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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:01:08 GMT
to be fair i don't think anyone has bullied anyone on this thread for talking about Hillsborough have they? he was simply trying to clarify what your point was. what people don't like is an agenda ridden OP with an obvious intention of starting an argument about the Heysel/Hillsborough "Comaprison" (if there is one which there isn't apart from the fact that both sets of fans happened to be Liverpool fans)today of all days. if you can't see that Gods then it's a bit worrying. there's a little thing called "RESPECT" that most people understand on day's like today but unfortunately some people (like the OP) would seemingly prefer to ignore that word and try to drag up other stories about the club in question that are completely irrelevant to what happened 25 years ago today. why bother respecting the dead when you can have more fun winning points off others on a football messageboard eh? THAT'S what people are pissed off about and rightly so! what's next? November 11th becoming Remembrance day for all fallen soldiers apart from those who came form Liverpool because some people from the city may have a dodgy past? Fuck me! yeah, fuck the 96 people that died eh because some dickheads who happened to support the same team (who were charged and prosecuted for what they did) committed offences in a completely unrelated incident!! it's nothing to do with bullying and far more to do with respect, taste, decency and compassion. quite the opposite millsy...it would be a remembrance day for only soldiers from Liverpool wouldn't it? I think that is the point that has tried to be made over the last week. i think you and your ilk off this board should show some more respect and decency to the people (not me included mind) on this board that do care about what happened to the 96 but still don't see everything the same way. i haven't made ANY point whatsoever over who or who wasn't to blame at Hillsborough Mcf, i simply stated that today has fuck all to do with Heysel.....fair enough if people want to carry on the argument as and when, i have no issue with that (and myself have asked why we don't remember the Bradford, Ibrox victims etc.) but that is a completely separate matter to what today is about; today is not about who's fault it was, whether other victims of other tragedies should be remembered, why Liverpool FC don't remember Heysel etc. it is purely and simply about having one day of remembrance for the 96 that died 25 years ago today. apportioning blame etc. is a separate issue and one that is being dealt with in a legal fashion, as it should be. that is NOT what today is about AT ALL!!!! Heysel DOES have a remembrance day in Liverpool (May 29th) to honour the dead, they also have a permanent tribute to the fans that died at Anfield and Juve also do at their ground. why does it not get as much coverage?? because it was a disaster that largely didn't effect British people (only 1 fan from N.Ireland died that day, the rest were French, Belgian and Italian)so strangely enough the Italian media tend to cover that more as it was largely Italians that died! we therefore have a remembrance for Hillsborough as it was British people that died, it's justa shame that so many want to forget about remembering them and would rather point fingers so they can take cheap shots at Liverpool FC because they don't like them...fucking pathetic! so Liverpool caused Heysel, should we therefore forget about these 96??? should we fuck!!!! they are 2 entirely different events that happened on different days so should not be classed together therefore leading to forgetting what today is really about. is it really too much for some people to put their other arguments aside for 1 DAY, 24 bloody hours so we can honour and respect those that died at Hillsborough????? ibrox, heysel and bradford have fuck all to do with today!!!! John Alfred Anderson 62 Colin Mark Ashcroft 19 James Gary Aspinall 18 Kester Roger Marcus Ball 16 Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron 67 Simon Bell 17 Barry Sidney Bennett 26 David John Benson 22 David William Birtle 22 Tony Bland 22 Paul David Brady 21 Andrew Mark Brookes 26 Carl Brown 18 David Steven Brown 25 Henry Thomas Burke 47 Peter Andrew Burkett 24 Paul William Carlile 19 Raymond Thomas Chapman 50 Gary Christopher Church 19 Joseph Clark 29 Paul Clark 18 Gary Collins 22 Stephen Paul Copoc 20 Tracey Elizabeth Cox 23 James Philip Delaney 19 Christopher Barry Devonside 18 Chris Edwards 29 Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons 34 Thomas Steven Fox 21 Jon-Paul Gilhooley 10 Barry Glover 27 Ian Thomas Glover 20 Derrick George Godwin 24 Roy Harry Hamilton 34 Philip Hammond 14 Eric Hankin 33 Gary Harrison 27 Stephen Francis Harrison 31 Peter Andrew Harrison 15 David Hawley 39 James Robert Hennessy 29 Paul Anthony Hewitson 26 Carl Darren Hewitt 17 Nicholas Michael Hewitt 16 Sarah Louise Hicks 19 Victoria Jane Hicks 15 Gordon Rodney Horn 20 Arthur Horrocks 41 Thomas Howard 39 Thomas Anthony Howard 14 Eric George Hughes 42 Alan Johnston 29 Christine Anne Jones 27 Gary Philip Jones 18 Richard Jones 25 Nicholas Peter Joynes 27 Anthony Peter Kelly 29 Michael David Kelly 38 Carl David Lewis 18 David William Mather 19 Brian Christopher Matthews 38 Francis Joseph McAllister 27 John McBrien 18 Marian Hazel McCabe 21 Joseph Daniel McCarthy 21 Peter McDonnell 21 Alan McGlone 28 Keith McGrath 17 Paul Brian Murray 14 Lee Nicol 14 Stephen Francis O'Neill 17 Jonathon Owens 18 William Roy Pemberton 23 Carl William Rimmer 21 Dave George Rimmer 38 Graham John Roberts 24 Steven Joseph Robinson 17 Henry Charles Rogers 17 Colin Andrew Hugh William Sefton 23 Inger Shah 38 Paula Ann Smith 26 Adam Edward Spearritt 14 Philip John Steele 15 David Leonard Thomas 23 Patrick John Thompson 35 Peter Reuben Thompson 30 Stuart Paul William Thompson 17 Peter Francis Tootle 21 Christopher James Traynor 26 Martin Kevin Traynor 16 Kevin Tyrrell 15 Colin Wafer 19 Ian David Whelan 19 Martin Kenneth Wild 29 Kevin Daniel Williams 15 Graham John Wright 17 that's who today is about!!!! were they responsible for Heysel???? No!!!! is it their fault that Liverpool don't remember Heysel???? NO! so why the fuck do people have to ruin what should be a day of remembrance with their fucking lack of common sense and compassion by bringing up other disasters with this "Fuck Liverpool, they're inconsistent with what they choose to remember" argument.....if you're not happy with Liverpool then fair enough, no qualms with that but IT'S NOT ABOUT LIVERPOOL FC!!!!! it's about the City of Liverpool and the scores of people that came from there that never went home. trying to muddy the waters by banging on about Heysel is unbelievably disrespectful to the 96 listed above, their friends, their families and the City as a whole. it's a bloody disgrace and embarrassing to even see this thread still going.....you are all grown ups with good brains, can you all not see that other issues can be talked about on any day of the year but is there really any need on this one????? the family of the 1 British victim that died at Heysel probably want remembrance as well but do you think that even they would just ignore this day and try to spoil it by banging on about Heysel today of all days?? Not a chance! the idiocy and lack of common decency shown on this board at times is beyond belief!
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 12:09:39 GMT
Post by crownmeking on Apr 15, 2014 12:09:39 GMT
quite the opposite millsy...it would be a remembrance day for only soldiers from Liverpool wouldn't it? I think that is the point that has tried to be made over the last week. i think you and your ilk off this board should show some more respect and decency to the people (not me included mind) on this board that do care about what happened to the 96 but still don't see everything the same way. i haven't made ANY point whatsoever over who or who wasn't to blame at Hillsborough Mcf, i simply stated that today has fuck all to do with Heysel.....fair enough if people want to carry on the argument as and when, i have no issue with that (and myself have asked why we don't remember the Bradford, Ibrox victims etc.) but that is a completely separate matter to what today is about; today is not about who's fault it was, whether other victims of other tragedies should be remembered etc. it is purely and simply about having one day to remember the 96 that died 25 years ago today. is it really too much for some people to put their other arguments aside for 1 DAY, 24 bloody hours so we can honour and respect those that died at Hillsborough????? ibrox, heysel and bradford have fuck all to do with today John Alfred Anderson 62 Colin Mark Ashcroft 19 James Gary Aspinall 18 Kester Roger Marcus Ball 16 Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron 67 Simon Bell 17 Barry Sidney Bennett 26 David John Benson 22 David William Birtle 22 Tony Bland 22 Paul David Brady 21 Andrew Mark Brookes 26 Carl Brown 18 David Steven Brown 25 Henry Thomas Burke 47 Peter Andrew Burkett 24 Paul William Carlile 19 Raymond Thomas Chapman 50 Gary Christopher Church 19 Joseph Clark 29 Paul Clark 18 Gary Collins 22 Stephen Paul Copoc 20 Tracey Elizabeth Cox 23 James Philip Delaney 19 Christopher Barry Devonside 18 Chris Edwards 29 Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons 34 Thomas Steven Fox 21 Jon-Paul Gilhooley 10 Barry Glover 27 Ian Thomas Glover 20 Derrick George Godwin 24 Roy Harry Hamilton 34 Philip Hammond 14 Eric Hankin 33 Gary Harrison 27 Stephen Francis Harrison 31 Peter Andrew Harrison 15 David Hawley 39 James Robert Hennessy 29 Paul Anthony Hewitson 26 Carl Darren Hewitt 17 Nicholas Michael Hewitt 16 Sarah Louise Hicks 19 Victoria Jane Hicks 15 Gordon Rodney Horn 20 Arthur Horrocks 41 Thomas Howard 39 Thomas Anthony Howard 14 Eric George Hughes 42 Alan Johnston 29 Christine Anne Jones 27 Gary Philip Jones 18 Richard Jones 25 Nicholas Peter Joynes 27 Anthony Peter Kelly 29 Michael David Kelly 38 Carl David Lewis 18 David William Mather 19 Brian Christopher Matthews 38 Francis Joseph McAllister 27 John McBrien 18 Marian Hazel McCabe 21 Joseph Daniel McCarthy 21 Peter McDonnell 21 Alan McGlone 28 Keith McGrath 17 Paul Brian Murray 14 Lee Nicol 14 Stephen Francis O'Neill 17 Jonathon Owens 18 William Roy Pemberton 23 Carl William Rimmer 21 Dave George Rimmer 38 Graham John Roberts 24 Steven Joseph Robinson 17 Henry Charles Rogers 17 Colin Andrew Hugh William Sefton 23 Inger Shah 38 Paula Ann Smith 26 Adam Edward Spearritt 14 Philip John Steele 15 David Leonard Thomas 23 Patrick John Thompson 35 Peter Reuben Thompson 30 Stuart Paul William Thompson 17 Peter Francis Tootle 21 Christopher James Traynor 26 Martin Kevin Traynor 16 Kevin Tyrrell 15 Colin Wafer 19 Ian David Whelan 19 Martin Kenneth Wild 29 Kevin Daniel Williams 15 Graham John Wright 17 that's who today is about!!!! were they responsible for Heysel???? No!!!! is it their fault that Liverpool don't remember Heysel???? NO! so why the fuck do people have to ruin what should be a day of remembrance with their fucking lack of common sense and compassion by bringing up other disasters with this "Fuck Liverpool, they're inconsistent with what they choose to remember" argument.....if you're not happy with Liverpool then fair enough, no qualms with that but IT'S NOT ABOUT LIVERPOOL FC!!!!! it's about the City of Liverpool and the scores of people that came from there that never went home. trying to muddy the waters by banging on about Heysel is unbelievably disrespectful to the 96 listed above, their friends, their families and the City as a whole. it's a bloody disgrace and embarrassing to even see this thread still going.....you are all grown ups with good brains, can you all not see that other issues can be talked about on any day of the year but is there really any need on this one????? the idiocy and lack of common decency shown on this board at times is beyond belief! I wanted to write a reply on this thread, but this^^^ says everything I feel about it.
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Post by doitforfrank on Apr 15, 2014 12:16:06 GMT
Let's hope something similar never befalls some on here mate Let's see them saying " move on " etc etc if a serious miscarriage if justice befalls on one of their loved relatives where the authorities lie, cover up evidence and try to pin the blame on them Move on my fucking arse......let's see those bastards before the courts Something similar did befall us. On the 31st January 1989 we had an FA Cup replay at Barnsley. Thousands of Stoke supporters arrived late due to traffic congestion. Outside the ground a crush developed and people were getting hurt. Initial action was to send a police horse running in to the crowd which only added to the chaos. To ease the congestion the police opened one of the huge exit gates which allowed the crowd to get into the game for free. This was the response the same force used two months later at Hillsborough. Had there been more Stoke supporters on the away terrace that night we could have suffered that awful disaster. Same situation, same police force, same reaction. We, like all football supporters, were actually riding our luck, not just on that night, but for years before. There was very little consideration for the issue of crowd safety over crowd control. It could have been any of us with the loss of life….. and the same scandalous tabloid allegations. RIP the 96. Its for this very reason that I feel so strongly about Hillsborough. I have/had no feelings at all towards Liverpool, its fans or its city. But as a football fan I stand alongside them through everything regarding Hillsborough and I dont mind admitting, the minutes silence at Anfield on Sunday and Gerrards emotion almost brought me to tears. The situation at Barnsley could have had the same outcome, I know one of the lads who went with us has still got his complete ticket, it reminds him of what might have been. As fellow supporters, we should all hope that Justice is finally done and the main protagonists get their well deserved come-uppance, even if it means dragging Thatchers name through the mud. I also hope that chasing compensation ISNT one of the outcomes. Whilst HUGE mistakes were made, nobody can honestly believe the actions taken were intended to kill or maim. Lets have the justice the victims rightly deserve and move on. Hillsborough affected the lives of everybody that follows football, and still does. RIP 96
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 15, 2014 12:22:13 GMT
Hillsborough was a tragedy for all football supporters. Sadly, the police cover up and scandalous tabloid lies led to many people, including football fans, just reinforcing their own prejudices about people from Merseyside. Hopefully the release of documents helped to enlighten people regarding the terrible incidents of that day. To be told your daughter's corpses are the 'possession' of the coroner is cruelty no human being should have to suffer. Most importantly, we can hope that the families and friends of the bereaved can gain some comfort and that we are closer to justice.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 12:35:47 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 15, 2014 12:35:47 GMT
quite the opposite millsy...it would be a remembrance day for only soldiers from Liverpool wouldn't it? I think that is the point that has tried to be made over the last week. i think you and your ilk off this board should show some more respect and decency to the people (not me included mind) on this board that do care about what happened to the 96 but still don't see everything the same way. i haven't made ANY point whatsoever over who or who wasn't to blame at Hillsborough Mcf, i simply stated that today has fuck all to do with Heysel.....fair enough if people want to carry on the argument as and when, i have no issue with that (and myself have asked why we don't remember the Bradford, Ibrox victims etc.) but that is a completely separate matter to what today is about; today is not about who's fault it was, whether other victims of other tragedies should be remembered, why Liverpool FC don't remember Heysel etc. it is purely and simply about having one day of remembrance for the 96 that died 25 years ago today. apportioning blame etc. is a separate issue and one that is being dealt with in a legal fashion, as it should be. that is NOT what today is about AT ALL!!!! Heysel DOES have a remembrance day in Liverpool (May 29th) to honour the dead, they also have a permanent tribute to the fans that died at Anfield and Juve also do at their ground. why does it not get as much coverage?? because it was a disaster that largely didn't effect British people (only 1 fan from N.Ireland died that day, the rest were French, Belgian and Italian)so strangely enough the Italian media tend to cover that more as it was largely Italians that died! we therefore have a remembrance for Hillsborough as it was British people that died, it's justa shame that so many want to forget about remembering them and would rather point fingers so they can take cheap shots at Liverpool FC because they don't like them...fucking pathetic! so Liverpool caused Heysel, should we therefore forget about these 96??? should we fuck!!!! they are 2 entirely different events that happened on different days so should not be classed together therefore leading to forgetting what today is really about. is it really too much for some people to put their other arguments aside for 1 DAY, 24 bloody hours so we can honour and respect those that died at Hillsborough????? ibrox, heysel and bradford have fuck all to do with today!!!! John Alfred Anderson 62 Colin Mark Ashcroft 19 James Gary Aspinall 18 Kester Roger Marcus Ball 16 Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron 67 Simon Bell 17 Barry Sidney Bennett 26 David John Benson 22 David William Birtle 22 Tony Bland 22 Paul David Brady 21 Andrew Mark Brookes 26 Carl Brown 18 David Steven Brown 25 Henry Thomas Burke 47 Peter Andrew Burkett 24 Paul William Carlile 19 Raymond Thomas Chapman 50 Gary Christopher Church 19 Joseph Clark 29 Paul Clark 18 Gary Collins 22 Stephen Paul Copoc 20 Tracey Elizabeth Cox 23 James Philip Delaney 19 Christopher Barry Devonside 18 Chris Edwards 29 Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons 34 Thomas Steven Fox 21 Jon-Paul Gilhooley 10 Barry Glover 27 Ian Thomas Glover 20 Derrick George Godwin 24 Roy Harry Hamilton 34 Philip Hammond 14 Eric Hankin 33 Gary Harrison 27 Stephen Francis Harrison 31 Peter Andrew Harrison 15 David Hawley 39 James Robert Hennessy 29 Paul Anthony Hewitson 26 Carl Darren Hewitt 17 Nicholas Michael Hewitt 16 Sarah Louise Hicks 19 Victoria Jane Hicks 15 Gordon Rodney Horn 20 Arthur Horrocks 41 Thomas Howard 39 Thomas Anthony Howard 14 Eric George Hughes 42 Alan Johnston 29 Christine Anne Jones 27 Gary Philip Jones 18 Richard Jones 25 Nicholas Peter Joynes 27 Anthony Peter Kelly 29 Michael David Kelly 38 Carl David Lewis 18 David William Mather 19 Brian Christopher Matthews 38 Francis Joseph McAllister 27 John McBrien 18 Marian Hazel McCabe 21 Joseph Daniel McCarthy 21 Peter McDonnell 21 Alan McGlone 28 Keith McGrath 17 Paul Brian Murray 14 Lee Nicol 14 Stephen Francis O'Neill 17 Jonathon Owens 18 William Roy Pemberton 23 Carl William Rimmer 21 Dave George Rimmer 38 Graham John Roberts 24 Steven Joseph Robinson 17 Henry Charles Rogers 17 Colin Andrew Hugh William Sefton 23 Inger Shah 38 Paula Ann Smith 26 Adam Edward Spearritt 14 Philip John Steele 15 David Leonard Thomas 23 Patrick John Thompson 35 Peter Reuben Thompson 30 Stuart Paul William Thompson 17 Peter Francis Tootle 21 Christopher James Traynor 26 Martin Kevin Traynor 16 Kevin Tyrrell 15 Colin Wafer 19 Ian David Whelan 19 Martin Kenneth Wild 29 Kevin Daniel Williams 15 Graham John Wright 17 that's who today is about!!!! were they responsible for Heysel???? No!!!! is it their fault that Liverpool don't remember Heysel???? NO! so why the fuck do people have to ruin what should be a day of remembrance with their fucking lack of common sense and compassion by bringing up other disasters with this "Fuck Liverpool, they're inconsistent with what they choose to remember" argument.....if you're not happy with Liverpool then fair enough, no qualms with that but IT'S NOT ABOUT LIVERPOOL FC!!!!! it's about the City of Liverpool and the scores of people that came from there that never went home. trying to muddy the waters by banging on about Heysel is unbelievably disrespectful to the 96 listed above, their friends, their families and the City as a whole. it's a bloody disgrace and embarrassing to even see this thread still going.....you are all grown ups with good brains, can you all not see that other issues can be talked about on any day of the year but is there really any need on this one????? the family of the 1 British victim that died at Heysel probably want remembrance as well but do you think that even they would just ignore this day and try to spoil it by banging on about Heysel today of all days?? Not a chance! the idiocy and lack of common decency shown on this board at times is beyond belief! what the fuck are you ranting me for? I never said you did make a point.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 12:43:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:43:57 GMT
i haven't made ANY point whatsoever over who or who wasn't to blame at Hillsborough Mcf, i simply stated that today has fuck all to do with Heysel.....fair enough if people want to carry on the argument as and when, i have no issue with that (and myself have asked why we don't remember the Bradford, Ibrox victims etc.) but that is a completely separate matter to what today is about; today is not about who's fault it was, whether other victims of other tragedies should be remembered, why Liverpool FC don't remember Heysel etc. it is purely and simply about having one day of remembrance for the 96 that died 25 years ago today. apportioning blame etc. is a separate issue and one that is being dealt with in a legal fashion, as it should be. that is NOT what today is about AT ALL!!!! Heysel DOES have a remembrance day in Liverpool (May 29th) to honour the dead, they also have a permanent tribute to the fans that died at Anfield and Juve also do at their ground. why does it not get as much coverage?? because it was a disaster that largely didn't effect British people (only 1 fan from N.Ireland died that day, the rest were French, Belgian and Italian)so strangely enough the Italian media tend to cover that more as it was largely Italians that died! we therefore have a remembrance for Hillsborough as it was British people that died, it's justa shame that so many want to forget about remembering them and would rather point fingers so they can take cheap shots at Liverpool FC because they don't like them...fucking pathetic! so Liverpool caused Heysel, should we therefore forget about these 96??? should we fuck!!!! they are 2 entirely different events that happened on different days so should not be classed together therefore leading to forgetting what today is really about. is it really too much for some people to put their other arguments aside for 1 DAY, 24 bloody hours so we can honour and respect those that died at Hillsborough????? ibrox, heysel and bradford have fuck all to do with today!!!! John Alfred Anderson 62 Colin Mark Ashcroft 19 James Gary Aspinall 18 Kester Roger Marcus Ball 16 Gerard Bernard Patrick Baron 67 Simon Bell 17 Barry Sidney Bennett 26 David John Benson 22 David William Birtle 22 Tony Bland 22 Paul David Brady 21 Andrew Mark Brookes 26 Carl Brown 18 David Steven Brown 25 Henry Thomas Burke 47 Peter Andrew Burkett 24 Paul William Carlile 19 Raymond Thomas Chapman 50 Gary Christopher Church 19 Joseph Clark 29 Paul Clark 18 Gary Collins 22 Stephen Paul Copoc 20 Tracey Elizabeth Cox 23 James Philip Delaney 19 Christopher Barry Devonside 18 Chris Edwards 29 Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons 34 Thomas Steven Fox 21 Jon-Paul Gilhooley 10 Barry Glover 27 Ian Thomas Glover 20 Derrick George Godwin 24 Roy Harry Hamilton 34 Philip Hammond 14 Eric Hankin 33 Gary Harrison 27 Stephen Francis Harrison 31 Peter Andrew Harrison 15 David Hawley 39 James Robert Hennessy 29 Paul Anthony Hewitson 26 Carl Darren Hewitt 17 Nicholas Michael Hewitt 16 Sarah Louise Hicks 19 Victoria Jane Hicks 15 Gordon Rodney Horn 20 Arthur Horrocks 41 Thomas Howard 39 Thomas Anthony Howard 14 Eric George Hughes 42 Alan Johnston 29 Christine Anne Jones 27 Gary Philip Jones 18 Richard Jones 25 Nicholas Peter Joynes 27 Anthony Peter Kelly 29 Michael David Kelly 38 Carl David Lewis 18 David William Mather 19 Brian Christopher Matthews 38 Francis Joseph McAllister 27 John McBrien 18 Marian Hazel McCabe 21 Joseph Daniel McCarthy 21 Peter McDonnell 21 Alan McGlone 28 Keith McGrath 17 Paul Brian Murray 14 Lee Nicol 14 Stephen Francis O'Neill 17 Jonathon Owens 18 William Roy Pemberton 23 Carl William Rimmer 21 Dave George Rimmer 38 Graham John Roberts 24 Steven Joseph Robinson 17 Henry Charles Rogers 17 Colin Andrew Hugh William Sefton 23 Inger Shah 38 Paula Ann Smith 26 Adam Edward Spearritt 14 Philip John Steele 15 David Leonard Thomas 23 Patrick John Thompson 35 Peter Reuben Thompson 30 Stuart Paul William Thompson 17 Peter Francis Tootle 21 Christopher James Traynor 26 Martin Kevin Traynor 16 Kevin Tyrrell 15 Colin Wafer 19 Ian David Whelan 19 Martin Kenneth Wild 29 Kevin Daniel Williams 15 Graham John Wright 17 that's who today is about!!!! were they responsible for Heysel???? No!!!! is it their fault that Liverpool don't remember Heysel???? NO! so why the fuck do people have to ruin what should be a day of remembrance with their fucking lack of common sense and compassion by bringing up other disasters with this "Fuck Liverpool, they're inconsistent with what they choose to remember" argument.....if you're not happy with Liverpool then fair enough, no qualms with that but IT'S NOT ABOUT LIVERPOOL FC!!!!! it's about the City of Liverpool and the scores of people that came from there that never went home. trying to muddy the waters by banging on about Heysel is unbelievably disrespectful to the 96 listed above, their friends, their families and the City as a whole. it's a bloody disgrace and embarrassing to even see this thread still going.....you are all grown ups with good brains, can you all not see that other issues can be talked about on any day of the year but is there really any need on this one????? the family of the 1 British victim that died at Heysel probably want remembrance as well but do you think that even they would just ignore this day and try to spoil it by banging on about Heysel today of all days?? Not a chance! the idiocy and lack of common decency shown on this board at times is beyond belief! what the fuck are you ranting me for? I never said you did make a point. wasn't a rant at you at all mcf just a rant in general and that's why i referred to "If people" rather than you...... i just don't see why some on here seem to find it so hard to understand what today is about is all (and, like i said, am embarrassed that this thread on today of all days has even been allowed to run...if anyone else from other boards saw this it would make us look fucking terrible!) the only reason i quoted you is because you obviously pointed out why people argue about it and asked me to show some decency towards them and their opinions. as i tried to state in my post, i DO understand it and have no problem with people having that point of view, i just wish they could give it up for just 1 day so we can actually do what the point of today is i.e. remember the 96.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 12:56:15 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Apr 15, 2014 12:56:15 GMT
It’s this underlying suggestion that what happened at Heysel should in some way deprive the bereft of Hillsborough their grief and disqualify them from their anger at the subsequent besmirching of the lost ones and the institutionalised cover up. Pig ignorant doesn’t do it any justice whatsoever. Perfectly stated.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 12:57:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:57:06 GMT
Quite a disgusting thread on today of all days but hopefully the OP got the attention he craves.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 13:34:46 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Apr 15, 2014 13:34:46 GMT
I've just watched the Liverpool players take their seats for today's service. Is it too much to ask that they do their ties properly and fasten their top buttons.
Scruffy cunts.
See if they can stay off their phones today
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 14:29:26 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 15, 2014 14:29:26 GMT
I've just watched the Liverpool players take their seats for today's service. Is it too much to ask that they do their ties properly and fasten their top buttons. Scruffy cunts. See if they can stay off their phones today That's not Suarez's tie it's his teeth.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2014 17:01:55 GMT
I read this thread earlier today and couldn't believe that admin hadn't shit binned it, as it was giving all the usual suspects (you knew who they'd be before you even opened it) a platform to spout their agenda filled ignorant bullshit. Seeing how it has developed later in the day - thank god admin didn't bin it, allowing Millsy the opportunity to hopefully shut them up once and for all.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Apr 15, 2014 18:47:34 GMT
Let's hope something similar never befalls some on here mate Let's see them saying " move on " etc etc if a serious miscarriage if justice befalls on one of their loved relatives where the authorities lie, cover up evidence and try to pin the blame on them Move on my fucking arse......let's see those bastards before the courts Something similar did befall us. On the 31st January 1989 we had an FA Cup replay at Barnsley. Thousands of Stoke supporters arrived late due to traffic congestion. Outside the ground a crush developed and people were getting hurt. Initial action was to send a police horse running in to the crowd which only added to the chaos. To ease the congestion the police opened one of the huge exit gates which allowed the crowd to get into the game for free. This was the response the same force used two months later at Hillsborough. Had there been more Stoke supporters on the away terrace that night we could have suffered that awful disaster. Same situation, same police force, same reaction. We, like all football supporters, were actually riding our luck, not just on that night, but for years before. There was very little consideration for the issue of crowd safety over crowd control. It could have been any of us with the loss of life….. and the same scandalous tabloid allegations. RIP the 96. I agree totally Joe. There for the grace of God or whatever.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 21:31:51 GMT
Post by PolPotter on Apr 15, 2014 21:31:51 GMT
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 15, 2014 21:37:04 GMT
Mate. I think a fair few people on here have differing and their own views on events, I think people just think your timing of the post is the problem. Today was about remembering 96 supporters that went to a game and never went home. Whatever the reasons for this are, were not really up for debate today.
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Heysel
Apr 15, 2014 21:57:52 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2014 21:57:52 GMT
And to directly quote the article you've linked ...
"Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool ’s history. It is undeniable. And yet none of this diminishes the club’s or the supporters’ right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later."
So why are you raising this on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster?
Pathetic.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 5:42:45 GMT
Post by PolPotter on Apr 16, 2014 5:42:45 GMT
And to directly quote the article you've linked ...
"Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool ’s history. It is undeniable. And yet none of this diminishes the club’s or the supporters’ right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later."
So why are you raising this on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster?
Pathetic.
I don't think my original question is offensive and it's not that far off topic.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 5:48:37 GMT
Post by bassmaster on Apr 16, 2014 5:48:37 GMT
And to directly quote the article you've linked ...
"Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool ’s history. It is undeniable. And yet none of this diminishes the club’s or the supporters’ right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later."
So why are you raising this on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster?
Pathetic.
I don't think my original question is offensive and it's not that far off topic. I didn't find it offensive, pathetic nor unrelated. Take away the airbrushing and thought police and it is quite a diverse world we live in.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 6:31:30 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 16, 2014 6:31:30 GMT
I don't think my original question is offensive and it's not that far off topic. I didn't find it offensive, pathetic nor unrelated. Take away the airbrushing and thought police and it is quite a diverse world we live in. Nor did I. Quite refreshing. Very sad that a few seem so intent on quashing any kind of comments around remembering any other victims of any other tragedy. Some of you seem to think that Liverpool own the copyright. What day or anniversary or reason to trigger thoughts on all disasters shouldn't come into it. Still, no doubt some of you were loving Andy Burnham's comments on Radio 5 of how great Liverpudlians are above all others.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 6:45:58 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 16, 2014 6:45:58 GMT
Something similar did befall us. On the 31st January 1989 we had an FA Cup replay at Barnsley. Thousands of Stoke supporters arrived late due to traffic congestion. Outside the ground a crush developed and people were getting hurt. Initial action was to send a police horse running in to the crowd which only added to the chaos. To ease the congestion the police opened one of the huge exit gates which allowed the crowd to get into the game for free. This was the response the same force used two months later at Hillsborough. Had there been more Stoke supporters on the away terrace that night we could have suffered that awful disaster. Same situation, same police force, same reaction. We, like all football supporters, were actually riding our luck, not just on that night, but for years before. There was very little consideration for the issue of crowd safety over crowd control. It could have been any of us with the loss of life….. and the same scandalous tabloid allegations. RIP the 96. I agree totally Joe. There for the grace of God or whatever. Grace of God doesn't come into it. I was there that night as a teenager. I followed Stoke away from home a lot more back then than I do now. Many Stoke fans didn't go away from home for a picnic. There was a very, very plausible reason why it was all about crowd control and not crowd safety. Completely wrong and unfair but nevertheless understandable. It's like Hillsborough is hijacked to emphasise the point of how badly we were all treated back then without little consideration to why.
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Post by mcf on Apr 16, 2014 7:12:32 GMT
And to directly quote the article you've linked ...
"Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool ’s history. It is undeniable. And yet none of this diminishes the club’s or the supporters’ right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later."
So why are you raising this on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster?
Pathetic.
It's not pathetic. These disasters were 4 years apart. Many of the same fans would have been at the both game or at the very least watched them both on TV. Would it really be too much to ask for Liverpool fans to consider both? Since the whole country seems intent on telling us that Hillsborough affects all football fans then why hush the opinions of some of those that don't agree with what is going on. The events of Hillsborough shouldn't diminished but they are, in my humble opinion, when one tragedy was so blatently ignored for so long and continues to be.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:28:48 GMT
Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 16, 2014 7:28:48 GMT
I agree that a year doesn't seem very long Gods - but it is a year longer than anyone served over Hillsborough where, although manslaughter would not have been a reasonable charge, Criminal negligence and dereliction of duty, certainly would have been reasonable. That is what is coming next though isn't it Lakeside? The "accidental death" verdicts have been quashed, that means someone "dunnit". My understanding of this latest Hillsborough enquiry is that behind all the other rhetoric about "finding the truth" it is about finding someone or more like some organisation to hang out to dry (aka the Police). That in turn will open the door for prosecutions and the lawyers to go after proper (big ££) compensation. It isn't just the police in the firing line. There's the small matter of authorities and Sheff Wed allowing an unsafe stadium, without a safety certificate, to be used and filled to the rafters when there should have been a restriction on tickets sales because of the safety short comings. There is also a small matter of the government and FA using disgusting animal cages as a quick fix for hooliganism to try and get English clubs re-instated into Europe following the ban after Heysel. Yes, the police did fuck up on the day but it only served to highlight the way fans were treated by the football industry during 70s and 80s. The police and an unfortunate delay on the motorway were the main catalyst for a tragedy that was waiting to happen IMO.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:39:10 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Apr 16, 2014 7:39:10 GMT
I didn't find it offensive, pathetic nor unrelated. Take away the airbrushing and thought police and it is quite a diverse world we live in. Nor did I. Quite refreshing. Very sad that a few seem so intent on quashing any kind of comments around remembering any other victims of any other tragedy. Some of you seem to think that Liverpool own the copyright. What day or anniversary or reason to trigger thoughts on all disasters shouldn't come into it. Still, no doubt some of you were loving Andy Burnham's comments on Radio 5 of how great Liverpudlians are above all others. andy burnham is a Cunt Revelling in applause yesterday as if he singlehandedly brought justice.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:42:40 GMT
Post by mcf on Apr 16, 2014 7:42:40 GMT
Nor did I. Quite refreshing. Very sad that a few seem so intent on quashing any kind of comments around remembering any other victims of any other tragedy. Some of you seem to think that Liverpool own the copyright. What day or anniversary or reason to trigger thoughts on all disasters shouldn't come into it. Still, no doubt some of you were loving Andy Burnham's comments on Radio 5 of how great Liverpudlians are above all others. andy burnham is a Cunt Revelling in applause yesterday as if he singlehandedly brought justice. The same guy that didn't want the Stafford enquiry to be made public isn't he? .... some 'seeker' of truth and justice that.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:46:20 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 16, 2014 7:46:20 GMT
I didn't find it offensive, pathetic nor unrelated. Take away the airbrushing and thought police and it is quite a diverse world we live in. Still, no doubt some of you were loving Andy Burnham's comments on Radio 5 of how great Liverpudlians are above all others. Maybe’s he’s right on this occasion? If this board is anything to go by, the people of SOT would not have shown the same fortitude, courage and dignity in getting to the truth and keeping the memory of the departed alive under a vicious attack by the establishment.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 16, 2014 7:49:40 GMT
And to directly quote the article you've linked ...
"Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool ’s history. It is undeniable. And yet none of this diminishes the club’s or the supporters’ right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later."
So why are you raising this on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster?
Pathetic.
It's not pathetic. These disasters were 4 years apart. Many of the same fans would have been at the both game or at the very least watched them both on TV. Would it really be too much to ask for Liverpool fans to consider both? Since the whole country seems intent on telling us that Hillsborough affects all football fans then why hush the opinions of some of those that don't agree with what is going on. The events of Hillsborough shouldn't diminished but they are, in my humble opinion, when one tragedy was so blatently ignored for so long and continues to be. To acknowledge hysel and all that goes with it would diminish everything J96 stands for. So they pretend it never happens. Sad but true. If they acknowledged that Liverpool fans had a hooligan element they cannot campaign on Liverpool fans being totally innocent at hillsborough Same goes for all the many Liverpool fans that regularity before hillsborough after hillsborough turn up without tickets. Still
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:49:47 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2014 7:49:47 GMT
Still, no doubt some of you were loving Andy Burnham's comments on Radio 5 of how great Liverpudlians are above all others. Maybe’s he’s right on this occasion? If this board is anything to go by, the people of SOT would not have shown the same fortitude, courage and dignity in getting to the truth and keeping the memory of the departed alive under a vicious attack by the establishment. That is a really dumb thing to say!
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:50:07 GMT
Post by RAF on Apr 16, 2014 7:50:07 GMT
andy burnham is a Cunt Revelling in applause yesterday as if he singlehandedly brought justice. The same guy that didn't want the Stafford enquiry to be made public isn't he? .... some 'seeker' of truth and justice that. If it had been a few dogs in a Liverpool vets you can bet that shithouse would have been all over it like a tramp on a bag of chips. "Liverpudlian dogs are by far the best and funniest dogs in the World" And I'm talking about the Stafford enquiry before someone has an embolism. H
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:50:48 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 16, 2014 7:50:48 GMT
Maybe’s he’s right on this occasion? If this board is anything to go by, the people of SOT would not have shown the same fortitude, courage and dignity in getting to the truth and keeping the memory of the departed alive under a vicious attack by the establishment. That is a really dumb thing to say! Have you read the rest of this fucking thread?
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:52:06 GMT
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2014 7:52:06 GMT
That is a really dumb thing to say! Have you read the rest of this fucking thread? Yes - I fucking have. What you said is still really dumb.
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Heysel
Apr 16, 2014 7:53:18 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 16, 2014 7:53:18 GMT
Have you read the rest of this fucking thread? Yes - I fucking have. What you said is still really dumb. I'd say satirical but you are entitled to your opinion.
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