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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2014 12:02:36 GMT
Charlie didn't do much again last night as he didn't at QPR. I'm a big fan of his but the position he plays requires him to be more mobile and move the ball quicker than he is at present. That's why Ireland will play once he's fit. Did you not see Ireland at Sunderland, Jamo. Horrendous is being kind.
Ireland was poor against Sunderland but Charlie offered very little last night.
Maybe it was down to the knock he took in the first half but if it was, then I'm surprised he came out after the break.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 30, 2014 12:04:00 GMT
I thought Ireland played well last night. Some nice touches, more energy than Charlie but two horrendous efforts on goal and one abysmal cross from a brilliant position. The ballooned shot over the bar was a real disappointment.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 12:05:57 GMT
It's a trade off for sure.
Charlie is much more of a goal threat but Ireland suits the role more as he is quicker on the ball.
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Post by adi on Sept 30, 2014 12:08:30 GMT
Yea but they're only stats, you can't argue with the oracles on the oatcake! Stats mean nothing and we should only value the opinion of the experts on here....apparently! So you don't think he broke up attacks? Not that I agree with it but the crowd didn't show their frustration for nothing I agree he did sometimes stop rather than venture forward with the ball, which I think he should do more often, but he passed the ball forward as much as back, which is inexplicably denied by some on here.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 30, 2014 12:10:52 GMT
Have any of you planks ever considered that N'Zonzi is doing exactly what his manager is asking him to?
Some on here clearly want Holloway as Stoke manager, and after hearing some of the deranged tools around me last night baying for kick & rush football a few want Pulis back too. I personally would rather stick with Hughes.
N'Zonzi is the classiest centre-midfielder we have had at Stoke in decades. Apart from his shooting his general play is superb.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2014 12:11:48 GMT
I thought N'Zonzi was absolutely fine last night, a good 7 (maybe 8) out of 10.
Supporters jeering their own player for accurately passing the ball to one of his colleagues, is just bat shit mental.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 12:13:03 GMT
I thought N'Zonzi was absolutely fine last night, a good 7 (maybe 8) out of 10.
Supporters jeering their own player for accurately passing the ball to one of his colleagues, is just bat shit mental.
Crazy, Paul. On a couple of occasions he even frustrated me when he could and should have moved forward but this player is the glue that holds our play together.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2014 12:14:37 GMT
I thought N'Zonzi was absolutely fine last night, a good 7 (maybe 8) out of 10.
Supporters jeering their own player for accurately passing the ball to one of his colleagues, is just bat shit mental.
Crazy, Paul. On a couple of occasions he even frustrated me when he could and should have moved forward but this player is the glue that holds our play together. I really don't think he is, in fact he is one of the reasons that Whelan has to be the glue.
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2014 12:14:43 GMT
No, not at all. What's your point shug? You refuse to allow other peoples opinions, or even acknowledge them. Worse still, your only style of response is to belittle them if they don't agree with you. If someone wants to come here and say N'Zonzi didn't play well they're fully within their rights to. I pay my money, I go to the games, I see it for myself and I judge. I thought N'Zonzi had a fairly reasonable game. I don't think he was outstanding like you always do, but I thought he was one of our better players. He held the ball well, didn't give it away, didn't make any mistakes, he could have perhaps driven forward once or twice when he had the chance but he certainly didn't play badly. However if someone comes on here and says "turn back N'Zonzi etc" they're fully within their right to. Who made you the thought police? Stop being so pompous and open your mind a little bit. Longest 'Fuck off' I've ever read.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 30, 2014 12:16:15 GMT
It's the wet glue that our attacks can't wade through
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Post by upthefud on Sept 30, 2014 12:17:31 GMT
You refuse to allow other peoples opinions, or even acknowledge them. Worse still, your only style of response is to belittle them if they don't agree with you. If someone wants to come here and say N'Zonzi didn't play well they're fully within their rights to. I pay my money, I go to the games, I see it for myself and I judge. I thought N'Zonzi had a fairly reasonable game. I don't think he was outstanding like you always do, but I thought he was one of our better players. He held the ball well, didn't give it away, didn't make any mistakes, he could have perhaps driven forward once or twice when he had the chance but he certainly didn't play badly. However if someone comes on here and says "turn back N'Zonzi etc" they're fully within their right to. Who made you the thought police? Stop being so pompous and open your mind a little bit. Longest 'Fuck off' I've ever read. I wouldn't bother mate just humour him instead
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2014 12:18:21 GMT
It's the wet glue that our attacks can't wade through Is this you?
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Post by upthefud on Sept 30, 2014 12:20:05 GMT
It's the wet glue that our attacks can't wade through Is this you? I don't know who that is but sadly not, he looks like he enjoys his job more than I enjoy mine so if he's recruiting please give me a shout
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 12:20:33 GMT
Crazy, Paul. On a couple of occasions he even frustrated me when he could and should have moved forward but this player is the glue that holds our play together. I really don't think he is, in fact he is one of the reasons that Whelan has to be the glue. More about the style than the substance mate. Both players have very important roles to play but do it in very different ways.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 30, 2014 12:20:58 GMT
Crazy, Paul. On a couple of occasions he even frustrated me when he could and should have moved forward but this player is the glue that holds our play together. I really don't think he is, in fact he is one of the reasons that Whelan has to be the glue. Agree with that. Glenn does a lot of mopping up for him
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Sept 30, 2014 12:21:06 GMT
No I don't, but he would add impetus to our attacks which would be a start Charlie didn't do much again last night as he didn't at QPR. I'm a big fan of his but the position he plays requires him to be more mobile and move the ball quicker than he is at present. That's why Ireland will play once he's fit. Think Ireland as per last season will come good for us. I also like Zonz, class in my book as long as he keeps a level head. We are all guilty of wanting the ball forward quickly at every opportunity, in the real world sometimes it has to go backwards or sideways to switch flanks or if there is no immediate forward passing option, not rocket science really. Don't understand the gentle Adam bashing here though, as he clearly was involved in a bad 'coming together of boots' early doors last night and did well to keep going as long as he did. Being mobile relies on not getting crocked, hope he and also Moses and Diouf get over their injuries quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 12:24:48 GMT
I've just watched the full 90 minutes again and trust me when I say,it's a complete myth that Nzonzi went backwards and slowed our play down at every attempt last night. Sid have you got a link or feed so I can watch the game back. I was there but would like to see the whole 90 back, partic. the penalty shout in the first half. We don't have Sky or Virgin (must be the only plebs on the planet that don't!) Cheers and a great win for the lads last night. Still recovering today, lost my voice and totally wasted......excellent stuff UTP!!!!! Sorry mate I watched it on Sky +. You've asked the wrong bloke asking me for links and feeds,I wouldn't have the first clue how to put a link on here and I don't know what a feed is in computer terms Hope someone can sort it for ya though.
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Post by kronkie on Sept 30, 2014 12:30:21 GMT
Pez75, you are spot on mate, if he isn't doing what the boss wants then he wouldn't be playing, end of.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Sept 30, 2014 12:37:10 GMT
Sid have you got a link or feed so I can watch the game back. I was there but would like to see the whole 90 back, partic. the penalty shout in the first half. We don't have Sky or Virgin (must be the only plebs on the planet that don't!) Cheers and a great win for the lads last night. Still recovering today, lost my voice and totally wasted......excellent stuff UTP!!!!! Penalty shout. vine.co/v/OmBZv3PtIagClearly got the ball the officials were to a man a total crock of shit last night! Thanks for that Pwingy, good job I didn't get a good view of that in the game, my head would have come off.
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Post by misterj on Sept 30, 2014 12:55:40 GMT
N'Zonzi ? Clearly Stoke's best outfield by an absolute mile, a sort-of tall, french version of Alan Hudson - the fans used to get on at Huddy for not tackling back, passing sideways / backwards instead of forwards but we're no longer a Pulis - style squad and if the fans continue getting on at him he'll definitely go in January or end-of-season and you won't be signing anyone of his quality for less than 10 million !!
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Post by dan55 on Sept 30, 2014 13:05:22 GMT
I like N'Zonzi, good on the ball. If anything he just needs to work on his shooting.
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 30, 2014 13:12:05 GMT
No, not at all. What's your point shug? You refuse to allow other peoples opinions, or even acknowledge them. Worse still, your only style of response is to belittle them if they don't agree with you. If someone wants to come here and say N'Zonzi didn't play well they're fully within their rights to. I pay my money, I go to the games, I see it for myself and I judge. I thought N'Zonzi had a fairly reasonable game. I don't think he was outstanding like you always do, but I thought he was one of our better players. He held the ball well, didn't give it away, didn't make any mistakes, he could have perhaps driven forward once or twice when he had the chance but he certainly didn't play badly. However if someone comes on here and says "turn back N'Zonzi etc" they're fully within their right to. Who made you the thought police? Stop being so pompous and open your mind a little bit. First off I don't dislike the post, it was a miss-click. However, surely all that PWingy is doing is airing opinion. The very thing you are erm...arguing that someone else has the right to do. Kind of contradictory. Opinion vs opinion = discussion, which is kind of the point of this message board, unless it is somewhere people can just aimlessly spout drivel without ever interacting with other people. It just sounds like a little rant about, well, nothing. Are you ok? Has someone spilt your coffee?
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Post by metalhead on Sept 30, 2014 13:14:29 GMT
You refuse to allow other peoples opinions, or even acknowledge them. Worse still, your only style of response is to belittle them if they don't agree with you. If someone wants to come here and say N'Zonzi didn't play well they're fully within their rights to. I pay my money, I go to the games, I see it for myself and I judge. I thought N'Zonzi had a fairly reasonable game. I don't think he was outstanding like you always do, but I thought he was one of our better players. He held the ball well, didn't give it away, didn't make any mistakes, he could have perhaps driven forward once or twice when he had the chance but he certainly didn't play badly. However if someone comes on here and says "turn back N'Zonzi etc" they're fully within their right to. Who made you the thought police? Stop being so pompous and open your mind a little bit. First off I don't dislike the post, it was a miss-click. However, surely all that PWingy is doing is airing opinion. The very thing you are erm...arguing that someone else has the right to do. Kind of contradictory. Opinion vs opinion = discussion, which is kind of the point of this message board, unless it is somewhere people can just aimlessly spout drivel without ever interacting with other people. It just sounds like a little rant about, well, nothing. Are you ok? Has someone spilt your coffee? I spilt it this morning at work. I was right fucking annoyed.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Sept 30, 2014 13:18:45 GMT
I like N'Zonzi, good on the ball. If anything he just needs to work on his shooting. I'd rather he stopped trying to shoot and got the ball to someone more likely to get the ball in the net. That's his main flaw. Otherwise I reckon he's been doing well.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 13:19:27 GMT
You refuse to allow other peoples opinions, or even acknowledge them. Worse still, your only style of response is to belittle them if they don't agree with you. If someone wants to come here and say N'Zonzi didn't play well they're fully within their rights to. I pay my money, I go to the games, I see it for myself and I judge. I thought N'Zonzi had a fairly reasonable game. I don't think he was outstanding like you always do, but I thought he was one of our better players. He held the ball well, didn't give it away, didn't make any mistakes, he could have perhaps driven forward once or twice when he had the chance but he certainly didn't play badly. However if someone comes on here and says "turn back N'Zonzi etc" they're fully within their right to. Who made you the thought police? Stop being so pompous and open your mind a little bit. Opinion vs opinion = discussion, which is kind of the point of this message board, unless it is somewhere people can just aimlessly spout drivel without ever interacting with other people. Just to clear this one up: The Oatcake is very much the latter.
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Post by dan55 on Sept 30, 2014 13:31:08 GMT
I like N'Zonzi, good on the ball. If anything he just needs to work on his shooting. I'd rather he stopped trying to shoot and got the ball to someone more likely to get the ball in the net. That's his main flaw. Otherwise I reckon he's been doing well. He gets in some good positions to get a shot off alot though. How many times have you seen him hit a dissapointing shot. If he could just Improve on that he'd be awesome. He needs to stay for an extra half hour at the end of each training session to hit some shots from 18+ yards!!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 30, 2014 13:42:59 GMT
It seems a few are missing the point most are making. N'Zonzi is indeed a very good player and one I like to watch. The problem is of late he makes the wrong decision when he has the ball. Yes sometimes there is a need to play back or sideways but he appears to do this even when he has good outlets up front. He seems to have turned negative compared to the N'Zonzi we saw in the later stages of last season. He gets the ball and by the time it does get to the players up front the oppos defence has regrouped and blocks any attack. Most of the time this is down to N'Zonzi dithering. Like I say I like the bloke and think he is a great player but his game needs to change and if it is hughes telling him to do it then he needs to sort it ASAP because it is N'Zonzi getting the shit not him. On that point I also think it was a bit small minded to boo N'Zonzi as that won't help him one bit although I suppose at least he may get the message.
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Post by kevkj on Sept 30, 2014 13:48:31 GMT
To be honest i think the team were a bit nervous about just winning.,cock ups against Villa and Leicester would have been on Nzonzi and other players minds. I think it told in there peformance..
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2014 15:38:30 GMT
I have no problem with us playing possession football, but it's impossible not to get frustrated when we have a good move opening up only for N'zonzi to turn back for fear of losing possession then 4 passes later it's at either Ryan or Wilson's feet and they lump it 40 yards upto crouch who wins a header but has no-one near him and we lose possession. I would much rather see N'zonzi go for the killer pass and fail than retain the ball and the above scenario to keep happening. In the final 10 minutes fine, it's whats required to close the game out but he does it most of the game. I've just watched the full 90 minutes again and trust me when I say,it's a complete myth that Nzonzi went backwards and slowed our play down at every attempt last night. Classic case of people seeing what they want to see Nzonzi is the biz imho
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 17:06:59 GMT
N'Zonzi ? Clearly Stoke's best outfield by an absolute mile, a sort-of tall, french version of Alan Hudson - the fans used to get on at Huddy for not tackling back, passing sideways / backwards instead of forwards but we're no longer a Pulis - style squad and if the fans continue getting on at him he'll definitely go in January or end-of-season and you won't be signing anyone of his quality for less than 10 million !!
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