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Post by onionman on Apr 10, 2015 15:48:24 GMT
Pejic: "He should look at his manager in action back in the day to learn how to use your body to back into the opposition to control those situations."
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 10, 2015 16:03:28 GMT
I think Pejic is wrong there. We were struggling to keep possession even in our own half at times and too many Chelsea players were lurking. Problem for Bego though was, without Crouch on the pitch, everything he played long was just coming straight back.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 10, 2015 16:06:10 GMT
Yes because Begovic would admit responsabillity if it wasn't his fault.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 10, 2015 16:36:35 GMT
I think Pejic is wrong there. We were struggling to keep possession even in our own half at times and too many Chelsea players were lurking. Problem for Bego though was, without Crouch on the pitch, everything he played long was just coming straight back. I think Pej is 100% wrong and it's been coming to be honest as Bego has been taking more and more risks over the course of the season in my opinion. I'm all for our possession game and our improved style but sometimes we overdo it and give the ball to players in positions they really don't want to receive if in.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 16:49:27 GMT
I think Pejic is wrong there. We were struggling to keep possession even in our own half at times and too many Chelsea players were lurking. Problem for Bego though was, without Crouch on the pitch, everything he played long was just coming straight back. I think Pej is 100% wrong and it's been coming to be honest as Bego has been taking more and more risks over the course of the season in my opinion. I'm all for our possession game and our improved style but sometimes we overdo it and give the ball to players in positions they really don't want to receive if in. Mark often talks about being "brave in possession" which I would think means: be in position to receive the ball because it will be coming
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 10, 2015 16:56:07 GMT
I think Pej is 100% wrong and it's been coming to be honest as Bego has been taking more and more risks over the course of the season in my opinion. I'm all for our possession game and our improved style but sometimes we overdo it and give the ball to players in positions they really don't want to receive if in. Mark often talks about being "brave in possession" which I would think means: be in position to receive the ball because it will be coming There's a big difference between that philosophy (which I agree with) and passing the ball to players who will instantly be under pressure while facing their own goal. Sometimes players have to use their brains when interpreting a manager's instructions.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 10, 2015 17:11:57 GMT
Mark often talks about being "brave in possession" which I would think means: be in position to receive the ball because it will be coming There's a big difference between that philosophy (which I agree with) and passing the ball to players who will instantly be under pressure while facing their own goal. Sometimes players have to use their brains when interpreting a manager's instructions. Even so, N'Zonzi was flat footed. There's no doubt there. I'm not saying it was his fault, Asmir rushed in rolling it out. Gifted a goal really, but I can see what Pej is saying.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 10, 2015 17:17:29 GMT
There's a big difference between that philosophy (which I agree with) and passing the ball to players who will instantly be under pressure while facing their own goal. Sometimes players have to use their brains when interpreting a manager's instructions. Even so, N'Zonzi was flat footed. There's no doubt there. I'm not saying it was his fault, Asmir rushed in rolling it out. Gifted a goal really, but I can see what Pej is saying. I reckon it was worse than 50/50 as to whether he was going to get the ball in my opinion so it was a bad mistake to try and give it to him.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 10, 2015 17:25:29 GMT
Even so, N'Zonzi was flat footed. There's no doubt there. I'm not saying it was his fault, Asmir rushed in rolling it out. Gifted a goal really, but I can see what Pej is saying. I reckon it was worse than 50/50 as to whether he was going to get the ball in my opinion so it was a bad mistake to try and give it to him. hmm possibly. Blame on both parts but perhaps more on Asmir. Mind you, I bet it doesn't happen again.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 10, 2015 17:30:16 GMT
As a tactic, rolling the ball to Zonz had been working; we were keeping possession for longer and seemed comfortable.
Chelsea are a good professional team and had noticed the tactic. They began to press higher when they lost the ball, and at the key moment they had two players moving to cover Zonz; who wasn't looking back to Bego when the ball was rolled.
Asmir should have realised Zonz wasn't looking to receive the ball( which is unusual) and waited longer for a safe pass; if one did not materialise he should have played it long.
The tactic itself was sound and effective but it relied on Bego only using it to players who were fully prepared to accept the ball. Zonz was moving the wrong way and the roll of the ball was not as precise as it needed to be.
Asmir is right. It was his fault.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 18:04:02 GMT
Nzonzi turned his arse on it when we had been doing it all day. To cut a long story short, he didn't want the ball at that time.
That said, the throw out was ridiculous.
Shit happens. Move on. No drama.
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 10, 2015 18:07:03 GMT
Nzonzi turned his arse on it when we had been doing it all day. To cut a long story short, he didn't want the ball at that time. That said, the throw out was ridiculous. Shit happens. Move on. No drama. Totally agree. These things happen with the new style of play. We haven't had many fuckups at the back due to our passing so it was bound to happen sooner rather than later.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 18:44:14 GMT
Pejic needs to lay off the strong stuff.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 10, 2015 19:48:29 GMT
Pejic needs to lay off the strong stuff. The article is a bit OTT. Super harsh to only blame the Zonz.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 19:58:42 GMT
Pejic needs to lay off the strong stuff. The article is a bit OTT. Super harsh to only blame the Zonz. It's complete bollocks! He didn't want it and he was right not to want it. Then the throw was piss weak anyway. Bego has admitted the fault his too.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 10, 2015 20:06:52 GMT
It's a bit of a fucker though that a nationally renowned footballer and coach has a different opinion than the Oatcake massif.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 20:10:38 GMT
It's a bit of a fucker though that a nationally renowned footballer and coach has a different opinion than the Oatcake massif. It is when it goes against 99.9% of what the rest of people have said including players that have won more than him and have more international caps.... He reminds of the other 70's lot that write in the Sentinel. It's generally tripe.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 10, 2015 20:18:42 GMT
It's a bit of a fucker though that a nationally renowned footballer and coach has a different opinion than the Oatcake massif. Plenty of nationally renowned footballers talk relentless horseshit. See Savage, Robbie, Wright, Ian, Keown, Martin.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 10, 2015 20:20:28 GMT
Most of them do and most of them in case disagreed! He is a renowned coach.......why hasn't he worked since Ipswich?
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 10, 2015 23:44:30 GMT
zonz and bego might be a couple of our best players but the reality is other clubs have best players aswell. Both are very good for us but i wouldnt say they would walk into any champions leagues clubs thoughts or first team especially one thats willing to pay them 90k a week. If they have any sense they will stay exactly where they are. We are a good transfer window away from a very good team and squad ourselves he rate of improvement under hughes has been massive, bojan signing was a masterstroke hes as good as anyone in the prem imo and hes a player to build a team around. 2 or 3 extra quality players in the summer and without the injuries we'll be pushing for top 6 in the next 2 seasons and winning a cup. Zonz would be daft to leave hes started more games at stoke this season than any other player. Players don't think like that though. They're ambitious and they back themselves to make an impact wherever they go. And that's what you've got to do as a top pro. yeah but we see it all to often, u watch what happens to wilf bony. Top player for a midtable team, gets his move but the owners of these big clubs want to show their clout and buy for the sake of buying. 2 years 5 starts later and hes back in the shop window for midctable teams. Whatvim saying is with the rate we are improving they should stay here and push for europe and cup wins here.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 11, 2015 1:14:00 GMT
Players don't think like that though. They're ambitious and they back themselves to make an impact wherever they go. And that's what you've got to do as a top pro. yeah but we see it all to often, u watch what happens to wilf bony. Top player for a midtable team, gets his move but the owners of these big clubs want to show their clout and buy for the sake of buying. 2 years 5 starts later and hes back in the shop window for midctable teams. Whatvim saying is with the rate we are improving they should stay here and push for europe and cup wins here. Bony will be a prime example I think when Pello gets the inevetible sack in summer. Obviously the new bloke comes in and buys another striker. Saying that would any sane player turn down money like that? Its a job after all...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 11, 2015 4:24:44 GMT
Players don't think like that though. They're ambitious and they back themselves to make an impact wherever they go. And that's what you've got to do as a top pro. yeah but we see it all to often, u watch what happens to wilf bony. Top player for a midtable team, gets his move but the owners of these big clubs want to show their clout and buy for the sake of buying. 2 years 5 starts later and hes back in the shop window for midctable teams. Whatvim saying is with the rate we are improving they should stay here and push for europe and cup wins here. What, instead if being able to say they played for one of the big boys? Objectively that isn't going to happen.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 11, 2015 4:38:01 GMT
yeah but we see it all to often, u watch what happens to wilf bony. Top player for a midtable team, gets his move but the owners of these big clubs want to show their clout and buy for the sake of buying. 2 years 5 starts later and hes back in the shop window for midctable teams. Whatvim saying is with the rate we are improving they should stay here and push for europe and cup wins here. Bony will be a prime example I think when Pello gets the inevetible sack in summer. Obviously the new bloke comes in and buys another striker. Saying that would any sane player turn down money like that? Its a job after all... Bony probably tripled his salary going to city ! players want two things from their career , obscene amounts of cash and some trophies for their vanity wall , if they have to choose between the two cash wins all day long
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 11, 2015 5:24:33 GMT
Bony will be a prime example I think when Pello gets the inevetible sack in summer. Obviously the new bloke comes in and buys another striker. Saying that would any sane player turn down money like that? Its a job after all... Bony probably tripled his salary going to city ! players want two things from their career , obscene amounts of cash and some trophies for their vanity wall , if they have to choose between the two cash wins all day long Sad but true. Saying that, why I love strikers like Walters and Fuller so much. Just want to play football. Glad Jon said he wants an extension beyond 2016, top man.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 11, 2015 5:32:13 GMT
Bony probably tripled his salary going to city ! players want two things from their career , obscene amounts of cash and some trophies for their vanity wall , if they have to choose between the two cash wins all day long Sad but true. Saying that, why I love strikers like Walters and Fuller so much. Just want to play football. Glad Jon said he wants an extension beyond 2016, top man. Love Walters , he's made the very best of his ability , an example to all lower league players of what can de achieved
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Post by nutterpotter on May 14, 2015 6:42:44 GMT
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Post by themistocles on May 14, 2015 7:57:12 GMT
Absolute priority this summer cannot believe we have let his contract run to his final season
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:07:53 GMT
Absolute priority this summer cannot believe we have let his contract run to his final season To be fair with this one, he has submitted two transfer requests in the last two summers. It's hardly conducive to contract talks is it? Maybe it was a tactic to divert attention away from talks?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 14, 2015 8:08:03 GMT
Absolute priority this summer cannot believe we have let his contract run to his final season Given that last summer he submitted a transfer request, the chances of persuading him to sign a new contract must have been close to zero. The choice was almost certainly to accept the request and sell him, or do what we did and persuade him to withdraw the request and revisit the situation this summer. What would you have done - and how would you have done it? EDIT: I see the onlooker and myself have come to exactly the same conclusion - game, set and match to us!
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Post by vahl on May 14, 2015 8:08:57 GMT
I have never heard/seen Steven actually say he wants to leave Stoke City - not once, not ever.
His Dad on the other hand....
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