surely this tactic in an ever changing environment is to be applauded rather than getting bogged down and entrenched in a single particular viewpoint. Like i say though not a subject for this thread really despite the constant prompts. Finally i will say you are wrong, not in the regards in defending your own background and reasoning, but in that you think these "others" don't seem to be avid right wingers. Come on mate, i don't know how long you've been around but............Like Salop, who the fuck's he trying to kid. He'd love Corbyn to be leader only so he could entertain himself living out the persona of his own avatar. Thinks he's a comedy genius him. Fair play to yourself regarding Mumf though. A tool. Billy Perhaps we both want to leave it where it is now....the subject is going to come up again and both sides , as many of the threads do, are capable of repetition and repeat 'mantras'. I would like to say that I don't think I've sat on the fence with regard to Corbyn, Labour or the EU. All the best. |
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 27, 2015 21:28:04 GMT
Firstly mate, let me make it clear, i'm not "particularly annoyed" by anything you've posted. But anyway.......... Who is it exactly who keeps repeating the mantra that Labour have no future with Corbyn as leader? Listen to the where the voices come from and that's where you can ascertain or deduce where my instant disregard for these noises being made comes from. Loads of right wingers on here repeat these noises over and over using various tactics and i'm still not convinced you were as genuinely on the fence as you claimed before any of our discussions took place, but for arguments sake i'll give you the benefit of the doubt which is why i'm bothering to reply. I appreciate the E.U question is first and foremost in your mind but i've admitted this isn't something i feel i can speak with authority about, I've already stated that it has it has very bad and good elements as far as i'm concerned. As far as Corbyn is concerned though, well goalposts have been moving massively of late regarding this subject (Germany, Greece, etc) so would it not be wise for a Euro skeptic to sit back for a while before showing their hand on the subject? Surely this tactic in an ever changing environment is to be applauded rather than getting bogged down and entrenched in a single particular viewpoint. Like i say though not a subject for this thread really despite the constant prompts. Finally i will say you are wrong, not in the regards in defending your own background and reasoning, but in that you think these "others" don't seem to be avid right wingers. Come on mate, i don't know how long you've been around but............Like Salop, who the fuck's he trying to kid. He'd love Corbyn to be leader only so he could entertain himself living out the persona of his own avatar. Thinks he's a comedy genius him. Fair play to yourself regarding Mumf though. A tool. im not trying to kid you for starters. I enjoy a challenge But as much fun he will be as leader I would like a credible opposition but there again with the SNP we have one I agree, they are the closest we have to an opposition now. D Don't try the kiddums with the rest though eh, read you ike a Janet and John mate.  |
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 27, 2015 21:44:05 GMT
Lots of opinions there based on assumptions and some of the terminology used could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Explains your stance well enough mind. A bit surprised with this considering your previous questions but i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started. You hope Corbyn gets elected for your own reasons, not because you want to see people represented over corporations. I'm now out, this thread has turned even more into what i said it was before my earlier post. A reminder: Imagine Arsenal fans getting worried over Stoke City and our inability to bring in big name signings over the Summer....... Like really concerned, shouting from the rooftops because they'd hate to see us relegated.
Then compare it to this thread. Shit loads of right wingers clambering over themselves to offer their advice and wisdom over the Labour leadership. Repeating every possible negative aspect of a candidates whole life, slapping each others back at every snipe made, right down to him even having the audacity to have a grey beard, i mean...the shame of it!
Nah, somethings blatantly shitting you lot up about Corbyn. Destroy the man before the message gets across. That's the establishments plan, and like silly little shit fan sheep, some of you lot can't wait to jump the train. How very dare a politician show compassion and have empathy for the people who vote for him, what a bizarre concept.
Billy I am not quite sure what you are particularly annoyed about in my recent thread. As far as I am aware I have been totally consistent in my views , we have to accept that we don't agree. When you say "i suppose these were your thoughts about Labour and Corbyn before the thread was started."....if you visit the OP, which I started, I clearly state taking no great pleasure in the Labour party's downfall BUT I now see no future for it. I could be wrong of course, just opinion. I hope that Corbyn does get elected as Labour leader for 4 reasons: He is different from the other three who have made no impact whatsoever and represent a continuation of the same old thing.He is a sincere, conviction politician unlike the other careerist. His being leader would probably split the party and help to clarify socialism/New Labour/Labour .....given what Labour has become, I think that this would be a good thing.Fourthly, I am interested to see what he says about the EU,as this is the most important issue facing the country since the second world war, and should be the top priority for a Socialist. Having said that, I don't think that he will ever be Prime Minister.You may call that conjecture, I just call it my opinion. Nothing revolutionary in what I say, it is shared by many in the Party and outside I have made it clear on other threads that we need some sort of effective opposition , as this Government is likely to be more brutal. Finally, I always deal with the issues , not the personalities ( I learnt that from Tony Benn) but I must say this : You seem to say that only certain people should post on thus thread ( I'll just remind you that I did start it). Simply I am interested in what is happening politically, particularly with EU issue. The Labour Party has done more for me, my family and my class than any other Party. Arguably the post war Labour Government has been the most influential in history.I was born in a council house in Fegg Hayes, but UNluckily did not know Mumf.My father was a coal miner for 47 years, my mother a school cleaner ( Incidentally my father was a lifelong Labour supporter who always bought the Daily Mail..It had the best Racing pages). I was an active member of the Labour party , trade unionist, the some would say on the left of the party in my youth. Reading between the lines of many of the posters on here, many seem to me to be not avid right wingers, but ex Labour voters, who simply do not see it as a party with direction and a future. Brilliant post. More real talk. As an ex Labour voter who is now staunch UKIP I can 100% say Labour will never get my vote again |
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