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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 21, 2014 21:42:09 GMT
We need a DM, no doubt about it. My issue lies just with Cattermole.
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Post by paulinespens on Jan 21, 2014 21:42:57 GMT
if we sign that cunt,i'm fucking off up the vale....
will we give him a suspension bonus every ten games,he's utter wank and loathsome..
scraping the fecking barrel comes to mind.....
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 21, 2014 21:45:28 GMT
Right position, wrong player. Hughes is right to be looking at a defensive midfield player, but I very much doubt cattermole is the answer All well and good saying who isn't the answer. Who is then? Apart from picking up less cards, tell me what part of Whelan's game is better than Catermole's. I don't see him as any significant improvement on Whelan, hence a waste of £5 million. We dropped a bollock in the summer allowing Hull to nip in unchallenged and sign Tom Huddlestone
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2014 21:47:01 GMT
yup
Huddlestone was a player we should have been in for
& this isn't hindsight either
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Post by chris9 on Jan 21, 2014 21:48:38 GMT
Not liking this link at all, heart and fight, but a walking red card...
However he is a classic Hughes singing... Robbie Savage was very similar, but helped make Blackburn the team they were, and IMO the Hughes team, style, and mentality were trying to replicate
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 21, 2014 21:49:07 GMT
Guys don't get me wrong I don't think the quality is there but Whelan's form is ok and we all know that N'Zonzi can occasionally deliver, when he doesn't we do have options irrelevant of the backups ability. The fact is we're comparing our current options against a potential new signing. With a limited amount of cash do you think you could improve the starting 11 by signing a centre back or a defensive midfielder?
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 21:51:34 GMT
If this is true Hughes really is an idiot, 5m on a defensive midfielder of which we have a bloody multitude of. Have we learnt nothing about that position 500k buys you the same as 8m see Whelan, Delap, Whitehead and Palacios. Homzy reported that we're looking at Right backs to move Geoff into midfield ontop of that! Am I living in a parallel fucking universe? We've spent 100% of the transfer window with Wilson at centre back. I wouldn't be unhappy at seeing Wilson as a defensive midfielder, I even wonder what the one-time right footed left back could do at right back but never once did the rather ridiculous thought of 'I hope we sign a defensive midfielder to plug a non-existent gap' enter my mind. The person who has drawn up our transfer strategy is fucking moron. Its a fairly widely held view that we need one. I'd have thought that if Geoff is moved into midfield it would be at the expence of N'Zonzi to try to add some much needed energy and urgency into our midfield play. I really rate N'Zonzi but I think he needs to be given a blueprint of what's needed and expected from him and if he won't/can't produce it some thinking time might be beneficial. Personally just don't think Whelan's got what it takes at this level, a good honest pro but not quite top league material.
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Post by alexk on Jan 21, 2014 21:53:36 GMT
I don't mind him and it'd be a good laugh, but £5M is crackers.
Regards, L van Gaal.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 21, 2014 21:54:42 GMT
People can't have it both ways. You can't say Sunderland have the same goals against as Stoke with Cattermole in their side, because he hadn't been picked/played much until Poyet took over, and Sunderland's performances have since improved. Granted he brings problems with his discipline but he has more ability and effort than most of the present Stoke mid-field. Those who can't see his ability have their "Stoke blinkers" on. Poyet said last year: www1.skysports.com/football/news/11065/9081679/premier-league-sunderland-manager-gus-poyet-hails-lee-cattermole-influence Please read and learn.(Of course some of you will be saying Poyet was heaping all the praise on Cattermole because he wanted to sell him in January, or "Poyet doesn't know what he is talking about".) Being a hard man is not the issue, playing with determination and passion is, and he does have more ability than Stoke's other hard triers Crouch and Walters. Some Stoke fans seem to have the same view of Cattermole as a hatchet man as Spurs fans do of Adam or Arsenal fans do of Shawcross. He isn't imo the main priority, a goal scorer and creator are far more important; or buy a right back and use Cameron as a utility player and try him in mid-field where Wilson failed. But he would be a useful asset.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 21, 2014 21:55:29 GMT
Good job most of you weren't around when we signed Maurice Setters, Cattermole is angelic in comparison. We need a solid stopper in midfield and there is no point in employing a wimp to do a man's job.
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 21:57:25 GMT
All well and good saying who isn't the answer. Who is then? Apart from picking up less cards, tell me what part of Whelan's game is better than Catermole's. I don't see him as any significant improvement on Whelan, hence a waste of £5 million. We dropped a bollock in the summer allowing Hull to nip in unchallenged and sign Tom Huddlestone No argument there mate I was creaming over him when we nearly got him. Not sure Pulis would have known what to make of him but I would not question his class. Quite probably the best passer in the Prem, top clubs even Arsenal included.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 21, 2014 21:58:00 GMT
I like.
Suggests Hughes has an eye for making us more competitive at the same time as playing more football.
Middle of his career, keen to step up to a new level, should thrive with a partisan crowd, loves a tackle.
Genuinely think it's the kind of signing that could act as a catalyst for the fabled "next level".
PS if Poyet thinks he's shit that suggests to me that he's not.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 21, 2014 22:03:52 GMT
So,if Holtby doesn't happen, we'll end up with this Harlem Globetrotter !
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 21, 2014 22:03:58 GMT
When I saw the headline "Cattermole - closing in fast" - I was repulsed. Thinking about it, that's what every opposition player must think when they find he's in the opposition.
Then, thinking back, I remembered the stonking glory days with Eddie Clamp and big bow-legged "Mo Setters". Now Cattermole isn't a Clamp or a Setters even though he's fierce, tenacious, committed - but he does have some passing ability.
We need someone foul and horrible in there to knock some bite into our team - a warrior, something we don't have in abundance.
So I say, to all you morally offended, jelly-legged wobblers - now's the time to do battle. We've 16 games left, I wouldn't be averse to taking a gamble by throwing a cat amongst the pigeons and biting a few arses on the way.
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Post by alster on Jan 21, 2014 22:05:18 GMT
I like. Suggests Hughes has an eye for making us more competitive at the same time as playing more football. Middle of his career, keen to step up to a new level, should thrive with a part isan crowd, loves a tackle. Genuinely think it's the kind of signing that could act as a catalyst for the fabled "next level". PS if Poyet thinks he's shit that suggests to me that he's not. He's not shit many of these people seem to watch their football like they read their newspapers. Read the headline what's the point in the rest of the article.
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Post by peterperrett on Jan 21, 2014 22:12:55 GMT
As a Sunderland fan in many ways I'd be sad to see him go. He's a far better player than his 'red card' reputation suggests. He's played consistently in the Premier League for a reason. He does get booked/sent off by reputation on occasions but showed against the Saints on saturday that he still hasn't learnt - getting the stupidest yellow after 10 minutes, kicking a player after losing possession cheaply. Generally Sunderland fans are positive regarding Catts. Poyet is trying to change our style of play and slowly having an effect and Cattermole doesn't quite fit the bill. On balance a good signing for most lower half premiership sides.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 22:13:59 GMT
Good job most of you weren't around when we signed Maurice Setters, Cattermole is angelic in comparison. We need a solid stopper in midfield and there is no point in employing a wimp to do a man's job. Comparison with Setters is irrelevant. I was there in those days & refereeing was completely different. With today's refs Setters wouldn't ever finish a match whereas I read that Cattermole is averaging 1 red card per 26 matches. Which is still too many btw.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 21, 2014 22:14:47 GMT
When I saw the headline "Cattermole - closing in fast" - I was repulsed. Thinking about it, that's what every opposition player must think when they find he's in the opposition. Then, thinking back, I remembered the stonking glory days with Eddie Clamp and big bow-legged "Mo Setters". Now Cattermole isn't a Clamp or a Setters even though he's fierce, tenacious, committed - but he does have some passing ability. We need someone foul and horrible in there to knock some bite into our team - a warrior, something we don't have in abundance. So I say, to all you morally offended, jelly-legged wobblers - now's the time to do battle. We've 16 games left, I wouldn't be averse to taking a gamble by throwing a cat amongst the pigeons and biting a few arses on the way. Either of the players you mention wouldn't tolerate Nzonzi wandering around and I suspect Cattermole wouldn't. I think he would gee up the whole team.
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Post by houstonsteve on Jan 21, 2014 22:18:32 GMT
Would be an excellent addition.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 21, 2014 22:18:40 GMT
Good job most of you weren't around when we signed Maurice Setters, Cattermole is angelic in comparison. We need a solid stopper in midfield and there is no point in employing a wimp to do a man's job. Comparison with Setters is irrelevant. I was there in those days & refereeing was completely different. With today's refs Setters wouldn't ever finish a match whereas I read that Cattermole is averaging 1 red card per 26 matches. Which is still too many btw. I accept your point about how long Setters would last, Cattermole is averaging just over one a season. Part of the point I was trying to make was that the likes of Setters got the entire team motivated or else!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 21, 2014 22:19:50 GMT
Wouldn't mind him tbh and think he's a leader when he's on the pitch but i reckon its a load of bollocks tbh.
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Post by petemac on Jan 21, 2014 22:20:55 GMT
Terrible player, worse thug than Huth. Though if he turned out to be our thug I'd have no choice but to accept him.
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Post by lordb on Jan 21, 2014 22:21:52 GMT
Good job most of you weren't around when we signed Maurice Setters, Cattermole is angelic in comparison. We need a solid stopper in midfield and there is no point in employing a wimp to do a man's job. fair point
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 22:22:28 GMT
Comparison with Setters is irrelevant. I was there in those days & refereeing was completely different. With today's refs Setters wouldn't ever finish a match whereas I read that Cattermole is averaging 1 red card per 26 matches. Which is still too many btw. I accept your point about how long Setters would last, Cattermole is averaging just over one a season. Part of the point I was trying to make was that the likes of Setters got the entire team motivated or else! I definitely buy the motivation argument, much lacking in the team now so many of our old pros have moved on & Shawcross doesn't do it. I'm not against us signing Cattermole, I think I'd enjoy seeing him in a Stoke team. What I'm against in this rumour is the fee - way too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 22:26:07 GMT
I remember Maurice Setters. Many a time, he came off the old Vic, and you couldn't see the colour of his kit. Covered in mud most of the time. When he headed the ball, it was like his head was on a spring. True warrior!
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Post by Ayupshag on Jan 21, 2014 22:30:24 GMT
He's a complete fuckin tit. Liability is too mild a word for the lunatic
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Post by cartman123 on Jan 21, 2014 22:31:03 GMT
So we've now resorted to buying from relegation fodder? I give up. We need goals!!
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Post by march4 on Jan 21, 2014 22:36:05 GMT
If Assaidi chickened out of a challenge with Cattermole in the side then he wouldn't get out of the dressing room after the game without suffering grievous bodily harm.
Perhaps some of our players do need someone around the place with a more aggressive attitude.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 21, 2014 22:36:17 GMT
So we've now resorted to buying from relegation fodder? I give up. We need goals!! to be fair, we need to score more goals than we let in. part of the cure has to be stopping letting goals in. If you want to attack you need to be secure in defence.
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Post by keasie1863 on Jan 21, 2014 22:38:16 GMT
if we sign that cunt,i'm fucking off up the vale.... will we give him a suspension bonus every ten games,he's utter wank and loathsome.. scraping the fecking barrel comes to mind..... Ta ra
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