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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:25:57 GMT
Talk me through our attacking play today. All the midfielders and attackers. Give me the analysis on their actual input. I know you might find it difficult without mentioning Wilson. But I've done that mate. I've agreed with you there. I don't want to waste any more of my Saturday night on this, so in summary, the two points of mine you've ignored because they're inconvenient to your argument are: 1). I agree we were useless going forward today and wouldn't have scored in 1000 years. Manager got it wrong again in my opinion. 2). I don't dislike Wilson and think on the whole he's a pretty decent defender and we don't necessarily have a better option than him. But again, he's contributed to a goal today and you know it too, hence you not referring to that header of his. You won't even refer to it because you know it's true. I actually don't agree. I think our defence is very good this season. And our attack very poor. Yet some seem to focus on the former. That is blatant scapegoating. That is all mate. Goodnight.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 22:28:39 GMT
Just by way of example Rob,watch the Leicester goal back and tell me that you think Wilson is to blame more than Shawcross. Ulloa is Wilson's man and he has no idea where he is. As you've obviously not watched it back... I'll just swap Wilson and Shawcross' name for effect. i) Wilson gets knocked over by the ball outside their penalty area and stays on the ground whilst they counter attack. ii) Despite making good ground,Wilson then puts in a half hearted tackle just outside our penalty area. iii)Still not sure where he is,Wilson doesn't attempt to block the cross across our 6 yard box.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:31:46 GMT
Ulloa is Wilson's man and he has no idea where he is. As you've obviously not watched it back... I'll just swap Wilson and Shawcross' name for effect. i) Wilson gets knocked over by the ball outside their penalty area and stays on the ground whilst they counter attack. ii) Despite making good ground,Wilson then puts in a half hearted tackle just outside our penalty area. iii)Still not sure where he is,Wilson doesn't attempt to block the cross across our 6 yard box. Wilson ends up 2 yards away from the man that scores the goal, in position and has no idea that man is there. That man then scores. It was fucking awful from Wilson.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 22:31:44 GMT
Ohh dear, one of the 'W' players for the stoke irish brigade has been assaulted by Bayern, Here comes' the Knives!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 25, 2014 22:31:55 GMT
Fair enough. But in the round, we have been excellent defensively so far this season. The bald fact is only the Top 2 have conceded fewer goals than us. Wilson is a big part of that IMHO. Our main problem (yes I know we can also discuss the smaller problems too) is that only 4 teams have scored fewer goals than us. So we are Top 3 defensively and Bottom 4 offensively. That is the challenge for Mr. Hughes. Score some goals but don't screw up the defence. It seems to be a circle we can't square. Fuck me, common sense has turned up. Wilson has done well generally but the evidence is now overwhelming. He is hexed. When he makes an error it is a cataclysmic one, almost always resulting in a goal. However, I also subscribe that more serious issues remain at the other end of the field. The switching of last years Arnie for the feckless fucking buffoon on the left this season, makes the Jose Andrade (some say Ze Angola) switch of the mid 90s pale into insignificance.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:33:58 GMT
Fuck me, common sense has turned up. Wilson has done well generally but the evidence is now overwhelming. He is hexed. When he makes an error it is a cataclysmic one, almost always resulting in a goal. However, I also subscribe that more serious issues remain at the other end of the field. The switching of last years Arnie for the feckless fucking buffoon on the left this season, makes the Jose Andrade (some say Ze Angola) switch of the mid 90s pale into insignificance. 100% right At the end of the game the poor lad was the first off the pitch with not a single look to the supporters = says it all really
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 22:34:10 GMT
Fuck me, common sense has turned up. Wilson has done well generally but the evidence is now overwhelming. He is hexed. When he makes an error it is a cataclysmic one, almost always resulting in a goal. However, I also subscribe that more serious issues remain at the other end of the field. The switching of last years Arnie for the feckless fucking buffoon on the left this season, makes the Jose Andrade (some say Ze Angola) switch of the mid 90s pale into insignificance. Apparently you need to leave a pigs head in a teammates locker to get clear of that hex right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:34:15 GMT
Wilson headed it straight to the bloke who hit the post Gods. The consensus from the commentators was that it was a poor defensive header. Fair enough. But in the round, we have been excellent defensively so far this season. The bald fact is only the Top 2 have conceded fewer goals than us. Wilson is a big part of that IMHO. Our main problem (yes I know we can also discuss the smaller problems too) is that only 4 teams have scored fewer goals than us. So we are Top 3 defensively and Bottom 4 offensively. That is the challenge for Mr. Hughes. Score some goals but don't screw up the defence. It seems to be a circle we can't square. This post needs to keep going. For the idiots.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 22:35:10 GMT
As you've obviously not watched it back... I'll just swap Wilson and Shawcross' name for effect. i) Wilson gets knocked over by the ball outside their penalty area and stays on the ground whilst they counter attack. ii) Despite making good ground,Wilson then puts in a half hearted tackle just outside our penalty area. iii)Still not sure where he is,Wilson doesn't attempt to block the cross across our 6 yard box. Wilson ends up 2 yards away from the man that scores the goal, in position and has no idea that man is there. That man then scores. It was fucking awful from Wilson. Have you swapped the names back or not!?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:36:30 GMT
Wilson ends up 2 yards away from the man that scores the goal, in position and has no idea that man is there. That man then scores. It was fucking awful from Wilson. Have you swapped the names back or not!? What are you banging on about? Wilson's man scores with Wilson close enough to be marking him but he has no idea where he is. It's Wilson's fault.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 22:38:41 GMT
Have you swapped the names back or not!? What are you banging on about? Wilson's man scores with Wilson close enough to be marking him but he has no idea where he is. It's Wilson's fault. Read my post. It's not Wilson's fault.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:41:06 GMT
What are you banging on about? Wilson's man scores with Wilson close enough to be marking him but he has no idea where he is. It's Wilson's fault. Read my post. It's not Wilson's fault. I have and it makes no sense and I can't watch the goal back to try and make head nor tail of it. However, I did watch the goal lots at the time and it's clearly Wilson's man, Wilson is in attendance but actually has no idea Ulloa is there so doesn't bother marking him. It's 100% Wilson's fault.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:45:25 GMT
Fair enough. But in the round, we have been excellent defensively so far this season. The bald fact is only the Top 2 have conceded fewer goals than us. Wilson is a big part of that IMHO. Our main problem (yes I know we can also discuss the smaller problems too) is that only 4 teams have scored fewer goals than us. So we are Top 3 defensively and Bottom 4 offensively. That is the challenge for Mr. Hughes. Score some goals but don't screw up the defence. It seems to be a circle we can't square. This post needs to keep going. For the idiots. It does indeed
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 22:47:06 GMT
Wilson would of had a 7.9 on Opta. His most negative statistic's 1 foul = 1 yellow and ohh 1 goal scored on him yet again this season. Of the 9 goals scored on us this season 5 were wilson's man. He does have a 88% passing rating from the back though! That will win us games! He had a final of 6.4.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:50:49 GMT
This post needs to keep going. For the idiots. It does indeed Were you a Collins apologist too?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2014 22:52:50 GMT
Were you a Collins apologist too? Nope - thought he was shit
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:58:13 GMT
Were you a Collins apologist too? Nope - thought he was shit This is exactly the same...... In fact the amount of goals Wilson is liable for is probably more per game than Collins ever got as a ratio. It's impressive.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 23:14:57 GMT
If only we could replace Marc as I'm sure that'd see us playing decent one touch football.
They're all just not as it as a team at the moment so to just single out Wilson is a bit lame in my opinion.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 23:18:15 GMT
If only we could replace Marc as I'm sure that'd see us playing decent one touch football. They're all just not as it as a team at the moment so to just single out Wilson is a bit lame in my opinion. Umm Hello... Only stoke player to out play andy.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 23:21:13 GMT
If only we could replace Marc as I'm sure that'd see us playing decent one touch football. They're all just not as it as a team at the moment so to just single out Wilson is a bit lame in my opinion. Umm Hello... Only stoke player to out play andy. WTF?.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 23:22:48 GMT
Umm Hello... Only stoke player to out play andy. WTF?. Muni, he's more physical and in your face than Marc and is a better CB.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 23:29:55 GMT
Muni, he's more physical and in your face than Marc and is a better CB. For what it's worth I agree with you and on another note I think Wilson is shite. I said at the start of the season that his days are numbered because the only position he's of any use is at left back and now we have better players in that position then I can see him becoming surplus to requirements. If Huth hadn't have been injured then I believe Wilson would have be one like Wilko, frozen out.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 25, 2014 23:44:39 GMT
He's wank and in Every game he could fuck things right up and he normally does. Awful header.
Has to be dropped.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 23:48:02 GMT
I've been wanting a Muni LCB, Pieters left Fullback pairing since Leicester. Wilson is just a massive liability he's dropped off so much in his form and how they can't see that is worrying. At one point in the game today he jumped on Pelle as if a baby chimp onto it's mother it was laughable when he was shrugged off as non existent.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 25, 2014 23:55:10 GMT
To be fair to Wilson he's a very solid defender losing Huth last year wasn't as much as a blow as what I originally thought it was. When teams try and attack us through the middle, I'd say Wilson actually shades Huth as being better at handling opposing players/attacks through the middle.
Where we miss Huth the most, and we seem to be conceding most of our goals from these situations, is when teams get out wide and balls start coming in as well as set pieces. One of Huth's main strength (as is Ryan's) is reading the game picking up players, taking up good positions, having quick reactions; Huth always seemed to know where a ball would be played. The Hull and Leicester goals are 2 goals I'm convinced we wouldn't have conceded for this reason.
We all know of Huth imperious ability in the air, and we miss it at set pieces. Not in terms of defending them Wilson has more than step up to the mark in that respect, but attacking them. We are so shit at set pieces its untrue, if we're not careful it cost us serious points. I know the delivery isn't great but if we had Huth charging in it'll at least give us half a chance.
It's not necessarily to Wilson's detriment that people want Huth back, but Huth's a mighty fine defender.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 26, 2014 0:05:12 GMT
To be fair to Wilson he's a very solid defender losing Huth last year wasn't as much as a blow as what I originally thought it was. When teams try and attack us through the middle, I'd say Wilson actually shades Huth as being better at handling opposing players/attacks through the middle. Where we miss Huth the most, and we seem to be conceding most of our goals from these situations, is when teams get out wide and balls start coming in as well as set pieces. One of Huth's main strength (as is Ryan's) is reading the game picking up players, taking up good positions, having quick reactions; Huth always seemed to know where a ball would be played. The Hull and Leicester goals are 2 goals I'm convinced we wouldn't have conceded for this reason. We all know of Huth imperious ability in the air, and we miss it at set pieces. Not in terms of defending them Wilson has more than step up to the mark in that respect, but attacking them. We are so shit at set pieces its untrue, if we're not careful it cost us serious points. I know the delivery isn't great but if we had Huth charging in it'll at least give us half a chance. It's not necessarily to Wilson's detriment that people want Huth back, but Huth's a mighty fine defender. I don't think we'd of conceded today if huth was in wilson's place marking.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 26, 2014 0:11:54 GMT
Wilson is our best defender this season Why did no one else react after the header and allow them two free shots on goal
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Post by Davef on Oct 26, 2014 0:15:39 GMT
Wilson is our best defender this season Why did no one else react after the header and allow them two free shots on goal Because the scorer was unmarked. However if our "best defender this season" hadn't made a complete arse up of his header the ball wouldn't have ended up in the back of the net.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 26, 2014 0:15:55 GMT
Wilson is our best defender this season Why did no one else react after the header and allow them two free shots on goal Actually, at home he's been much better but Shawcross beats him. Away he's been our worst so far this season.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 26, 2014 0:28:46 GMT
Wilson is our best defender this season Why did no one else react after the header and allow them two free shots on goal Actually, at home he's been much better but Shawcross beats him. Away he's been our worst so far this season. Have you ever been to a Stoke game
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