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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 18:11:36 GMT
I'm not even going there. I'm sure i watched the same game as everybody else. We wouldn't score if we were still playing now. The simple fact is that they were much much better than us on the day. We never looked liked coring in a month of Sundays. I understand the default criticism is to blame Wilson. If Huth was playing we'd have been ruthless in the final third.... Enjoy your evening idiots. Was he alone to blame for the defeat? No. Did one of his mistakes contribute to the goal (again)? Yes. Do we have any better options than him? Possibly not. Where were your conclusions last week? The first time Swansea cut us apart was Ryan's fault yes? Are we picking and choosing our criticisms?
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 25, 2014 18:20:33 GMT
All the fucking lot of em were absolute shit today including the manager, why can't we start a game when the first whistle goes instead of waiting till half time, fucking garbage stoke, every one of those fans went there today should get their money back
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 18:24:19 GMT
Was he alone to blame for the defeat? No. Did one of his mistakes contribute to the goal (again)? Yes. Do we have any better options than him? Possibly not. Where were your conclusions last week? The first time Swansea cut us apart was Ryan's fault yes? Are we picking and choosing our criticisms? They're up mate. I didn't get them finished til Wednesday, by which time there wasn't much point posting them. Might be the same this week too. You said in the week that Whelan couldn't be compared to Ryan, yet Wilson apparently can? Why's that? I think Wilson is 85% of the time a very decent defender, but surely you can see he's the common denominator in so many of the goals we concede? Would you say his header today was a factor in the goal, yes or no? I'm not convinced any of the other options we have will do any better, but we're surely getting to the stage where it's worth a try aren't we?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 25, 2014 18:35:28 GMT
Where were your conclusions last week? The first time Swansea cut us apart was Ryan's fault yes? Are we picking and choosing our criticisms? They're up mate. I didn't get them finished til Wednesday, by which time there wasn't much point posting them. Might be the same this week too. You said in the week that Whelan couldn't be compared to Ryan, yet Wilson apparently can? Why's that? I think Wilson is 85% of the time a very decent defender, but surely you can see he's the common denominator in so many of the goals we concede? Would you say his header today was a factor in the goal, yes or no? I'm not convinced any of the other options we have will do any better, but we're surely getting to the stage where it's worth a try aren't we? I think they could have scored from a lot of opportunities, they just happened to convert the one that started with a poor clearance. Wilson should have been dropped from his previous outings before today's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:45:26 GMT
Where were your conclusions last week? The first time Swansea cut us apart was Ryan's fault yes? Are we picking and choosing our criticisms? They're up mate. I didn't get them finished til Wednesday, by which time there wasn't much point posting them. Might be the same this week too. You said in the week that Whelan couldn't be compared to Ryan, yet Wilson apparently can? Why's that? I think Wilson is 85% of the time a very decent defender, but surely you can see he's the common denominator in so many of the goals we concede? Would you say his header today was a factor in the goal, yes or no? I'm not convinced any of the other options we have will do any better, but we're surely getting to the stage where it's worth a try aren't we? So, that question you completely avoided. The first time Swansea cut us apart, as you pointed out, who was at fault???
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Oct 25, 2014 20:48:19 GMT
Huths finished under this manager,he wants defenders who can pass not defenders who can defened 100% incorrect
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 20:49:44 GMT
How many goal's is that now? 6, 7? He has to be dropped. Fucking liability. That's right,we finished 9th in the Prem with a liability in one of the most important positions in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:51:09 GMT
Yeah, why would we blame him when he's cost us another goal and another point? Get a grip WD! Nonsense, the defence didn't cost us today - they were under the kosh for most of the game as we had no outlet in the final third, it was inevitable that Southampton would score and we're lucky we kept it to 1.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 20:53:10 GMT
How many goal's is that now? 6, 7? He has to be dropped. Fucking liability. That's right,we finished 9th in the Prem with a liability in one of the most important positions in the team. Spot on. Shawcross carried him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:53:54 GMT
We were clueless in attack today. Absolutely woeful.
Anybody who criticises elsewhere is scapegoating. Simple as that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 20:54:15 GMT
Yeah, why would we blame him when he's cost us another goal and another point? Get a grip WD! Nonsense, the defence didn't cost us today - they were under the kosh for most of the game as we had no outlet in the final third, it was inevitable that Southampton would score and we're lucky we kept it to 1. If Wilson could head a ball properly, we would have nicked a point, an undeserved point but a point none the least. That point come the end of the season could be massive.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 20:54:36 GMT
They're up mate. I didn't get them finished til Wednesday, by which time there wasn't much point posting them. Might be the same this week too. You said in the week that Whelan couldn't be compared to Ryan, yet Wilson apparently can? Why's that? I think Wilson is 85% of the time a very decent defender, but surely you can see he's the common denominator in so many of the goals we concede? Would you say his header today was a factor in the goal, yes or no? I'm not convinced any of the other options we have will do any better, but we're surely getting to the stage where it's worth a try aren't we? So, that question you completely avoided. The first time Swansea cut us apart, as you pointed out, who was at fault??? So I take it you don't agree with that assessment, given you've totally ignored it? Which time are we talking about, the time he went clear and tried to con a pen out of the ref? I thought it was Hughes' fault for not picking a defensive midfielder capable of doing a job on Gylfi. If you've read the last conclusions, I criticise Ryan for the penalty incident.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 20:54:40 GMT
Where were your conclusions last week? The first time Swansea cut us apart was Ryan's fault yes? Are we picking and choosing our criticisms? They're up mate. I didn't get them finished til Wednesday, by which time there wasn't much point posting them. Might be the same this week too. You said in the week that Whelan couldn't be compared to Ryan, yet Wilson apparently can? Why's that? I think Wilson is 85% of the time a very decent defender, but surely you can see he's the common denominator in so many of the goals we concede? Would you say his header today was a factor in the goal, yes or no? I'm not convinced any of the other options we have will do any better, but we're surely getting to the stage where it's worth a try aren't we? You do know that we've conceded just 10 goals so far this season,don't you? A record that's only bettered by the top 2 teams in the division!?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 20:56:11 GMT
We were clueless in attack today. Absolutely woeful. Anybody who criticises elsewhere is scapegoating. Simple as that. So the defending couldn't have been any better for the goal? Is it not fair to say we were dreadful going forward but conceded a poor goal again? Pretending there's no issue at all and everyone is just a big ol' meanie is as embarrassing as scapegoating.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 20:56:16 GMT
We were clueless in attack today. Absolutely woeful. Anybody who criticises elsewhere is scapegoating. Simple as that. We have been all season a bit like Wilson being an issue all season. Both are reasons why I think we'll struggle. Wilson is the reason we didn't nick a point. The attack is the reason we completely didn't deserve that point but sometimes you get undeserved points and they could be vital. A solid defence is what has got us those points in the past. Not any more.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 20:59:08 GMT
They're up mate. I didn't get them finished til Wednesday, by which time there wasn't much point posting them. Might be the same this week too. You said in the week that Whelan couldn't be compared to Ryan, yet Wilson apparently can? Why's that? I think Wilson is 85% of the time a very decent defender, but surely you can see he's the common denominator in so many of the goals we concede? Would you say his header today was a factor in the goal, yes or no? I'm not convinced any of the other options we have will do any better, but we're surely getting to the stage where it's worth a try aren't we? You do know that we've conceded just 10 goals so far this season,don't you? A record that's only bettered by the top 2 teams in the division!? So? We've conceded some painfully elementary goals and we've faced a fair few teams who showed little attacking intent or capability and still not managed to beat them. It comes back to the issue I mentioned earlier. Are you happy to have a defender who is solid for 80 minutes but then gifts someone a goal? I'm not saying I know what the answer is, but are we not getting to the stage where someone else is worth a try just to see if it makes a difference?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:01:18 GMT
10 goals, about 8 of them are utterly avoidable with good sensible defending.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:02:04 GMT
I find it strange that Wilson is outstanding against Swansea and certain people who don't like him are completely silent.
Then when we are completely woeful in attack during the next game, they jump on his back.
Why not just criticise the fact we were useless in the final third?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:04:14 GMT
I didn't think he was outstanding WD and said so straight after the game.......
Oh and because that didn't cost us a point, Wilson did.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 21:04:47 GMT
You do know that we've conceded just 10 goals so far this season,don't you? A record that's only bettered by the top 2 teams in the division!? So? We've conceded some painfully elementary goals and we've faced a fair few teams who showed little attacking intent or capability and still not managed to beat them. It comes back to the issue I mentioned earlier. Are you happy to have a defender who is solid for 80 minutes but then gifts someone a goal? I'm not saying I know what the answer is, but are we not getting to the stage where someone else is worth a try just to see if it makes a difference? Every team concedes what you'd call "painfully elementary" goals. Only 2 teams have conceded less yet only 3 teams have scored less than us..How you come to the conclusion that Wilson is to "blame" is unreal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:07:25 GMT
Does anybody realise we were shit today and couldn't fscore in a brothel?
It amazes me that people don't criticise the players that completely let us down.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 25, 2014 21:07:24 GMT
10 goals, about 8 of them are utterly avoidable with good sensible defending. So you reckon we should have only conceded 2 goals this season? Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:09:10 GMT
10 goals, about 8 of them are utterly avoidable with good sensible defending. So you reckon we should have only conceded 2 goals this season? Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt. No not at all, people will make mistakes but when it's the same bloke, time after time after time, it irks me. He was doing it last season, he's gone into this season like Danny Collins on speed with it. It's an absolute disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:12:07 GMT
So you reckon we should have only conceded 2 goals this season? Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt. No not at all, people will make mistakes but when it's the same bloke, time after time after time, it irks me. He was doing it last season, he's gone into this season like Danny Collins on speed with it. It's an absolute disgrace. Drop him and we dick the opposition 0-0. Simple as that.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:12:50 GMT
I find it strange that Wilson is outstanding against Swansea and certain people who don't like him are completely silent. Then when we are completely woeful in attack during the next game, they jump on his back. Why not just criticise the fact we were useless in the final third? The fact that we were useless was a factor, but that wasn't why we conceded a goal was it? Have you painted yourself into such a corner that you can't admit when he's made a mistake? I wasn't silent about Wilson last week and I don't dislike him despite your #topbantz attempts to make it that black or white.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:16:55 GMT
I find it strange that Wilson is outstanding against Swansea and certain people who don't like him are completely silent. Then when we are completely woeful in attack during the next game, they jump on his back. Why not just criticise the fact we were useless in the final third? The fact that we were useless was a factor, but that wasn't why we conceded a goal was it? Have you painted yourself into such a corner that you can't admit when he's made a mistake? I wasn't silent about Wilson last week and I don't dislike him despite your #topbantz attempts to make it that black or white. A factor? You think I have an agenda yet you can't admit we lost today because we couldn't create anything of note? If you didn't have an agenda on Wilson you would be as concerned as the rest of us. I actually hope Wilson gets dropped now because it will force some fans to drop the nonsense and start looking at the actual problems that plague us. And it isn't Marc Wilson
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:20:36 GMT
So? We've conceded some painfully elementary goals and we've faced a fair few teams who showed little attacking intent or capability and still not managed to beat them. It comes back to the issue I mentioned earlier. Are you happy to have a defender who is solid for 80 minutes but then gifts someone a goal? I'm not saying I know what the answer is, but are we not getting to the stage where someone else is worth a try just to see if it makes a difference? Every team concedes what you'd call "painfully elementary" goals. Only 2 teams have conceded less yet only 3 teams have scored less than us..How you come to the conclusion that Wilson is to "blame" is unreal. But if you look at the goals conceded he's been at the centre of it. It's not a mass hallucination.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 25, 2014 21:21:03 GMT
The fact that we were useless was a factor, but that wasn't why we conceded a goal was it? Have you painted yourself into such a corner that you can't admit when he's made a mistake? I wasn't silent about Wilson last week and I don't dislike him despite your #topbantz attempts to make it that black or white. A factor? You think I have an agenda yet you can't admit we lost today because we couldn't create anything of note? If you didn't have an agenda on Wilson you would be as concerned as the rest of us. I actually hope Wilson gets dropped now because it will force some fans to drop the nonsense and start looking at the actual problems that plague us. And it isn't Marc Wilson We can see it's an issue though?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 21:21:41 GMT
The fact that we were useless was a factor, but that wasn't why we conceded a goal was it? Have you painted yourself into such a corner that you can't admit when he's made a mistake? I wasn't silent about Wilson last week and I don't dislike him despite your #topbantz attempts to make it that black or white. A factor? You think I have an agenda yet you can't admit we lost today because we couldn't create anything of note? If you didn't have an agenda on Wilson you would be as concerned as the rest of us. I actually hope Wilson gets dropped now because it will force some fans to drop the nonsense and start looking at the actual problems that plague us. And it isn't Marc Wilson What do you mean I can't admit that? I've agreed with that every step of the way. That wasn't the only factor though. Why won't you talk about the goal we conceded and the circumstances relating to it? Maybe have a bash at actually reading what I post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:22:09 GMT
Has anybody commented on the lack of goals yet?
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