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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2014 23:24:01 GMT
I was listening to the Man City game earlier and the commentators mentioned that the Premier League and only the Premier League are bringing in a directive to punish holding at corners in January. It was the first I'd heard of it. Should be fun......
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 10, 2014 23:42:51 GMT
Ryan's been really good lately
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Post by greyman on Dec 10, 2014 23:47:55 GMT
I hope the directive excludes people like John Terry, otherwise it would start to look as though refs make decisions solely on the basis of what they see rather than who they see doing it. We can't have that.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 10, 2014 23:59:29 GMT
I was listening to the Man City game earlier and the commentators mentioned that the Premier League and only the Premier League are bringing in a directive to punish holding at corners in January. It was the first I'd heard of it. Should be fun...... News to me too. So why were we the only ones who had the trial of this applied to them? I struggle to see how refs can distinguish between the forward holding the defender to gain an advantage and the defender holding the forward. Even with the (one and only) penalty, Bony is clearly wrestling Sharwcross just as much as Shawcross is wrestling Bony.  This could give a whole new area for cheats to prosper. |
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Post by withnall on Dec 11, 2014 0:31:41 GMT
Another step in the direction of making our game a no contact sport.
I blame that bastard Wenger for this - sure as shit he's getting what he wants.
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Post by mozzermozzer on Dec 11, 2014 0:35:57 GMT
not at stoke he isn't
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Post by robinplumpton on Dec 11, 2014 0:40:49 GMT
I was listening to the Man City game earlier and the commentators mentioned that the Premier League and only the Premier League are bringing in a directive to punish holding at corners in January. It was the first I'd heard of it. Should be fun...... News to me too. So why were we the only ones who had the trial of this applied to them? I struggle to see how refs can distinguish between the forward holding the defender to gain an advantage and the defender holding the forward. Even with the (one and only) penalty, Bony is clearly wrestling Sharwcross just as much as Shawcross is wrestling Bony. This could give a whole new area for cheats to prosper. So whyonlyus? Michael Oliver wanted to be noticed and it's easier to be noticed if you pander to populism....just ask farage. Has Michael Oliver made this stance since? Has any other ref done anything else similar? Rhetorical question. It's easier for a wannabe to make a stand against stokes' Ryan, I almost want to see Ryan transferred back to manure to see the difference in an Oliver stance. Then again, I would rather see Ryan in a Stoke shirt being a quality defender, rather than see tthe welcher that is Oliver ever be smug again. Ps anybody see Andy Carroll being wrestled down by Swansea defenders in the box this weekend? Nah neither did the ref, neither did Gary monk, neither did the MOTD panellists.... I must have imagined it. Thank god the Swansea chairman wasn't fined for stating the obvious |
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 11, 2014 0:45:14 GMT
News to me too. So why were we the only ones who had the trial of this applied to them? I struggle to see how refs can distinguish between the forward holding the defender to gain an advantage and the defender holding the forward. Even with the (one and only) penalty, Bony is clearly wrestling Sharwcross just as much as Shawcross is wrestling Bony. This could give a whole new area for cheats to prosper. So whyonlyus? Michael Oliver wanted to be noticed and it's easier to be noticed if you pander to populism....just ask farage. Has Michael Oliver made this stance since? Has any other ref done anything else similar? Rhetorical question. It's easier for a wannabe to make a stand against stokes' Ryan, I almost want to see Ryan transferred back to manure to see the difference in an Oliver stance. Then again, I would rather see Ryan in a Stoke shirt being a quality defender, rather than see tthe welcher that is Oliver ever be smug again. Ps anybody see Andy Carroll being wrestled down by Swansea defenders in the box this weekend? Nah neither did the ref, neither did Gary monk, neither did the MOTD panellists.... I must have imagined it. Thank god the Swansea chairman wasn't fined for stating the obvious After the game Ian Wright on 606 said that it was the right call for the penalty but Stoke have a right to be mighty annoyed if refs didn't continue to apply the grappling 'rule'. They haven't and we are. |
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Post by robinplumpton on Dec 11, 2014 0:54:47 GMT
And then Ian Wright moved on to the next caller. we still had a player sent off, a Daily Fascist newspaper starting a headlining campaign using our player as a scapegoat... And people wonder why he doesn't make an England squad. All it needed was Arron ramseyys girlfriends illegitimate hamster fathered by arsene Wenger to go on talk sport or the Jeremy Kyle show and it would be authenticated
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Post by robinplumpton on Dec 11, 2014 1:18:41 GMT
And then Ian Wright moved on to the next caller. we still had a player sent off, a Daily Fascist newspaper starting a headlining campaign using our player as a scapegoat... And people wonder why he doesn't make an England squad. All it needed was Arron ramseyys girlfriends illegitimate hamster fathered by arsene Wenger to go on talk sport or the Jeremy Kyle show and it would be authenticated Sent off? Xcuse that, I got lost in the emotion???? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 2:21:17 GMT
The sad truth is Oliver would have been watching Stoke on BT Sport against QPR away and thought to himself 'I'm going to watch out for that.'
Unfortunately, the pundits have amazingly stopped highlighting how Crouch is fouled every single time the ball is in the air now that he's not at Liverpool or Spurs.
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Post by corkster on Dec 11, 2014 4:14:24 GMT
I was listening to the Man City game earlier and the commentators mentioned that the Premier League and only the Premier League are bringing in a directive to punish holding at corners in January. It was the first I'd heard of it. Should be fun...... News to me too. So why were we the only ones who had the trial of this applied to them? I struggle to see how refs can distinguish between the forward holding the defender to gain an advantage and the defender holding the forward. Even with the (one and only) penalty, Bony is clearly wrestling Sharwcross just as much as Shawcross is wrestling Bony. This could give a whole new area for cheats to prosper. Why not reuse one of the rules that apply to a contested header? The rule that a player not focused on the ball has committed a foul? |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 11, 2014 7:18:02 GMT
Problem with grappling is that the ref cannot do anything other than warn the players before the set piece kick is taken. So watch closely and you will see attacking players grappling before the kick hoping to get a reaction from a defender after the kick has been taken. Boney performed this little trick perfectly to get the peno. Because refs have largely ignored grappling, probably because it's really hard to see who is the perpetrator and who is the victim, it has become much more common. If the FA are to clamp down on this it is going to be very controversial and difficult for refs to get it right. A lino behind the goal at set pieces would help.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 11, 2014 8:30:15 GMT
You can just see this beneffiting Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, etc well at the expense of lower teams.
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Post by 2004 on Dec 11, 2014 8:49:17 GMT
Well that is only going to help the bigger clubs.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 11, 2014 9:39:17 GMT
Why bother if it is only Stoke that grapple at corners?  |
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Post by enuntio on Dec 11, 2014 9:55:57 GMT
Would it be possible to banish the "holders and grapplers" to the touch line or out of the penalty area?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Dec 11, 2014 10:06:56 GMT
I find it odd how they take such a quick stance on this, but seem to have almost completely ignored diving and feigning for what seems like forever. Which is more embarrassing and harmful to the game?
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Post by adamsson on Dec 11, 2014 10:53:36 GMT
I was listening to the Man City game earlier and the commentators mentioned that the Premier League and only the Premier League are bringing in a directive to punish holding at corners in January. It was the first I'd heard of it. Should be fun...... News to me too. So why were we the only ones who had the trial of this applied to them? I struggle to see how refs can distinguish between the forward holding the defender to gain an advantage and the defender holding the forward. Even with the (one and only) penalty, Bony is clearly wrestling Sharwcross just as much as Shawcross is wrestling Bony. This could give a whole new area for cheats to prosper. It will be so easy to cheat Step 1 grab hold of defender Step 2 fall backwards Step 3 take penalty Just as Bony is demonstrating the photo |
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 11, 2014 11:10:14 GMT
I was listening to the Man City game earlier and the commentators mentioned that the Premier League and only the Premier League are bringing in a directive to punish holding at corners in January. It was the first I'd heard of it. Should be fun...... News to me too. So why were we the only ones who had the trial of this applied to them? I struggle to see how refs can distinguish between the forward holding the defender to gain an advantage and the defender holding the forward. Even with the (one and only) penalty, Bony is clearly wrestling Sharwcross just as much as Shawcross is wrestling Bony. This could give a whole new area for cheats to prosper. It was the QPR game that started to highlight the issue. I'm in agreement with your point as I said the same about Caulker continually with his hands on Ryan's chest holding or pushing him away at corners. Who was holding, who was pushing? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 11:23:42 GMT
must admit i can't find a single thing on the internet about any new directive...all i found was a statement from Scudamore saying how there was a meeting scheduled for December with referees and Prem managers and rather than there being any clampdown, it was simply a case of clarifying the rules and what constitutes a foul and what doesn't. apparently they had a similar thing with 2 footed tackles a couple of years back as the managers and players simply weren't aware of what ref's meant by various terms.
any links to this new directive anyone? just find it strange that it isn't in the press anywhere considering the media coverage a number of weeks back and especially if it comes into force in a couple of weeks!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2014 11:28:24 GMT
I just heard the commentator and Kevin Kilbane discussing it and saying it would be place, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 11:33:02 GMT
I just heard the commentator and Kevin Kilbane discussing it and saying it would be place, sorry. wasn't having a go at all mate,i have no doubt you heard them say it. just wondering if it was the commentators misinterpreting things etc. (let's face it none of them are that bright) if they do bring something in then it'd be shit to do it half way through a season and basically change the rules mid-term. fair enough if they want to clarify things but new rules etc. should be limited to the start of a season IMO, far too confusing for everyone otherwise |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 11:41:39 GMT
Just bring in retrospective punishments for it, and diving as well - we'd soon see an end to it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 11, 2014 11:53:11 GMT
I just heard the commentator and Kevin Kilbane discussing it and saying it would be place, sorry. wasn't having a go at all mate,i have no doubt you heard them say it. just wondering if it was the commentators misinterpreting things etc. (let's face it none of them are that bright) if they do bring something in then it'd be shit to do it half way through a season and basically change the rules mid-term. fair enough if they want to clarify things but new rules etc. should be limited to the start of a season IMO, far too confusing for everyone otherwise Oh I know, just annoying that there isn't owt else out there. It was the first I'd heard of it but they seemed pretty adamant and went on about it for a good minute or two. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 11, 2014 11:58:32 GMT
In the West Ham vs Swansea game at the weekend Carroll, who'd already scored two cracking headers, was on his was to nutting another one in when he was quite clearly shoved by the Swansea defender (Bartley possibly?) with both hands causing him to completely miss the ball. I'm guessing this was not given for 1 of 3 reasons:
1 - The referee and linesman missed it. There were a lot of bodies in the way to be fair.
2 - Swansea had their keeper sent off therefore it would be unfair to punish them again. I believe is this is known as the Britney Spears rule whereby the ref might have made a mistake in his original decision and having thought about it again believes he made need to make amends. Therefore the "Oops, I did it again" ruling - It seems to be common place this season.
3 - Pushing/Shoving is completely different from holding/grappling and should not be considered a punjshable offence even if it is a foul.
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 11, 2014 13:12:18 GMT
Since the incident, and since Ryan has started to attack the ball rather than mark anyone, we have looked 1000% better from defending corners. No coincidence.
Same in the oppo box, last weekends goal came from Ryan and Pete attacking the ball not lookingto wrestle (although nobody seems to spot Ryan pushing Chamberlain out of the way just as the corner is taken, into a place where the ball hits him before falling to Johnny!)
No need to get pissy about it, I was cross at the time, but has made us better defensively as a result!
He didnt miss a thing second half v Swansea when left to attack the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 13:22:20 GMT
Since the incident, and since Ryan has started to attack the ball rather than mark anyone, we have looked 1000% better from defending corners. No coincidence. Same in the oppo box, last weekends goal came from Ryan and Pete attacking the ball not lookingto wrestle (although nobody seems to spot Ryan pushing Chamberlain out of the way just as the corner is taken, into a place where the ball hits him before falling to Johnny!) No need to get pissy about it, I was cross at the time, but has made us better defensively as a result! He didnt miss a thing second half v Swansea when left to attack the ball. it's a very good point mate! as much as people on here whinge like shit and get defensive about what happened, in the long run it looks like it's actually going to improve us particularly at defending set pieces. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 11, 2014 16:13:59 GMT
Ryan Shawcross invented diving. Victor Moses invented diving.
What will we invent next?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 16:15:26 GMT
Ryan Shawcross invented diving. Victor Moses invented diving. What will we invent next? promotional posters that promote hooliganism! |
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