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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:24:56 GMT
Has anybody commented on the lack of goals yet? Throughout the thread people have agreed that it's an issue. Now talk us through their goal. As I keep saying (and you keep ignoring because it's inconvenient) I actually think Wilson might still be the best option there currently available to us. His errors keep leading to goals despite general good performances though, and that has to be worthy of discussion surely?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:27:30 GMT
They hit the post and then stick it in the roof of the net. No blame on Wilson for me.
Then again, I can realise where the real problems lie today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:31:11 GMT
This just wreaks of Danny Collins. Fanbloodytastic, it's like time never passed.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:31:16 GMT
They hit the post and then stick it in the roof of the net. No blame on Wilson for me. Then again, I can realise where the real problems lie today. How did the bloke who hit the post get the ball? Come on mate, be objective.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 21:31:47 GMT
Every team concedes what you'd call "painfully elementary" goals. Only 2 teams have conceded less yet only 3 teams have scored less than us..How you come to the conclusion that Wilson is to "blame" is unreal. But if you look at the goals conceded he's been at the centre of it. It's not a mass hallucination. I think you(and others) are being grossly unfair on a player that's had to replace a mainstay in our defence,in Huth,and in the main done very well.If he'd been as half as bad as I keep reading we'd have conceded as many goals as L'pool,Man U or Everton.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:33:34 GMT
But if you look at the goals conceded he's been at the centre of it. It's not a mass hallucination. I think you(and others) are being grossly unfair on a player that's had to replace a mainstay in our defence,in Huth,and in the main done very well.If he'd been as half as bad as I keep reading we'd have conceded as many goals as L'pool,Man U or Everton. But go through the goals themselves.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:33:57 GMT
But if you look at the goals conceded he's been at the centre of it. It's not a mass hallucination. I think you(and others) are being grossly unfair on a player that's had to replace a mainstay in our defence,in Huth,and in the main done very well.If he'd been as half as bad as I keep reading we'd have conceded as many goals as L'pool,Man U or Everton. It's not about the amount we've conceded in total is it? How many of them has Wilson been responsible for? He did it last season, he's doing it. It has to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:34:50 GMT
They hit the post and then stick it in the roof of the net. No blame on Wilson for me. Then again, I can realise where the real problems lie today. How did the bloke who hit the post get the ball? Come on mate, be objective. I'm all for being objective. 90 minutes of play, how many chances did our attacking players create? Be honest, and ignore the scapegoat.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 21:38:23 GMT
But go through the goals themselves. Not much point because we wouldn't agree on whose fault the goal was.From memory you thought Wilson was at fault for goal at Hull,I thought Bego could have done better.I'm sure there would be more.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:41:08 GMT
Not much point because we wouldn't agree on whose fault the goal was.From memory you thought Wilson was at fault for goal at Hull,I thought Bego could have done better.I'm sure there would be more. I thought both were at fault. Villa, Leicester, Sunderland, today, all arguments there too. There's some who'll blame him for anything but there are people like WD who have decided he's immaculate which is just as daft.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:42:06 GMT
How did the bloke who hit the post get the ball? Come on mate, be objective. I'm all for being objective. 90 minutes of play, how many chances did our attacking players create? Be honest, and ignore the scapegoat. But I've agreed with you there mate. Why have you pretended I haven't? But the goal itself owed a lot to a poor defensive header.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:43:20 GMT
How did the bloke who hit the post get the ball? Come on mate, be objective. I'm all for being objective. 90 minutes of play, how many chances did our attacking players create? Be honest, and ignore the scapegoat. We were away from home against a good side we were never going to create that many chances, especially with how we've been playing. But making a defensive header and getting it bounce more than 2 yards away, I kind of expect to happen. Call me a perfectionist...
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Post by RAF on Oct 25, 2014 21:43:37 GMT
To be fair WD rated Collins highly. After that he shouldn't ever be allowed to comment on defence ever again the cunt!
H :)
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 21:51:18 GMT
I thought both were at fault. Villa, Leicester, Sunderland, today, all arguments there too. There's some who'll blame him for anything but there are people like WD who have decided he's immaculate which is just as daft. Villa goal,Huth would have dealt with it. Leicester-good goal by them.Think that was the goal that one our centre halves got fouled just outside their penalty area and despite not getting the decision,lay on the ground whilst the opposition attacked. S'Land-You can blame Wilson for 1 of the 3.
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2014 21:51:58 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then?
I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net?
Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another.
For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons.
We're fucked up front, can't buy a goal. It's no wonder the forensics team is called in on the odd occasion we concede one because if we do it invariably costs us the game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:55:15 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. The ball came in and he headed it and headed it and it bounced about 2 yards in front of him Gods, it was a simple case of he needed to clear his lines and failed miserably.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 21:57:44 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. The ball came in and he headed it and headed it and it bounced about 2 yards in front of him Gods, it was a simple case of he needed to clear his line and failed miserably. Christ your right bayern, one more mishap to your list. Wilson must have not have the luck of the Irish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:02:31 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. We're fucked up front, can't buy a goal. It's no wonder the forensics team is called in on the odd occasion we concede one because if we do it invariably costs us the game. Stop talking shit. We lose games and don't score goals because of Wilson. It makes me laugh writing it
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 22:03:23 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. We're fucked up front, can't buy a goal. It's no wonder the forensics team is called in on the odd occasion we concede one because if we do it invariably costs us the game. Wilson headed it straight to the bloke who hit the post Gods. The consensus from the commentators was that it was a poor defensive header.
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Post by RAF on Oct 25, 2014 22:05:57 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. We're fucked up front, can't buy a goal. It's no wonder the forensics team is called in on the odd occasion we concede one because if we do it invariably costs us the game. Stop talking shit. We lose games and don't score goals because of Wilson. It makes me laugh writing it :D And you don't know what a fucking through ball is. Just shut up! H :)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:06:28 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. We're fucked up front, can't buy a goal. It's no wonder the forensics team is called in on the odd occasion we concede one because if we do it invariably costs us the game. Wilson headed it straight to the bloke who hit the post Gods. The consensus from the commentators was that it was a poor defensive header. Are you able to form an opinion without the commentators?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 22:11:47 GMT
Wilson headed it straight to the bloke who hit the post Gods. The consensus from the commentators was that it was a poor defensive header. Are you able to form an opinion without the commentators? That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:13:06 GMT
Are you able to form an opinion without the commentators? That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that. Is he?
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2014 22:15:18 GMT
Was the goal Wilson's fault then? I was at the game and I didn't see that, it just looked like a case of ball hits post, unluckily ricochets back to Southampton player who whacks it in to the top of the net? Guess if you dig deep enough you can attribute any goal, and I mean any goal, to a defensive error of one kind or another. For me, I like Wilson, although I do think if Huth were really fit he would be back in the centre back berth, but he's not back and so my guess is he there are issues with his fitness. Go in to a match like today anything short of full mobility and you would have got cut to ribbons. We're fucked up front, can't buy a goal. It's no wonder the forensics team is called in on the odd occasion we concede one because if we do it invariably costs us the game. Wilson headed it straight to the bloke who hit the post Gods. The consensus from the commentators was that it was a poor defensive header. Fair enough. But in the round, we have been excellent defensively so far this season. The bald fact is only the Top 2 have conceded fewer goals than us. Wilson is a big part of that IMHO. Our main problem (yes I know we can also discuss the smaller problems too) is that only 4 teams have scored fewer goals than us. So we are Top 3 defensively and Bottom 4 offensively. That is the challenge for Mr. Hughes. Score some goals but don't screw up the defence. It seems to be a circle we can't square.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:16:57 GMT
Are you able to form an opinion without the commentators? That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that. Talk me through our attacking play today. All the midfielders and attackers. Give me the analysis on their actual input. I know you might find it difficult without mentioning Wilson.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 22:17:02 GMT
Are you able to form an opinion without the commentators? That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that. Just by way of example Rob,watch the Leicester goal back and tell me that you think Wilson is to blame more than Shawcross.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:18:01 GMT
Wilson headed it straight to the bloke who hit the post Gods. The consensus from the commentators was that it was a poor defensive header. Fair enough. But in the round, we have been excellent defensively so far this season. The bald fact is only the Top 2 have conceded fewer goals than us. Wilson is a big part of that IMHO. Our main problem (yes I know we can also discuss the smaller problems too) is that only 4 teams have scored fewer goals than us. So we are Top 3 defensively and Bottom 4 offensively. That is the challenge for Mr. Hughes. Score some goals but don't screw up the defence. It seems to be a circle we can't square. Fuck me, common sense has turned up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 22:21:36 GMT
That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that. Just by way of example Rob,watch the Leicester goal back and tell me that you think Wilson is to blame more than Shawcross. Wilson's man scores and Wilson has no idea where he is...........
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 22:22:22 GMT
That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that. Talk me through our attacking play today. All the midfielders and attackers. Give me the analysis on their actual input. I know you might find it difficult without mentioning Wilson. But I've done that mate. I've agreed with you there. I don't want to waste any more of my Saturday night on this, so in summary, the two points of mine you've ignored because they're inconvenient to your argument are: 1). I agree we were useless going forward today and wouldn't have scored in 1000 years. Manager got it wrong again in my opinion. 2). I don't dislike Wilson and think on the whole he's a pretty decent defender and we don't necessarily have a better option than him. But again, he's contributed to a goal today and you know it too, hence you not referring to that header of his. You won't even refer to it because you know it's true.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 22:22:58 GMT
That's pretty lame mate. You're better than that. Just by way of example Rob,watch the Leicester goal back and tell me that you think Wilson is to blame more than Shawcross. Ulloa is Wilson's man and he has no idea where he is.
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